Polls are at 50/50 for Election 2008

[GarfieldJL]

I'd like to point out that polls depend entirely on the people polled. This poll (or any other, for that matter) could have polled ten McCain supporters and nine Obama supporters, or vice versa. Polls give us a slight idea as to how people will vote, but only the final results will tell the truth. Every other (poll/information) can be skewed and twisted into plausible information.

 

Agreed, especially in 2008, polling data shouldn't be trusted at all in this election.

[Litofsky]

Agreed, especially in 2008, polling data shouldn't be trusted at all in this election.

 

The polls might not be a trustworthy source, but if donations, those who attended rallies, and did other acts to help their candidate, I'd say that we could predict a winner right now.

[GarfieldJL]

The polls might not be a trustworthy source, but if donations, those who attended rallies, and did other acts to help their candidate, I'd say that we could predict a winner right now.

 

Considering where the funds have been coming from I'd consider even that to be a poor way to judge.

 

Additionally, McCain can't receive more funds, he is stuck at 84 million, because he actually kept his word.

 

 

Anyways Obama has actually received money from foreign donors.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/palestinian-brothers-gaza-illegally-donate/story.aspx?guid=%7B93BFA031-8B91-4743-88CC-A11A1A1DC4A0%7D&dist=hppr

 

 

Additionally we're also looking at Identity Theft as well:

NORTH KANSAS CITY, MO. -- A North Kansas City couple has been left scratching their heads after they became the victims of a political scam.

 

Steve and Rachel Larman say a strange credit card charge appeared on their statement this month -- a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign. The Larman's say they don't want this to be about their political affiliation, but they say they're not about to give the Obama campaign any help from their pocketbook.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7599837&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Litofsky]

Considering where the funds have been coming from I'd consider even that to be a poor way to judge.

 

Additionally, McCain can't receive more funds, he is stuck at 84 million, because he actually kept his word.

 

When did McCain say he would not accept money from private donors?

 

Anyways Obama has actually received money from foreign donors.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/palestinian-brothers-gaza-illegally-donate/story.aspx?guid=%7B93BFA031-8B91-4743-88CC-A11A1A1DC4A0%7D&dist=hppr

It would seem that the two men say that they supported Obama by other means (the article did say that the two changed their story, but one has no way of disproving it, it should seem).

 

 

Additionally we're also looking at Identity Theft as well:

 

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7599837&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

 

Please, Garfield, tell me how Obama's campaign is directly linked to this Identity Theft: did someone from Obama's campaign steal the money? I fail to see the relevance of this data, unless you have supporting data.

[GarfieldJL]

When did McCain say he would not accept money from private donors?

 

I didn't get a source for that, but I will point out that McCain took public funding, that gives him a spending limit for his campaign, so he can't accept more money. If one wants to donate money to help McCain it would have to go to the RNC.

 

 

It would seem that the two men say that they supported Obama by other means (the article did say that the two changed their story, but one has no way of disproving it, it should seem).

 

Yeah, but there is a money trail which is good for the start of an investigation.

 

 

Please, Garfield, tell me how Obama's campaign is directly linked to this Identity Theft: did someone from Obama's campaign steal the money? I fail to see the relevance of this data, unless you have supporting data.

 

I wouldn't be able to prove it definitively, but I have my suspicions because it would fit Chicago Style Politics, but that wasn't my primary point I was pointing out that there are contributing factors to Obama taking in record amounts of money.

 

These two incidents show that one should take these numbers with a grain of salt.

[Litofsky]

I didn't get a source for that, but I will point out that McCain took public funding, that gives him a spending limit for his campaign, so he can't accept more money. If one wants to donate money to help McCain it would have to go to the RNC.

True, but that was McCain who made that decision, was it not? I dare to say that he has earned more money by tapping into the RNC as opposed to private donations. But that's just a hunch.

 

I wouldn't be able to prove it definitively, but I have my suspicions because it would fit Chicago Style Politics, but that wasn't my primary point I was pointing out that there are contributing factors to Obama taking in record amounts of money.

 

True, but consider the possibility that these are from legitimate donors, as opposed to the campaign stealing money. Also, what is your definition of "Chicago Style Politics?"

 

...numbers [should be taken] with a grain of salt.

 

I never suggested anything otherwise.

