Barack Obama's radical associations including terrorists

[GarfieldJL]

 

@Garfield--I know he's found sources for Ayers. However, in 23 months you'd figure he'd be able to at least find a different adjective now and then.

 

Jae, he's paired up with a Liberal that is in denial that Obama was even associated with Bill Ayers.

 

Anyways this is just 1 of 3 bad associations that I've heard of that begin with the letter "A". I haven't even gotten started about the others.

[ET Warrior]

Just the facts, then

[Achilles]

Now that McCain is

on his own rhetoric, I wonder if his advocates will begin doing the same.

[True_Avery]

Now that McCain is

on his own rhetoric, I wonder if his advocates will begin doing the same.

There is the McCain I used to have respect for.

 

Its amazing what a presidential campaign and pressure from the far side of your party can do to you. Personally, I feel sorry for both of them, as I think they are both pretty respectable men for Presidential candidates.

[KinchyB]

Now that McCain is

on his own rhetoric, I wonder if his advocates will begin doing the same.

 

Doubtful...they tend to cling to whatever hope, smear, or lie that they can. No matter how many holes are in the story or leaps of faith need to be taken they are there and willing. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the process is... create a fabricated story... give it to our friends at fox news... let the people run with it.

 

Oh well, moot point now. I can already see the celebration shots as Obama is announced the next pres of the U.S.!!

[Achilles]

We'll see. It will be easier for me to believe that this isn't just another political stunt if the attack ads start coming down as well. And at that point I'll believe the campaign is truly over (because there is no way McCain is going to make up months worth of ground on the issues in a few weeks).

[Yar-El]

Election history has also shown another side. Michael Ducacus looked great on television, and the media was in complete love with the guy. Everything seemed to be going in his direction, but the majority ended up voting for George Bush. Polls and media groups could end up having this whole thing backwards.

[Adavardes]

Quite frankly, this is a non-issue. Use your common sense, people. Obama may have known a domestic terrorist more than an aquaintence. I'm not going to say that is an absolute fact, because there's no proof supporting that the Obamas and the Ayers have been to family picnics together, but even if they have, this is meaningless tripe thrown out to distract voters from the real issues.

 

I have a lot of friends that are conservatives. Do I agree with them? No. Do I share their views? No. Do I think they couldn't be more erroneous on more than one occasion? Absolutely. But they're still my friends. It's the same thing with this Obama's church nonsense. There's something called separation of church and state, where religion should never hold leighway over a decision for the good of the people due to freedom of religion. To be a good leader, the president has to be unbiased, so as to best represent the whole of the United State citizenship. And Obama, to me, is intelligent enough to see that. McCain supporters have called him elitist before for being smarter than them, so clearly, they think he's pretty intelligent too.

 

Obama's policies in no way reflect this domestic terrorist's political views. To me, that's enough for me to say "shut your cakeholes" to all those republican voters out there, because you cannot pin a person down to his associates. Obama is not a terrorist, now let's get over it, move on, and focus on policy. Or perhaps the whole stock market going down the ****ter thing. Let's try to fix that, mmk?

[Jeff]

Now that McCain is

on his own rhetoric, I wonder if his advocates will begin doing the same.

I respect him a lot for doing this. His campaign has been nothing but attacking Obama instead of promoting himself recently. It is pretty much over for McCain so it is good to see he can at least respect his opponent.

[Achilles]

I wish I could agree with this sentiment. He proclaimed quite vocally that he was going to run a respectful campaign and then didn't. Call me cynical, but I believe that the only reason we're seeing this now is that his internal polling numbers indicated that his MO was backfiring. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to lie and then turn around and lie about lying. His own commentary shows that this wasn't some case of the campaign underlings hijacking his good name. So again, I consider this to be nothing more than a political stunt and I'll have a better indication of how far he's going to take it when I see the negative TV ads come down. Because right now all I hear are words.

[Jeff]

That is true, and I agree that overall his campaign was definitely much more attacking than it was telling how good he is. I guess just because he said all that at a rally where it wasn't part of a speech and was directly responding to the crowd on the spot makes me think it was sincere. Or even if it wasn't, he made it appear to be and I'm sure that's hard enough.

[Jae Onasi]

Expecting the candidates to always say something positive about the other isn't going to happen and is unrealistic. Obama's said his share of negative things, too--all the candidates do it because it's proven effective with voters. How McCain said what he said when defending Obama, along with the words he used and his body language indicate to me that he was sincere. You can argue that McCain was just acting, but I think that's ascribing negative motives where there are none.

