Yoda not really that powerfull?

[TheSithEmperor]

I'm not sure if i've structured this well enough to make sense, here goes.

 

Yoda is powerfull. But i would of thought he would be much more powerfull considering hes been a Jedi for hundreds of years because of his species life span. He fights Darth Sidious on Equal footing until retreating in Episode 3, even though Sidious has only the life span of a human.

 

Which would mean Yoda has done hundreds of years more training, Obtained more knownledge etc, but still not able to defeat Sidious.

 

Any reasons for this?.. I'm guessing there is a limit to the potential of power one can reach with the force.

[Rev7]

And that he was a little guy. Ya, he says, "Size matters not", but it really kinda does, in some ways more than others.

[Fredi]

I think Yoda begun his training at a late age if I am not wrong. Remember he is pretty old too, the older a person ir the weaker he becomes, and well they say the dark side of the force makes you more stronger, so dose might be some reasons.

[Hayden Kered]

Yoda underestimated Sidious. Remember he told Luke not to underestimate him either in which he was referring to his fight with the Emperor.

 

At the end of Episode 3 Sidious was at his full peak of power, hence his domination over the senate, the fall of Anakin, and the victory over Yoda.

[Sabretooth]

When you are several centuries old, your limbs aren't exactly in prime condition.

[A Galaxy Foreseen]

I believe that he just retreated from the battle, he lost his lightsaber. Yeah but he

still got hit with one peice of lightning pushing him off the floating things.

I suppose he could of just gotten his lightsaber and went to kick more booty but choice to retreat saying: "I have failed" or something like that.

 

But I believe he is very powerful but maybe not enough or too tired to fight Sidious anymore?

[Ali1392]

i think he was weakened from the death of all the jedi, if sidious had been on the outside of that capsual he would of been thrown to his death but yoda was only injured and yoda also realised that hed been training the Jedi order to fight an open battle against the sith rather than a shadow war which was what happened which was why he tryed to take sidious with him, thats why sidious got scared at the end of that fight

[Darth_vilas]

Getting more knowledgeble and wiser doesn't make you stronger. You just have a peak. Maybe he was there, maybe he was past his prime.

Also the death of countless Jedi (who he maybe had a minor force bond with because he trained many jedi) didn't help either.

[Fredi]

Remember he was weaken and unfocused from all the dead Jedi's. Yoda might have done a bond with a few jedi's that where kill and thats enough to unfocused a Jedi.

[adamqd]

I think that Power, potential and training are irrelevant when it comes to destiny, Anakin had high midichlorian count, was much stronger and more powerful in the force than his peers, held in high regard etc, but it was the will of the force that he be mutilated to near death and spend his life in pain and servitude.

It say's in the novelization of ROTS that Yoda was destined to lose his battle with Sidious from the day he was born, and that the Sith were to take control and destroy the Jedi. It also makes sense that Luke would be able to defeat and redeem an Old Republic trained Jedi hero turned veteran Sith Lord within a couple of years of finding out what the Force and a Lightsaber was.

 

Yoda was the best the Jedi had to offer and truly was powerful and wise, but it was his destiny to see the End of the Jedi as he knew it (although he would later be a major player in the dawn of the new Order)

[Ztalker]

Why not turn the question around?

 

Is Sidious/Palpatine more powerful then we think? He managed to shroud himself from the entire Jedi order for 40 years orso, without even the masters suspecting anything.

Also, he TRAINED Darth Maul. So he's arguably an even better duellist then Maul was. Probably even knowing all fighting forms.

 

I think Yoda underestimating Sidious is the answer...

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

i believe yoda couldve kicked the old prune if he wasnt thrown off that ledge.

he was close to doing so. watch sidious during the fight.

 

firstly,he tried to run away from yoda

 

during the saber duel, sidious was rather frustrated his attacks were not landing. then he was displaying classic sithly arrogance while throwing the senate pods. (which you'd expect). then look at his face when yoda comes flying at him. he freaked and unleashed his lightning. which yoda blocked. so sidious put everything into the attack. and yet yoda still stops it.

 

and i dont think yoda was in his prime in ROTS. yet he almost killed sidious, who is saturated by the power of the dark side. but i think after that fall, and the echoes that mustve been screaming across the force, yoda realized he was to weak at that point to win.

