aner21 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You can say I'm not your typical player. I played TSL before KotoR I and I enjoyed it a lot. I've played KotoR since and although it's a far more complete game than TSL (dialogues with party members for example) with more sidequests and an epic feel I still find TSL's story far more compelling. Malak as a villan lacked a more indepth aproach (jedi turned sith turns on his sith master and tries to rule the galaxy_ hardly a very original idea, although it works for the game) at least in TSL you can discover the journey Kreia does towards the dark side, and how it mirrors Atris' own personal journey (don't forget LS is canon so she was probably spared by the Exile and was exiled herself (with a lot of sith and jedi holocrons in tow so in TOR she might be mentioned). And had the schedule remained unchanged Kreia's path could be altered by your choices, so your final boss would always be a reflection of your game choices (too bad THAT was scrapped as well). And about ignoring TSL, I think the story has so much potential (the entire brianna storyline was deemed non canon because the exile was female for example) they would be foolish not to take full advantage of that. P.S: Someone said something about the exile's name being unknown and how that was somehow related to the characters importance, well, revan isn't a real name either, it's short for a title he picked up when trying to enlist jedi to make war with the mandalorians: the Revanchist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 You can say I'm not your typical player. I played TSL before KotoR I and I enjoyed it a lot. I've played KotoR since and although it's a far more complete game than TSL (dialogues with party members for example) with more sidequests and an epic feel I still find TSL's story far more compelling. Malak as a villan lacked a more indepth aproach (jedi turned sith turns on his sith master and tries to rule the galaxy_ hardly a very original idea, although it works for the game) at least in TSL you can discover the journey Kreia does towards the dark side, and how it mirrors Atris' own personal journey (don't forget LS is canon so she was probably spared by the Exile and was exiled herself (with a lot of sith and jedi holocrons in tow so in TOR she might be mentioned). And had the schedule remained unchanged Kreia's path could be altered by your choices, so your final boss would always be a reflection of your game choices (too bad THAT was scrapped as well). And about ignoring TSL, I think the story has so much potential (the entire brianna storyline was deemed non canon because the exile was female for example) they would be foolish not to take full advantage of that. P.S: Someone said something about the exile's name being unknown and how that was somehow related to the characters importance, well, revan isn't a real name either, it's short for a title he picked up when trying to enlist jedi to make war with the mandalorians: the Revanchist. There was no journey with Kreia...she was a Sith to begin with. She was attempting to manipulate the Exile to bring about the destruction of the Force. Kreia manipulated Atris as well, though Atris was well on her way to the dark side anyway, Kreia just gave her a couple of subtle pushes. As for names.."During the early Outer Rim skirmishes between the Republic and Mandalorians, Revan—by this time a well known, powerful and charismatic Jedi Knight—moved throughout the Jedi Order, arguing his case for Jedi intervention. As the Revanchist movement behind him grew, the Republic media cast Revan in the role of crusading savior, wrongfully ignored by the aloof High Council. Though first referred to as "the Revanchist Leader" in reports, it was not long before the young Jedi Knight was given a new, "snappier" moniker: the Revanchist." -from Wookieepedia The Exile having no name was by game design and has little to do with anything else imho. At any rate: as I mentioned before Bioware hasn't mentioned the events of TSL yet...but that doesn't mean there won't be something...even if it isn't revealed in the prelaunch updates etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRogueForums Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The majority of the galaxy definitely didn't know exactly what was happening in KotOR II, that is right, especially not that Sith were again opposing Jedi, when it was the general consensus that both parties had disappeared. On the other hand, the Exile was public knowledge to a whole bunch of parties: the Jedi, the Sith, the Republic army, Bounty Hunters. Her involvement in the Onderon Civil War, Telos Attack, the destruction of Peragus, the Bounty Hunter war on Nar Shaddaa and the Khoonda battle on Dantooine didn't go by unnoticed. The "Last of the Jedi" must've sent a buzz throughout the whole sector, and far beyond. I can understand that after 300 years, and especially when the galaxy is in another war with the Sith, the common folk would remember Revan rather than the Exile. But to a few parties, the Republic army and the Jedi, her deeds must've have been closely followed and recorded afterwards. The Republic army, with Carth in a pivotal role, must've been aware of a remnant Sith army and the role the Exile could play in its destruction. The Jedi must've remembered her for playing a vital role in rebuilding the Jedi Order, especially when Visas and Mical are important members of that Jedi Order. So, in short, I can agree with BioWare's decision for the galaxy not to be aware of what happened after the Jedi Civil War, or for the people just thinking it the aftermath of the Jedi Civil War, especially after 300 years. What bothers me, though, is that the timeline won't mention the Sith Civil War. The holorecords being told by a Jedi Master and Keeper of the Archives, you'd expect some knowledge of that period from that person. At least, that's the impression I get when I look at the timelines, perhaps it'll be mentioned in the 'Jedi Civil War' record. I also don't think BioWare is ignoring KotOR II. As mentioned, the True Sith threat is spawned directly from that game, and BioWare already confirmed that for the KotOR fans, the fates of Revan and the Exile will be revealed. TOR is mainly focusing on its own time, and not on either KotOR or KotOR II. But there'll be plenty of lore for fans of both games, I think. My sentiments exactly- Bioware isn't omitting anything. Rather, they are focusing on the TOR story, which takes places several centuries after the events of KOTOR II. In addition to the stated quote that the fates of both Revan and the Exile will be revealed, in the very first press release, the Devs states that "some droids can last a long time." If that isn't a reference towards KOTOR II, I don't know what else could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aner21 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 There was no journey with Kreia...she was a Sith to begin with. She was attempting to manipulate the Exile to bring about the destruction of the Force. Kreia manipulated Atris as well, though Atris was well on her way to the dark side anyway, Kreia just gave her a couple of subtle pushes. As for names.."During