[El Sitherino]

I wish I could agree with this sentiment. He proclaimed quite vocally that he was going to run a respectful campaign and then didn't. Call me cynical, but I believe that the only reason we're seeing this now is that his internal polling numbers indicated that his MO was backfiring. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to lie and then turn around and lie about lying. His own commentary shows that this wasn't some case of the campaign underlings hijacking his good name. So again, I consider this to be nothing more than a political stunt and I'll have a better indication of how far he's going to take it when I see the negative TV ads come down. Because right now all I hear are words.

 

I dunno, after seeing him practically snatch that mic out of that crazed woman's hands I'd say he had a moment of sincerity and we got to see a bit of the real McCain.

 

It's only too bad we couldn't see this McCain the whole time, he used to be a very respectable and honorable man. Granted he is a politician, but even on that standard he was a generally decent individual within this stance.

[Yar-El]

Obama's policies in no way reflect this domestic terrorist's political views. To me, that's enough for me to say "shut your cakeholes" to all those republican voters out there, because you cannot pin a person down to his associates. Obama is not a terrorist, now let's get over it, move on, and focus on policy. Or perhaps the whole stock market going down the ****ter thing. Let's try to fix that, mmk?

I ended up reporting this post, but none of the moderators (or super moderators) seem to care. We have an issue of bias thread moderation, and this is an example of such an act. I wanted this to be dealt with in private, but all the reports have gone on without notice. I just saw four moderators walk into this thread, (plus they read the report), and all they did was walk away. You people had an opportunity to show that your adults, and you ended up leaving this post without comment.

 

We're not on 24/7. I haven't even seen the report so I haven't had a chance to address it, and I have had limited internet access while at work. I've been working the last 3 days and have other family responsibilities, as do the other moderators here. Please give us some _time_ to address it before accusing us of bias--a few hours isn't always long enough. In addition, we may not always agree with what someone reports--if you have an issue like this you need to bring it up in feedback or in the other thread we have on moderation instead of derailing this thread with that. --Jae

 

Adavardes, I welcome you to the forums. I have never met you before, and I'm glad you have joined up with us. Blasting out one paticular group is pretty harsh. Republicans and Democrats both have issues. Is Obama guilty of association? Yes. Is Obama guilty of anything more, such as full involvement? We haven't seen any evidence at the moment; however, there is also no evidence to contradict such assumptions. Obama does have a history of being involved with individuals of questionable background. McCain also has some ghosts under the bed. Obama's affiliations are very much important. Why? We need to understand the man behind the slogons and bright lights.

 

We have to prevent this from happening here: Religion in Nazi Germany. We could very well be talking about McCain in this same manner, but we already know about his beliefs and connections. Understanding Obama's connections is just as important. I want to respect the guy, but I can't do so while I know nothing about him. Obama's experiences are limited, so we don't have a full political resume. It is very important to know about both canadates, so that our future is filled with freedom, security, and prosperity for all.

 

What beliefs did Obama take with him from learning Islam?

What beliefs did he adapt from Christianity?

What is his connection to radical movements that agree with Rev. Wright?

What is his connection to ACORN, did he do other things beside being a lawyer?

Did he also share in the activities of Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers?

How much of an impact did his father and step father have on his life?

Who is this man?

 

I know he has information everywhere, but who is the real Borrack Obama? Barry Obama?

[El Sitherino]

If you disagree with what someone feels something makes them feel like saying, then debate them. There was no direct reference that the statement was directed at any and all republicans. I gathered from it the poster was speaking more about those people at the rallies calling Obama a terrorist

Which you Yar-El have not yet done. Ergo, you're not included in the party that should "Shut it's cakeholes"

 

 

PS: Please do not remove a moderators edit.

[Yar-El]

PS: Please do not remove a moderators edit.

What do you mean? I didn't see any notes. I would have left them there.

 

Nevermind, Jae just edited the post.

[True_Avery]

I ended up reporting this post, but none of the moderators (or super moderators) seem to care.

The mods have their hands full with the BS Kavars has been spilling out lately due to this election.

 

How about everyone takes a chill pill on all of this bias finger pointing and just let things go? They are moderators, but they aren't omnipresent and if they did their job to the 100% mark they would have closed most of these threads. Be glad you all are even still allowed to keep debating the election after how many warnings have already been given out.

 

Its election season. People are going to get riled up, and there isn't a lot everyone can do about that. The mods, for the most part, seem to be coming in here and debating with you. Instead of treating them like some kind of dictator, why don't you all treat them like any other member debating you? You all seem to take the fact they are moderators to mean they are that much easier to attack for expressing their opinion.

 

If someones comment bothers you, report it and move on. If it doesn't get attended to in due time, then ignore the poster and keep discussing with the people willing to have a mature debate with you.

 

Sure, he threw sand at you. You could throw sand back, run to the teacher, or just walk away and find a new person to play with.

 

And this isn't directed at you, conservatives, liberals, rights, lefts, or any of the other silly labels that are being thrown around.

 

This is to everyone here...

