Tyrion Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine I'm pretty sure the baby would like a shot at life even better. I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 yeah everyone deserves one chance (ATLEAST!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Women should be allowed to choose. That's my opinion, and it's final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 I understand what people are saying on both sides, so I remain standless. Yes, it's completely wrong to kill any type of life at all, and the baby should at least have a chance. BUT, the woman should have a choice in the matter. BUT, the woman should think about that before going and having sex. BUT, the woman could have gotten raped. So, there's too many views on things. I'll just stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 If abortion is murder, you have to define what "taking a human life" is - and to do that, you need to define what "human" is. Life Any object that breathes, is made up of one or more cells, and requires food to maintian it's well being. Every thing of a baby is living. The sperm and egg that made the baby were living cells and if people don't want babys they shouldn't have the fun. And also abortions cause cancer! You double you chances for cancer every time you have a abortion. If your chances were 5% it would then be 10%. Next time it would be. 20% and keeps on going so after 4-6 abortions you will have cancer no matter what. So it is just bad all together it is moraly wrong, it is the end of a life, and it endangers the mother. Here is all something.... IF YOU DON'T WANT THE BABY PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION!!!!!!! That way you don't have the baby on your hands someone that can't have a child can have one and it is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Author Share Posted November 9, 2002 Within my generation's lifespan, all of my cells will be capable of becoming a new, human individual - given time. Rogue Nine, if we overpopulate, a large percentage of humans will die due to famine, mainly those living in third world countries. Kjølen, what is a soul? DNA? An egg cell in meiosis with a sperm cell.... how gross. KingPin: Maybe pre-marital sex is bad, but that's how the world is these days. It might have been convenient centuries ago, but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Simpson Women should be allowed to choose. Lets say i dont like my naboor next door... If i had my *right to choose* than i can go kill him because he is annoying? he calls the cops every time my dogs bark... should i go snap his neck and say "OMG he bothered me... i didnt like him/didnt want him around me" so it was my choice/opinion to take his life... I mean.. i have a choice dont i? Everyone is given a choice, You must choose the right one... and murder is not a right answer. BY ANY VIEW OR CURCIMSTANCE I Can see how people my say its only ok if the girl was raped, However... even if she was raped, does that give her the right to kill that baby? was it the babys fault that some sick pervert to advantage of his mother? NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Author Share Posted November 9, 2002 Ok ZDawg: I know it's utterly, completely, unacceptable, morally wrong TO TAKE LIFE. Well, how do you ethically justify bashing a mosquito or ****roach? Or, maybe you don't? Did you know that millions parasites and midget live on your body? Every time you brush your teeth, you kill hundreds of them? So, your life, weighted against theirs? Is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by cjais Well, how do you ethically justify bashing a mosquito or ****roach? Or, maybe you don't? Did you know that millions parasites and midget live on your body? Every time you brush your teeth, you kill hundreds of them? So, your life, weighted against theirs? Is that fair? God gave man the right to rule the animals and creatures of the earth. No, i do not get convicted when i smash a spider walking across my keyboard I'm not gonna go pushing relgion onto you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Sorry Rogue Nine I have to disagree with you.. Since the times of the Industrial revolution larger families have bercome a drain, not an addition to a families resources. Nowadays children arent bred to help out on a farm (aka be directly productive). Theyre bred to be productive later in life (aka a drain on resources until they make their own way, and contribution to the family after that may or may not happen). I tend to think of humans as animals. The only thing separating us from animals is our autonomy. If an animal population acts on instinct and breds until that population consumes all resources available then that animal population will die out. We as humans have a choice against instinct, which in this case will save us. I think safe sex practices and family limiting should be supported and abortion encouraged in the case of an unwanted pregnancy. It can do us nothing but benifit. As for the whole "disgusting fetus" thing. I can't imagine a situation where removing a fetus from a mother would appear rosy and pleasant, its an abortion, its not a cheery subject. If it's determined that this particular fetus should never become a baby then you might as well put it to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Author Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg I'm not gonna go pushing religion onto you guys. But you are when you outlaw abortion. People need to have the choice in this matter, just as they need to have the choice in religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by cjais But you are when you outlaw abortion. People need to have the choice in this matter, just as they need to