Henz Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 ...Well would you put it past Mr. Lucas? I'd honestly be fine with it. I was a kid when the original special editions emerged and then I loved the changes. I'm a vocal supporter of tweaking the Ben vs. Darth Vader fight in Episode 4, because personally I think it's the only thing in the original trilogy that has dated badly and makes no sense against Ep 3. There could be alternate versions of the new films to sit beside the originals for a (at least) 12 disc boxset, comprising 2 versions of all six films. I know there was stuff about making Episode 1 Yoda CGI. I'd like to see the Padme scenes reinstated into Episode 2 & 3 to add more depth to her character. Do you think Special Editions for the Prequel trilogy will happen? What do you think of the idea? What would you like to see changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I'm not sure about a special edition, as each of the new trilogy's DVDs have tons of bonus stuff anyway, but I would awfully like to be able to watch Episodes II and III with the deleted scenes in it - that's the only thing I have against Lucas - I love the prequels as much as I love the old trilogy - but some of those scenes (especially those in III) were really quite important to the general back story. Other film companies put the deleted material into their films - LOTR is a prime example. And a CGI Yoda in TPM would be excellent - that puppet they used didn't look a thing like Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 This isn't really possible now but, I watched AOTC last night (My fav of the PT) and the re-shoots involving Anakin and Especially Obi-Wan are so BAD, Ewan has put on about 20lbs and is clean shaven so he looks like a fat werewolf in the re-shoots, Hayden is also a year older and has put on a lot of muscle... it's very obvious But apart from that I can't see any thing GL would do atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobKenobi Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I agree to the main idea of a prequel trilogy special edition. They should take the prequel trilogy, cutt off all the cgi and digital FX scenes and replace it with stop motion and plastic masks like they did on the older trilogy. furthermore they should ban that hi-end quality film material on celluloid and let it age artificially. then it's gonna fit to the old trilogy. I hate the special edition. (The analog film fx and stop/go-motion methods are the one of the main reasons why the star wars movies are so good)*imho greetings bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I agree to the main idea of a prequel trilogy special edition. They should take the prequel trilogy, cutt off all the cgi and digital FX scenes and replace it with stop motion and plastic masks like they did on the older trilogy. furthermore they should ban that hi-end quality film material on celluloid and let it age artificially. then it's gonna fit to the old trilogy. I hate the special edition. (The analog film fx and stop/go-motion methods are the one of the main reasons why the star wars movies are so good)*imho greetings bob So basically, you want GL to jump back in time 33 years? And spend 5 or so years reshooting the entire trilogy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 Technology ftw! Duel of the Fates > Original Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Lucas is Lucas. He likes to tweak and fiddle and adjust and smudge and alter until there's virtually nothing left of the original material. I Imagine we'll be "treated" to a special edition of the prequel trilogy some years down the road, but not before he's finished bastardizing the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 lol, have a little faith in Georgey boy...I think he made the prequels to his liking...I doubt we'll see any special edition of them ever...besides...I don't think the "special editions" were so bad anyway...I don't think it really affects the movie in a negative way...people just like to complain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpentine Cougar Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I'm actually kind of waiting for some sort of 'boxed' set containing the whole series, all 6 of 'em. Whatever changes George wants to make are fine with me, though I don't think the changes would make it that much better (or worse) than it already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted April 11, 2008 Author Share Posted April 11, 2008 I hope Lucas is inclined to tweak at least once more to fix the colours of the lightsabers in the original trilogy. They're all over the bloody place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 The prequel trilogy will eventually get a special editon, just probably not for another 5-20 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 lol, have a little faith in Georgey boy...I think he made the prequels to his liking...I doubt we'll see any special edition of them ever...besides...I don't think the "special editions" were so bad anyway...I don't think it really affects the movie in a negative way...people just like to complain... I'm sure that once upon a time people were saying the same thing about the original version of the "classic" trilogy. And the '97 special edition. And the '04 special edition. Have people actually forgotten that changes were made for the DVD release of The Phantom Menace? He's already tweaked the ruddy film once, and him being Lucas he's likely to do it again. He does have something of a history, y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I'm actually kind of waiting for some sort of 'boxed' set containing the whole series, all 6 of 'em. Whatever changes George wants to make are fine with me, though I don't think the changes would make it that much better (or worse) than it already is. Never never nderestimate GL's ability to ruin the OT/PT with new tweaks, ever. But I dare not imagine things worse than Han shooting last. Maybe they will replace Vader's voice with some canadian accent, or unify all the looks/voices of stormies, or turn lando white... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 turn lando white... lol, he'd get sent in to exile, it would be acceptable to turn Luke Black though... j/k I wouldn't mind him re-cutting some of the cut content back into ROTS. and correcting all the saber goofs (Wrong colors and hilts etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Dub over Vader's voice with that of Bill Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Seriously, even if he did make a "special edition," I'd buy them because every change he's made has been for the better....especially since it's his vision, and it can be made to follow it however he wants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Seriously, even if he did make a "special edition," I'd buy them because every change he's made has been for the better....especially since it's his vision, and it can be made to follow it however he wants... Wow. Salmon'd for hideous inaccuracy. Lucas made tons of wholly unnecessary changes. Take A New Hope for instance - making Mos Eisley look busier than it had been in the original, for instance, was a bad move - the entire Mos Eisley sequence looks much better in the original version of the film where it seems much less of a cliched scifi bustling metropolis and more of a one-horse town, which is not really the sort of thing that had been done before in American cinematic scifi. And lest we forget the whole "Han Shot First" debacle... There are a lot of really nice touches, mind. Improving the look of the Landspeeder hovering was a very nice touch, and the CG ships look incredible. There's a lot of generally nice clean-up work which makes the film flow better, but it's the unnecessary changes that largely irritate the "purists" (and, for the record, I'm not one of them). Stuff like insert Hayden Christensen into the end of Return of the Jedi is just... we don't need it. It was fine as it was. But Lucas has to keep adjusting and tweaking and changing, and he's turned an accidental masterpiece into generic pulp scifi. The Prequel Trilogy is the embodiment of this. There are some good ideas in Episodes I and II, but Tim Bisley was right when he described The Phantom Menace as a "jumped-up firework display of a toy advert." Attack of the Silly Name was equally cack but for entirely different reasons - it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the highlight of the prequel trilogy but it's hampered by some exceptionally poor dialogue (even still, I rate it better than Return of the Jedi, which is really when things started to go wrong with the Star Wars franchise). These are observations I've made as a casual fan. Star Wars never resonated with me the way it did with others because it was in many ways before my time (I was born in '86). However, Lucas will continue to work on the films - all six of them. He'll keep finding things he doesn't like with them. And fans far more passionate than I will become more and more enraged with the decisions he makes. One day, many years from now, someone's going to remake the original trilogy from scratch without any of Lucas' input. Hopefully it'll be someone with more clarity of vision than Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Wow. Salmon'd for hideous inaccuracy. Lucas made tons of wholly unnecessary changes. Take A New Hope for instance - making Mos Eisley look busier than it had been in the original, for instance, was a bad move - the entire Mos Eisley sequence looks much better in the original version of the film where it seems much less of a cliched scifi bustling metropolis and more of a one-horse town, which is not really the sort of thing that had been done before in American cinematic scifi. And lest we forget the whole "Han Shot First" debacle... There are a lot of really nice touches, mind. Improving the look of the Landspeeder hovering was a very nice touch, and the CG ships look incredible. There's a lot of generally nice clean-up work which makes the film flow better, but it's the unnecessary changes that largely irritate the "purists" (and, for the record, I'm not one of them). Stuff like insert Hayden Christensen into the end of Return of the Jedi is just... we don't need it. It was fine as it was. But Lucas has to keep adjusting and tweaking and changing, and he's turned an accidental masterpiece into generic pulp scifi. The Prequel Trilogy is the embodiment of this. There are some good ideas in Episodes I and II, but Tim Bisley was right when he described The Phantom Menace as a "jumped-up firework display of a toy advert." Attack of the Silly Name was equally cack but for entirely different reasons - it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the highlight of the prequel trilogy but it's hampered by some exceptionally poor dialogue (even still, I rate it better than Return of the Jedi, which is really when things started to go wrong with the Star Wars franchise). These are observations I've made as a casual fan. Star Wars never resonated with me the way it did with others because it was in many ways before my time (I was born in '86). However, Lucas will continue to work on the films - all six of them. He'll keep finding things he doesn't like with them. And fans far more passionate than I will become more and more enraged with the decisions he makes. One day, many years from now, someone's going to remake the original trilogy from scratch without any of Lucas' input. Hopefully it'll be someone with more clarity of vision than Lucas. I think you missed urluckyday's point. His point, and one which I wholly agree with, is that it's George Lucas' universe - he can do what he likes - he created it, built it from the ground up - pretty much on his own. hell, he even set up a special effects company just to bring it to life. it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making.