[GarfieldJL]

True, but that was McCain who made that decision, was it not? I dare to say that he has earned more money by tapping into the RNC as opposed to private donations. But that's just a hunch.

 

Well that isn't exactly true, because when the RNC comes up with an ad McCain doesn't have much control on what they put in, because the money is for the RNC to spend.

 

Obama and McCain both had signed a document I believe that they would go for matching funds, but Obama broke his word and contract, while McCain did not.

 

True, but consider the possibility that these are from legitimate donors, as opposed to the campaign stealing money. Also, what is your definition of "Chicago Style Politics?"

Identity Theft to secure donations and fraudulent votes.

Dead people, second graders, goldfish, etc. voting.

 

Basically, Chicago has the reputation of being one of the most corrupt cities in the United States.

[Litofsky]

Well that isn't exactly true, because when the RNC comes up with an ad McCain doesn't have much control on what they put in, because the money is for the RNC to spend.

 

Once more, was this not McCain's choice (as opposed to private funding)?

 

Obama and McCain both had signed a document I believe that they would go for matching funds, but Obama broke his word and contract, while McCain did not.

 

Would you mind backing this up with a few sources? Much appreciated.

 

 

Identity Theft to secure donations and fraudulent votes.

Dead people, second graders, goldfish, etc. voting.

 

Basically, Chicago has the reputation of being one of the most corrupt cities in the United States.

 

Hold on there! Those are some pretty serious allegations: would you mind backing it up with sources?

[Astor]

Additionally we're also looking at Identity Theft as well:

 

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7599837&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

 

I guess there's no chance that this is just another example of the all too common crisis of Identity Fraud then?

 

I guess you'll tell us there has to be some connection to the Obama campaign in there somewhere?

 

I have my suspicions because it would fit Chicago Style Politics, but that wasn't my primary point I was pointing out that there are contributing factors to Obama taking in record amounts of money.

 

So, you have suspicions? More than that's needed to actually prove anything.

 

These two incidents show that one should take these numbers with a grain of salt.

 

Agreed, but there's more than enough on either side that should be taken with a truckload.

[GarfieldJL]

I guess there's no chance that this is just another example of the all too common crisis of Identity Fraud then?

 

I guess you'll tell us there has to be some connection to the Obama campaign in there somewhere?

 

Why was the money going to the Obama campaign and not for some exotic vacation to Hawaii or some other tropical paradise?

 

 

 

So, you have suspicions? More than that's needed to actually prove anything.

 

I can't prove it, but in my opinion there is more than enough there to launch a criminal investigation.

 

1. Money from the credit cards where the people's Identities were stolen went to the Obama Campaign.

2. Obama's Campaign has had a history of agressively trying to shut down any criticism, and even actively attempt to cover up things like his connections to ACORN, and then tried to cover up the cover up.

3. His other connections such as Rezko whom was the go to guy in Chicago, whom has been convicted I might add.

[Web Rider]

Why was the money going to the Obama campaign and not for some exotic vacation to Hawaii or some other tropical paradise?

 

For the same reason that some crazy lady beat herself up and carved a backwards "B" into her face. Somebody's trying to fame somebody.

[GarfieldJL]

For the same reason that some crazy lady beat herself up and carved a backwards "B" into her face. Somebody's trying to fame somebody.

 

I believe the word is "frame" and that I agree was stupid however there have been other incidents of Obama supporters that have attacked McCain supporters that have been confirmed.

[jrrtoken]

I can't prove it, but in my opinion there is more than enough there to launch a criminal investigation.

There's a vast difference between an opinion and concrete evidence. If a detective wanted to arrest someone over a suspicion that he is a murderer, just because he has blood on his shirt, then that person who was arrested is probably innocent. My point is, you can't go to court with nothing but a suspicion and a few coincidences, and if you do, either an innocent will go to jail, or you'll get barred.

[True_Avery]

I believe the word is "frame" and that I agree was stupid however there have been other incidents of Obama supporters that have attacked McCain supporters that have been confirmed.

I'm going to go ahead and join the bandwagon.

 

Would you please give us some sources instead of spamming these threads with baseless speculation?

[Jae Onasi]

OK, I don't have a ton of time right now to look through this thread, so I'm closing it temporarily until j7 and I can get a handle on it--Please read the amended rules, folks, they're in force as of their posting.