DarthSomething Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 The previews we've seen show how powerful the Secret Apprentice is... could he as powerful, or even stronger, than Revan? That had me wondering because some of Mace Windu's comments in AOTC seem to imply that the Jedi are no longer as powerful as they were in Revan's time, but the Secret Apprentice is apparently strong enough to make a Star Destroyer crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Hmm, that would be a good comparison. I think in the end Revan would win. He has much more experience with the Force and was a Sith Lord after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Comparing a freaking apprentice with Revan is pointless IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I think Revan was a combination of several dangerous talents. Charisma, Force power, Intelligence. It's the combination of these that makes him strong. The Charisma to form an army around him, the intelligence to lead them to victory and use them wisely combined with his power that makes him a frontline leader as well. The complete picture. The Apprentice, on the other hand, is a social idiot (the "Force Wrecking Ball vid" shows he can't have proper contact with Juno and asks his droid to talk to her). His Intelligence seems limited as well, since he requires orders to handle. From Darth Vader, Kotha, whoever. He seems to have no will of his own. This is hinted as well on the site, where he is described to have been 'indoctrined' by Vader. He makes this up with his pure Force Power though. So stronger in total image? Hell no. In terms of absolute power or midi-clorians? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmc Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 He is the secret APPRENTICE, revan was a master. Most likely the apprentice will become one of the greatest siths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 He is the secret APPRENTICE, revan was a master. Most likely the apprentice will become one of the greatest siths. Not likely, but he may have converted someone to Sithdom though, knowingly or not. I would so wish to see him fighting tuskens on Tatooine, and got his behind whipped by the tribal warlord with a hockey stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish.Stapler Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I would chalk the star destroyer and Revan observations more to the limitations of the KotOR engine in comparison with the one powering TFU. Could he have done it?? Maybe, who knows...I'm going with Revan being stronger based on his various exploits and time as a force user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The placing of Revan on the highest pedestal strikes me as a bit of fankwankerage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmc Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Darth plaguous (or however it is spelled) was the most powerful sith in my opinion. Making life with midi-chlorians is just amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSerion Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I belive Revan is the stronger. He knew both sides of the Force thorougly, laid down the basics of the Rule of Two, recorded the ritual of the Thought Bomb, conqered the galaxy almost without effort... The only two Dark Lords I could compare him with are Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. Of course, IF Sidious would train the Apprentice instead of Vader, he would have some chance at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 This Apprentice doesn't even officially exist yet, or at least the game isn't released yet. Revan has earned his stripes and is a fan favorite. Besides, as said before it's a different game engine and is a lot more far fetched than Kotor, so imo there incomparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jvstice Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Actually, maybe the apprentice is not more powerful as such, just more versatile in how he uses what power he has. We never heard anything about Revan combining force powers, but it was said that in total power he was "the heart of the force." Sort of the difference between being able to lift and throw a two ton car in a general direction and hope for the best, vs carefully targetting with a 1 ton car. Which is better, strength or precision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSerion Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Precision, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Precision. But now we maybe talking about throwing a 1 ton car with Precision, or throwing the whole parking lot in a general direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish.Stapler Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 The placing of Revan on the highest pedestal strikes me as a bit of fankwankerage... I know I'm guilty of a little bit of it. Actually probably a lot of it, I find it hard to swallow the cannoniacal superiority of Vader and Palpatine since even with the limited game engine of KotOR it always seemed like Revan did more to me. Now the question is could he have done what the apprentice does if the limitations of the KotOR engine were removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soogz Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I think Revan would win because of the time period that he/she was in. More Jedi, and more Sith. Plus the higher knoledge of the force and the training was obviously better. Plus he/she practically became a Sith Lord on their own. I will take Revan over the secret apprentice anyday, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I belive Revan is the stronger. He knew both sides of the Force thorougly, laid down the basics of the Rule of Two, recorded the ritual of the Thought Bomb, conqered the galaxy almost without effort... The only two Dark Lords I could compare him with are Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. Of course, IF Sidious would train the Apprentice instead of Vader, he would have some chance at least.I'm not sure he did all this... I know I'm guilty of a little bit of it. Actually probably a lot of it, I find it hard to swallow the cannoniacal superiority of Vader and Palpatine since even with the limited game engine of KotOR it always seemed like Revan did more to me. Now the question is could he have done what the apprentice does if the limitations of the KotOR engine were removedBut remember, a lot of what you can do in gameplay is just that. Gameplay itself is not canon, only the story elements are. So when comparing, you have to compare what Revan did story-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSerion Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Why are you not sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jvstice Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Also, it would depend on the nature of a conflict between them I would think. Would Revan have the time to plan out strategic attacks, or would it be a direct confrontation between the two, combat force powers and light sabers only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDoe 2.0 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Well, there are LEGENDARY Force Users then there are ABOVE MASTER LEVEL BUT NOT LEGENDARY Force Users , I would consider Revan Legendary and the Apprentice a very gifted yet not legendary level individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploorvan Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Darth Vader had the most "potential" power, he would have been more powerful than anyone had he not gotten his arms and legs chopped off and put in a cast iron suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkiraSWKotOR Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 The Strongest Sith in the Universe is Marka Ragnos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jvstice Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Anakin had the most potential power before he got chopped up. But Force power = # of midichlorians in cells. He lost at least half his body mass when he became Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSerion Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 It's not only about potential, it's about how well you can control it as well. For example, Anakin as Vader was more powerful, because his Master taught him how to perfectly control every bit of his remained skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Anakin had the most potential power before he got chopped up. But Force power = # of midichlorians in cells. He lost at least half his body mass when he became Vader. Well, its more to it than body mass. I mean, its not like a hutt being a great jedi cause of body mass, or yoda being a weak one. And Secura definitely don't become a good jedi cause of her phat TnA only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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