have the choice in religion. By the LAWS of My country *USA* IT IS WRONG TO KILL SOMEONE/TAKE A LIFE. There is not *maby* in the matter. IT IS WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by NerfYoda As for the whole "disgusting fetus" thing. I can't imagine a situation where removing a fetus from a mother would appear rosy and pleasant, its an abortion, its not a cheery subject. If it's determined that this particular fetus should never become a baby then you might as well put it to good use. Stemcell research. Learn to fix things like paralisys. Nothing but good can come from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by cjais But you are when you outlaw abortion. People need to have the choice in this matter, just as they need to have the choice in religion. Hey there are athieist that think abortion is wrong too. It is not only religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 It is not only religion. to some people it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by cjais Kjølen, what is a soul? DNA? An egg cell in meiosis with a sperm cell.... how gross. no, you are thinking scientifically, thats why abortion is still alive today. Think Religiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by Kjølen no, you are thinking scientifically, thats why abortion is still alive today. Think Religiously. Though I agree with you. You shot yourself in the foot there Kjølen. That isn't the best argument for this subject. He doesn't have a religion so he can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Argh i see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 If i had my *right to choose* than i can go kill him because he is annoying? Totally different cases. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Personally, I don't consider it murder at the earliest stages. It's not a human being yet. It can't feel, it can't think. It can become a human being, yes, but it isn't one yet. Later, at the more advanced stages, I'm not so happy about it though. If a woman chooses abortion, she should do so at the earliest opportunity. Some of you mentioned that premarital sex has a lot to do with abortion. I agree. But how can you justify bringing a human child into this world by say, a 16-year old mother, who has no means of supporting her child? I'm finding it hard to choose my words correctly, simply because I know that most of you won't agree with me on this, and I don't want to provoke any of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiRtY $oUtH™ Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 well, think about this...where would the world be right now without religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Simpson Totally different cases. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Personally, I don't consider it murder at the earliest stages. It's not a human being yet. It can't feel, it can't think. It can become a human being, yes, but it isn't one yet. Later, at the more advanced stages, I'm not so happy about it though. If a woman chooses abortion, she should do so at the earliest opportunity. If I Pull a tree out of the ground wile its still in the seed form and has barley started to sprout does that not me i didnt kill it? Some of you mentioned that premarital sex has a lot to do with abortion. I agree. But how can you justify bringing a human child into this world by say, a 16-year old mother, who has no means of supporting her child? The 16-year old mother has the choice to have premarital sex... every action has a reaction. If you dont want a baby and you have no way of supporting one than keep your pants on untill you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Okay...I admit, I didn't read the stuff posted here. All I got to say is this: It's nothing but a few god damn cells. Why the hell would it not be okay to terminate the process? Perhaps because something in a certain 2k old book could be interpreted in a way that abortion is not a cool thing to do? Yeah right... and all gay people should be stoned to death and all you guys should be busy cutting the throats of lambs and rubbing the blood on pretty little golden trinkets. If all you got to lean on is some ridiculous argument based on something that someone thinks that the bible says, then... I pity you fools. Use your brain. Disregard the silly interpretations of the bible. Let common sense rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 I don't want to keep my pants on until I can support a child. But that's not the point. Accidents do happen you know. Even the best protection fails at times, and what's a poor girl to do then? If I Pull a tree out of the ground wile its still in the seed form and has barley started to sprout does that not me i didnt kill it? I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here... Look, I know I'm not going to agree with you on this, so I'm just going to stop the argument before this turns into something ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CagedCrado Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 An embryo has the potential to become human, so if you kill it you are destroying its future, end of story. Abortion is wrong, you want to control population DONT HAVE SEX. You cant afford a baby DONT HAVE SEX. If you get raped and you cant afford a baby the government should put it up for adoption. If you are saying it is alright to kill something with the potential to live a long happy life, you are also saying it is alright to kill a 5 year old because he isnt developed yet. cjais, you make me sick. cjais has a disgusting view on the subject and seems to be some what nazi to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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