 

i think they were equals in power. but in the novel yoda, dark rendezvous count dooku thought that "if yoda turned to the dark side, nothing in the galaxy would be able to stop him" (<-- not an exact quote, but thats the idea of what he thought)

thats just speculation, but dooku knew how powerful sidious was, and yet to say that? i think there's something there.

[Rinku]

Yoda is powerful, but remember that he was centuries old and probablty weary from the clone wars, add to that that order 66 had just been executed, obi-wan and him had just had to attack the jedi temple and found out that anikin did all of that.

[Rev7]

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Fortitude, my friend. Always staying calm is the Jedi way. I don't think that should be the reason why Yoda lost the fight. You have to remember that fights can be very unpredictable--and really, anyone can win ifthey make the right moves and decisions. Sidious used what was around him to win the fight.

[Rinku]

You are right about staying calm.

 

Yoda is powerful, but one has to known when a fight is lost and that it is better to retreat. If Yoda had not been thrown off the ledge he would have most likely won, but when he fell the tide of the battle turned toward Sidious unfortunately.

[Rev7]

^

We can only speculate, but I too think that Yoda winning is very plausible

[M@RS]

I think Yoda begun his training at a late age if I am not wrong. Remember he is pretty old too, the older a person ir the weaker he becomes, and well they say the dark side of the force makes you more stronger, so dose might be some reasons.

 

Yoda actually started training pretty young... He is old, but he uses the force to suppress that and he's able to jump around like he does... And also, the Sith use the force to become more and more powerful, whilst a Jedi uses the force to their "limit"...

[Zayne Carrick]

I think Yoda underestimated himself, like some old people think they can still do things that they did when they were 20, but when they attempt it they end up getting hurt.

[adamqd]

Yoda actually started training pretty young

 

I'm not Sure on his age when he started training, but he was already an Adult, unaware he was a Force Sensitive, when he crash landed on an unnamed planet on route to the core worlds, and met a Jedi Master, who informed him of said affinity and began his training. also he was 100 years old when he attained the rank of Master, a rank Obi-Wan reached within 11 or so years of making Knight at age 25. My guess is he wasn't a spring Chicken. But his age isn't why he lost, as I explained in an earlier post.

[LordOfTheFish]

Let's see. Sidious betrayed his master killing him in his sleep, correct? The reason being he became more powerful. Perhaps Yoda couldn't gain more power, or skill because nobody was good enough to teach him? Eh?

[Fredi]

Yoda lost because he is a Jedi, a Jedi know their limits and he understood that maybe it was not the right moment to win over Sidious.

[K_Kinnison]

IN all of the Star wars novels I have read (Not NJO) the movies, and even some of the comics. ONe Jedi alone cannot defeat a SIth Master. Mace windu was able to fight Sideous to a stalemate.

 

One idea i have is that Yoda knew he could not DEFEAT sideous. Instead of Sacrificing himself he could find another way. Via subversion or training another to help him defeat Sideous. "Into Exile I must go. Failed I, have"

 

It took hundreds of Jedi to defeat Exar Kun the first time, and several the second time.

Luke had to use the Dark side to defeat Vader, but Vader AND luke were able to defeat the EMporer

Luke and liea (and the unborn twins) were able to defeat the Emperor clone

 

Mace could have likely defeated Sideous with Anakins help. And Yoda would have been able to defeat Sideous with the help of another Jedi.

 

I will note that Dooku, Maul, and Vader were NOT sith Masters.

[Fredi]

I will note that Dooku, Maul, and Vader were NOT sith Masters.

 

And Darth Malak? Darth Traya? They where killed by a Jedi.

[TKA-001]

but Vader AND luke were able to defeat the EMporer

When did they do that?

[K_Kinnison]

And Darth Malak? Darth Traya? They where killed by a Jedi.

 

Video games are the worse source of information regarding the SW Universe, a lot of liberties are taken for the sake of gameplay

 

TKA-001 where else? RotJ, while Sideous was focused on trying to kill Luke with Force lighting, Vader was able to pick up 'his nibs' and give him the shaft