Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 We are going to find out soon. Our election is just around the corner.
Inyri Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 As I mentioned earlier, desperately grabbing at straws. This is just one more roadblock that Obama probably doesn't even have to overcome based on racist ideas that just because his middle name is Hussein he must be an Arab terrorist. >.>
El Sitherino Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I think we're all forgetting here that John McCain was born in Panama. See I was hoping I wasn't the only one to remember that.
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 All of his alias names and backgrounds are going to be examined; thus, they will be doing an extensive examination. Names utilized by Obama include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
jrrtoken Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 All of his alias names and backgrounds are going to be examined; thus, they will be doing an extensive examination. Names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.... I don't see your proof...
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 ... I don't see your proof... I'm not going to hide the bias on this piece; however, I will use it as a reference source. Article- Was Obama born in Kenya? It does not dismiss the lawsuit. Its does examine the claims more in depth. This may be a third lawsuit.
Inyri Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Berg's suit is pointless. He admits that Obama did provide documents and he just didn't like them, then immediately turned around and said he refused to provide documents. I think those two things are mutually exclusive. Also his argument that Indonesia did not support dual citizenship has no impact on the policies of the United States. If you are born here you are a citizen, no questions asks, unless you renounce that citizenship. Since he was born in Honolulu, he is a citizen. I also like the reference to Islam, which is irrelevant. Obviously he is a bigot.
mimartin Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I think we're all forgetting here that John McCain was born in Panama. Don't let facts stand in the way of a good smear. We are going to find out soon. Our election is just around the corner.We already know. You can see for yourself. This was low when the Bush campaign did it to McCain and it is low today. All of his alias names and backgrounds are going to be examined; thus, they will be doing an extensive examination. Names utilized by Obama include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham. Point? You do realize that you too have a alas Yar-El? Everyone on the forum does. I had to fill out information for a federal license and we came up with about 17 of them for me. Nicknames, different spellings, abbreviations and usernames all count.
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 Berg's suit is pointless. He admits that Obama did provide documents and he just didn't like them, then immediately turned around and said he refused to provide documents. I think those two things are mutually exclusive. Also his argument that Indonesia did not support dual citizenship has no impact on the policies of the United States. If you are born here you are a citizen, no questions asks, unless you renounce that citizenship. Since he was born in Honolulu, he is a citizen. I also like the reference to Islam, which is irrelevant. Obviously he is a bigot. Because somone sees a fault in Obama it does not mean he or she is a bigot. I want to see the results of this myself; therefore, I will wait until evidence of either way is provided. Solid proof one way or the other. Digital papers can be doctored.
Inyri Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 So explain to me what Islam has to do with Obama's citizenship, then, and explain its relevance to the lawsuit.
El Sitherino Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 We must all be sure to remember that allegations and accusations are not proof, nor do they validate any stigma given to any person. Everyone, especially a respected US Senator, deserves the right to be innocent until proven guilty. I believe John McCain spent five years in Vietnam hell to uphold that right. Because somone sees a fault in Obama it does not mean he or she is a bigot. No but their behavior does show one's true colors, and these accusations are based on bigoted notions. Simply because he is a Democrat does not suddenly add validity to his claim, it's simply convenient for the Replublicans to latch on to since they want to make everything a matter of Red Vs. Blue.
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 We must all be sure to remember that allegations and accusations are not proof, nor do they validate any stigma given to any person. Everyone, especially a respected US Senator, deserves the right to be innocent until proven guilty. I believe John McCain spent five years in Vietnam hell to uphold that right. We will just have to wait and see if anything comes from the lawsuits.
mimartin Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 We must all be sure to remember that allegations and accusations are not proof, nor do they validate any stigma given to any person.[Written With Extreme Sarcasm] We also know there is no such thing as frivolous lawsuits. [/end Sarcasm] You can sue anyone for anything. Examples
El Sitherino Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 We will just have to wait and see if anything comes from the lawsuits. But while we're at it we should check to make sure everyone is a citizen. Oh me oh my let's all file civil suits requesting birth certificate and documents.
Inyri Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 But I don't have a lawyer. Couldn't I just say I'm a natural born citizen, since I am and all evidence points to the fact that I am? Oh wait, I must be lying.
DarthAve Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I'm pretty sure that the big wigs in Washington have seen all his paperwork. If he wasn't born in the US, they wouldn't have let him get this far, and spent all this money for nothing. Unless the US government works like a prank show.
jonathan7 Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Perhaps this is only me, but common sense would seem to dictate that if Obama had a skeleton like not qualifying to be president due to not being born in the US, he wouldn't of run for president figuring that he would be found out. I would also somewhat suspect that the democrat presidential running committee or whatever you guys stateside have, would of checked this little detail over before allowing Obama to run...
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 Its one of the highest offices in the United States. Why not provide solid paper work to show as proof? Anyone who doesn't have anything to hide would do so, right?
Yar-El Posted October 20, 2008 Author Posted October 20, 2008 How do we know if he did? We don't. This is a good time as any.
Inyri Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 It's a far more logical assumption that he did. Read this for an interesting and applicable philosophy.
True_Avery Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Perhaps this is only me, but common sense would seem to dictate that if Obama had a skeleton like not qualifying to be president due to not being born in the US, he wouldn't of run for president figuring that he would be found out. I would also somewhat suspect that the democrat presidential running committee or whatever you guys stateside have, would of checked this little detail over before allowing Obama to run... Thread over. Now, onto a new topic that actually has the possibility to be discussed: Why do we care what country our president's mom pushed him out in? Its always seemed like entirely unneeded nationalism. My dad was born in France, but then was moved here a month later and lived the rest of his life in the United States, yet I doubt he'd be allowed to run.
El Sitherino Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 He couldn't be the nominee of the Democratic party if he's not a national. As well, his birth certificate has been verified, him not showing it to some jackass in a court doesn't indicate any guilt.
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