[/Quote] How do you know what sort of film he was supposed to be making? As I've said, he makes them in accordance with his views - no one elses. Now, I know what you said is just your opinion, but I don't like it when people complain about something like this. George Lucas hasn't done anything 'wrong', he's done the way he wants. But, to anyone out there who still feels George Lucas is wrong, I say this to you: YOU GO MAKE A MASSIVELY POPULAR SCI FI SAGA AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MEET UNNECISSARILY HIGH EXPECTATIONS! Sorry, didn't mean to rant there, just wanted to get that off my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Nice going Astor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 But, to anyone out there who still feels George Lucas is wrong, I say this to you: YOU GO MAKE A MASSIVELY POPULAR SCI FI SAGA AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MEET UNNECISSARILY HIGH EXPECTATIONS! Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, but I really hate this argument. It falls flat on its face. You do not have to be a musician to appreciate good music, you do not have to be an artist to recognise a great work of art, and you do not have to be a filmmaker to see the glaring flaws in the Special Edition Trilogies. Yes, Lucas does have the right to go back and adjust his films again and again and again and again, and no doubt he will continue to do so until his arms fall off. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could go back and tweak every single page of Jump Leads so that each page features an excess of Service Robots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, but I really hate this argument. It falls flat on its face. You do not have to be a musician to appreciate good music, you do not have to be an artist to recognise a great work of art, and you do not have to be a filmmaker to see the glaring flaws in the Special Edition Trilogies.[/Quote] I understand your point. I was trying to illustrate, both that it is no doubt immensely hard to create something that would be so popular that it would last 30 years, and that you can't please everyone - there will always be someone who won't like something. Yes, he added some things to the films that weren't there originally, and some weren't so great - they didn't mesh properly, but, they were part of Lucas' original vision - but technology constraints prevented them from being done in 1977. Yes, Lucas does have the right to go back and adjust his films again and again and again and again, and no doubt he will continue to do so until his arms fall off. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could go back and tweak every single page of Jump Leads so that each page features an excess of Service Robots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. This is where it starts to get hazy - matter like that depend on the point of the view of the person who does it - It may not be a good idea to a spectator, but it might be a good idea to the person who does it - it's mostly down to personal opinion, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexrd Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Here's what I would like George Lucas to change on a possible six film box set release: Episode I - The Phantom Menace: - Remasterize the film to get a better quality image, like the next 5 films on DVD. Episode IV - A New Hope: - Change the blockade runner explosion at the beginning - Change the lightsaber clashing on the Kenobi vs Vader Duel - Luke's lightsaber colour inside the Falcon - Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI (some look like cartoon and others don't have the with core like the one's from the prequel) - Change all Death Star battle sequence including ships and all to CGI - Change cantina's aliens facial expression Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back - Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI - Change some explosions to look more real - Change Luke's lightsaber in some scenes to have the white core and the Vader's one to look more red rather than pink. - Change the falcon's pursuit to CGI - Yoda on CGI Episode VI - Return of the Jedi - Change Jabba to CGI - Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI - Change the space battle sequence to CGI - Put facial expressions on Ewoks - Change Luke and Vader's lightsabers (Luke's less shiny, Vader's less pink and both with the white core) - Change the speeder chase sequence to get more realistic - Yoda on CGI And that's all. I hope GL release it with these changes. Maybe many of you may not agree with them but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 change the death star battle to CGI....you traitor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 CG Ep 5 Yoda too? *shakes head* Fits Astor's point that you can't please everybody though. The only change Lucas has made so far that I didn't get was Greedo shooting first.... makes no sense... but meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The only change Lucas has made so far that I didn't get was Greedo shooting first... why did he do that anyway???I guess we'll never know.... or will we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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