 

Please, take a break and chill out. Kavars is turning less and less into "friendly debate" and more and more into the Senate.

[Yar-El]

Sorry for my outburst earlier. Its not like me to just become so vocal. I will just have to disagree to agree. You people are still nice folks. I just wish there wasn't such a loud liberal group here.

 

Yar

[GarfieldJL]

Its election season. People are going to get riled up, and there isn't a lot everyone can do about that. The mods, for the most part, seem to be coming in here and debating with you. Instead of treating them like some kind of dictator, why don't you all treat them like any other member debating you? You all seem to take the fact they are moderators to mean they are that much easier to attack for expressing their opinion.

 

This is far worse than a typical election, to give you a little straight talk this election could determine whether we get to keep our rights. Obama is tied to some pretty scary people and groups, all of them radicals. Heck they are also interconnected and at least one group is well known for committing voter fraud.

 

He is also not only associated with, but has worked with at least 2 unrepentent terrorists.

 

Burnadean Dorn (sp?) ring any bells, that's Bill Ayers' wife.

 

Seriously, Senator Obama's connections are extremely scary, and for me a Republican whom can't stand Hillary Clinton to rather have her in the White House is saying quite a bit.

[True_Avery]

This is far worse than a typical election, to give you a little straight talk this election could determine whether we get to keep our rights. Obama is tied to some pretty scary people and groups, all of them radicals. Heck they are also interconnected and at least one group is well known for committing voter fraud.

 

He is also not only associated with, but has worked with at least 2 unrepentent terrorists.

 

Burnadean Dorn (sp?) ring any bells, that's Bill Ayers' wife.

 

Seriously, Senator Obama's connections are extremely scary, and for me a Republican whom can't stand Hillary Clinton to rather have her in the White House is saying quite a bit.

Well, I'd like to see any president try to take a shovel to our privileges as Americans. They often don't get anywhere near as much done as they would have hoped, regardless of affiliation.

 

Now, like Obama, I find McCain to be a respectable man. I may not agree with most of what he has to say, but I think he, like Obama, are patriots on different parts of the patriot grid.

 

I'm not going to say that an unpatriotic person wants to run for President of the United States. I think you need to be patriotic to this country in order to do so, but many people have different ideas on how this country can be better or worse, thus we have the elections.

 

Some think the country is nearly perfect the way it is. There you have the "conservatives". Then you have those that see a brighter and brighter future, the "leftists". Both want the best for the country, but they are two fundamentally different views of "change".

 

There you have Obama and McCain. Now, as individuals, I find them to be respectable, patriotic men. However, their affiliations have something to be questioned as anyone would and should.

 

Sure, Obama knows a former terrorist. A radical. And I agree that the affiliation is something to be questioned.

 

McCain has the Keating Five Scandal on his hands, as well as Sarah Palin.

 

Keating bombed some stuff in his own view of how to make America better. He screwed up a lot, but seems to have calmed down in the last 30 years. Age tends to do that to someone. Not saying he's a great guy, as I have not met him, but more pointing out what I know about him. His actions and the deaths caused by them are hard to excuse.

 

Then you have Sarah Palin, a woman I have problems with. She would be the main reason I can't vote for McCain even if he is a pretty good guy. She seem to have been a promotional choice to pull in voters, and that is a questionable move. I have a few problems with her stances and actions, like charging women for rape kits, her desire to take a number of endangered animals off the list, her seemingly complete uninterested with alternate fuel sources (some speculate its because she has strong ties to the oil groups in Aslaska) and other such things as well as he disturbing lack of experience. Now, she could turn out to be far more experienced than we believe, I'm not going to deny that.

 

But, I am disturbed by anyone that calls the person they are running against a terrorist and riles up a crowd of supporters to the point they are yelling obscenities and crying out things like "kill obama" "terrorist" "deport him". I am just as disturbed, if not more, with than as I am with Obama's relationship with a former large scale bomber extremist. Wishing harm upon the other candidate is sickening and degrading to this country. Mud racking is to be expected... but come on. This is getting out of hand on both sides.

 

Not a fan of radicals on either side of the board, and both have affiliated themselves with both. Although, on the other hand, it could be said that doing thus is really the only way to pull in multiple voting groups.

 

Or, as some call it, selling out to your party. Which I believe both have. Hell, is it possible for most candidates to not sell out to some degree?

 

No, I don't think either will destroy our rights. Obama isn't Hitler, and I don't exactly understand why you fear he is going to bring about the end of days for America. Personally, I find that to be an extreme stance on things from one side of the board looking upon another, as they are just as afraid of you as you are of them.

 

But, gotta have the extremes. Without them, there is nowhere for the people in the middle to look towards. Not people on the ropes, but rather people like me that would rather look through both sides and decide from there.