the early Outer Rim skirmishes between the Republic and Mandalorians, Revan—by this time a well known, powerful and charismatic Jedi Knight—moved throughout the Jedi Order, arguing his case for Jedi intervention. As the Revanchist movement behind him grew, the Republic media cast Revan in the role of crusading savior, wrongfully ignored by the aloof High Council. Though first referred to as "the Revanchist Leader" in reports, it was not long before the young Jedi Knight was given a new, "snappier" moniker: the Revanchist." -from Wookieepedia The Exile having no name was by game design and has little to do with anything else imho. Revans title origin was explained in the comics, so you might very well find out her real name in the same source, all I'm saying is that both cases are titles created with the purpose of allowing each gamer to name their rpg character. I meant you could find what made her turn towards the sith before the game, flesh her out (if your persuasion and influence was high enough). You could do the same for G0T0, find out what it is and where it came from (it's mentioned ingame and is envolved in one of your quests DS an LS likewise even before you arrive in Nar Shadaa). I think Atton and Bao-Dur were underdeveloped, although they did have potential and Mical was annoying and could've been better than that two dimentional "i wuv you" idiot. Unlike KotoR I where you had to wait until the game unlocked the dialog in TSL you could pursue it and in every game and dialog choice add something about the party characters. But I think this is getting off topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltiades Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 the entire brianna storyline was deemed non canon because the exile was female for example Other sources have since confirmed Brianna traveling with the Exile as canon (the KotOR Campaign Guide, for one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aner21 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Even if the exile's female?? I'm glad they made it canon, but it's weird since your unable to have both Mical and Brianna as party members (having that idiot removed from canon would be to much to ask for... he had so much potential ...but alas) EDIT: I knew female LS exile was canon, but I still think it´s weird when they decide on an "official" version and then make parts of the "unofficial" official, but I'm still glad Brianna's story is canon (as canon as anything in EU, at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltiades Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Even if the exile's female?? Female Exile is canon, Brianna traveling with the Exile is canon, so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vougalot Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Yeah, the official word, in my understanding, is that both Brianna and Mical accompanied the Exile on her journey. Obviously that's impossible from a gameplay perspective, but that's the word. I'm glad because I love Brianna. Hate Mical, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRogueForums Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The Disciple was awesome, and don't you ever forget it! lol I would, however, like ot see the reformation of the Jedi Order play out. Take us from the end of KOTOR 2, to the beginning of TOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I would, however, like ot see the reformation of the Jedi Order play out. Take us from the end of KOTOR 2, to the beginning of TOR.I'd love to see what happens in that period as well. Wonder if that missing time will ever be filled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I don't really care if they don't go into depth with the TSL/end of TSL-TOR timeline. I just hope it's not completely ignored as if it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I have a hard time believing TSL-related content will be left out completely - I think it will be touched on at some point but probably won't be a major point in the story-line. To date I think it's been omitted because it's not yet relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I'd love to see what happens in that period as well. Wonder if that missing time will ever be filled in. I would love to see them fill us in on at least the major events of the period. I think a lot of folks would given the amount of fan fics set after the end of TSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trench Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I would want to hear the Sith Emperor (Ludo Kressh?) say something about the two troublesome Jedi who delayed the invasion of his Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 ^^^Heh, yeah, me too. Female Exile is canon, Brianna traveling with the Exile is canon, so yes. Yeah, the official word, in my understanding, is that both Brianna and Mical accompanied the Exile on her journey. Obviously that's impossible from a gameplay perspective, but that's the word. I'm glad because I love Brianna. Hate Mical, though. Well, in earlier releases of the game (my homie in the army bought it for XOBX when it first came out), whether or not Brianna joined you was actually alignment based as opposed to gender based. In this case you always ended up with michal, but it was now a choice between Brianna or Visas Marr: if you were darkside by the time you reached the Telos academy, she would not join you and Visas would attempt to assassinate you. Otherwise, she came along with you. However, this alone somewhat raises the conflict against the also canonized deal: Visas reforming the Jedi Order. Still possible if she did not join The Exile, I suppose. Sensing her master's demise, turned to the light. Same sorta deal with the disciple for a male Exile: could have joined with the Jedi order at a later date. I'd love to see what happens in that period as well. Wonder if that missing time will ever be filled in. <snip> I just hope it's not completely ignored as if it never happened. Seconded those notions. I have a hard time believing TSL-related content will be left out completely - I think it will be touched on at some point but probably won't be a major point in the story-line. To date I think it's been omitted because it's not yet relevant. I would imagine there will be mention of its events. Where else would the triumvirate have their information on "what is to come"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Shake Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Bioware is just jealous they didn't come up with the story first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Probably things have been left out right now so that they can incorporate them into the storyline or future additions to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 ^^ Agreed, I think people forget that this aint gonna be 50 hour game lol, I'm sure the Devs are hoping for it to continue for years... we cant run the same starter content for 5 years haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithPrince Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Malachor expansion! xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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