 

Obama wont take your rights, don't worry. I'm not worried that Palin or McCain will take away mine, as I look more towards things like voters, the constitution and so on to make those choices.

 

Remember, they can only do as much as we allow them. They take away our rights and turn our country into Russia, you are to blame my friend. I am to blame. That guy over there is to blame.

 

The thing about Nazi Germany was, a charismatic leader convinced the people to give their rights up. Ripping rights away from people is a difficult task, but convincing the people to give them up has been done many a time before.

 

Trust me, when this country is willing to let someone take an axe to their rights... the people will be there to put the pieces into the wood chipper. Until then, I believe we'll hold as strong as we always have.

 

And this is like pretty much every other election, make no mistake. The people on both sides accuse the other of scandle and fraud. The people on both sides fear the other side, and fear for their rights. When they get into office, one side hope he will do well while the other pray that America wont become Russia or something.

 

We've been through 43 presidents and we're still America, and in nearly ever election paranoia from both sides was rampant.

 

And, if you fear any of them, than this country already is in major trouble. People and not supposed to be afraid of their government. The government is supposed to be afraid of its people. When you fear them, they've won regardless of who makes it into office.

 

And that is all for now.

[Rogue Nine]

This is far worse than a typical election, to give you a little straight talk this election could determine whether we get to keep our rights. Obama is tied to some pretty scary people and groups, all of them radicals. Heck they are also interconnected and at least one group is well known for committing voter fraud.

And now McCain is tied to someone who abused her power as executive of a state. Hmmm...

 

He is also not only associated with, but has worked with at least 2 unrepentent terrorists.

 

Burnadean Dorn (sp?) ring any bells, that's Bill Ayers' wife.

What did he work with them on? A plan on how to bomb government buildings? A class on how to screw over America?

 

Seriously, Senator Obama's connections are extremely scary, and for me a Republican whom can't stand Hillary Clinton to rather have her in the White House is saying quite a bit.

John McCain said that people 'do not have to fear Obama as President of the United States' because he is a 'decent man'. If he's so tied to a terrorist and fraudulent organizations, then why isn't John McCain himself afraid of Obama winning the Presidency?

[GarfieldJL]

And now McCain is tied to someone who abused her power as executive of a state. Hmmm...

 

We're going from a report whom the head of the investigation is a member of the Obama campaign, and a bunch of people that have a grudge against her, this report arguably could be overturned because the people on it had an ax to grind.

 

What did he work with them on? A plan on how to bomb government buildings? A class on how to screw over America?

Trying to radicalize Chicago's youth for starters, funnelling money to ACORN, etc.

 

John McCain said that people 'do not have to fear Obama as President of the United States' because he is a 'decent man'. If he's so tied to a terrorist and fraudulent organizations, then why isn't John McCain himself afraid of Obama winning the Presidency?

 

Who said he isn't, John McCain though promised to be respectful, and he's keeping to his word even though Obama isn't and he needs to get tougher. And if John McCain were in front of me right now I'd tell it to his face that every American should be afraid, I've done my own research. And thus far my research tilts toward the accusations concerning Obama being accurate.

[Rogue Nine]

We're going from a report whom the head of the investigation is a member of the Obama campaign, and a bunch of people that have a grudge against her, this report arguably could be overturned because the people on it had an ax to grind.

Please show me where Sen. French is a member of the Obama campaign. Thanks.

 

Trying to radicalize Chicago's youth for starters, funnelling money to ACORN, etc.

Sources, please.

 

Who said he isn't, John McCain though promised to be respectful, and he's keeping to his word even though Obama isn't and he needs to get tougher. And if John McCain were in front of me right now I'd tell it to his face that every American should be afraid, I've done my own research. And thus far my research tilts toward the accusations concerning Obama being accurate.

Funny how McCain goes from attacking Obama's character to 'being respectful'. Why the 180-degree turn?

[GarfieldJL]

http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/09/09/troopergate-meet-the-investigators/

 

From an Obama Campaign Headquarters no less.

 

Funny how McCain goes from attacking Obama's character to 'being respectful'. Why the 180-degree turn?

He's trying to be respectful, that doesn't mean Governor Palin and some members of his campaign don't have other ideas. And personally I agree with Palin, because the associations are scary.

[Rogue Nine]

http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/09/09/troopergate-meet-the-investigators/

 

From an Obama Campaign Headquarters no less.

Thanks for the link. Please provide sources for your other assertion about ACORN and the radicalization of Chicagoan youth.

 

He's trying to be respectful, that doesn't mean Governor Palin and some members of his campaign don't have other ideas.

It's pretty bad strategy to be respectful and preach respect about your opponent and have your running mate take stabs at his character with wild accusations. Why aren't McCain and Palin on the same page here? Or are you saying they shouldn't be on the same page?