TheWhiteRaider Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 the Jews don't believe in hell There are tons times hell has been said in Jewish writeings. I can't help it if the Jews don't even read their own stuff. Also there are tons of times the Jewish writeing talk about a savoir to come and save the world from condemation. I guess if the end times do happen who every is in charge is Isreal at the time will have to ask Jesus at the mount "Welcome is this your first time here?":D I just think that everything is just too complex to just have "happened" Almost the 15 times the same odds as someone winning the lotto 15 times in 2 years. Guess that is what I left that stuff. I just could find any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 *Note: I have not read the new posts* Science doesn’t really prove anything... Science has so many flaws that it’s hard to believe it... The laws of Aero Dynamics: A Bubble Bee Cannot Fly... We'll IT DOES! The laws of Aero Dynamics: A Humming Bird Cannot Fly... We'll IT DOES! The laws of Science: A Horse Cannot Stand... We'll IT DOES! Many things can’t be explained… your just going to have to except that you can not and will not understand everything you want to. Oh, and who ever said that all us Creationists believe in the “big bang” has some messed up info… because I for one do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider There are tons times hell has been said in Jewish writeings. I can't help it if the Jews don't even read their own stuff. Also there are tons of times the Jewish writeing talk about a savoir to come and save the world from condemation. In the Torah, which is the ONLY thing the Jewish faith is based on, there is absolutely NO mention of hell. The Torah is what Jews believe, not Jewish writings from later times. Ask any Jewish person - they'll tell you there's no hell in the Torah. I don't see what the second part of your comment has to do with anything, though. A SAVIOR (not Savoir) is written about, but they don't believe he has come yet, because Jews don't believe in Jesus, and Jesus was the Christian Savior. This is all very basic knowledge... stuff you should know before you go running your mouth like that. :EDIT: ZDawg, nothing you said made a damn bit of sense. If you're trying to make a point, back it up with some info, because right now it just looks like you're stating your own sorely misinformed opinion. :/EDIT: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg *Note: I have not read the new posts* Science doesn’t really prove anything... Science has so many flaws that it’s hard to believe it... The laws of Aero Dynamics: A Bubble Bee Cannot Fly... We'll IT DOES! The laws of Aero Dynamics: A Humming Bird Cannot Fly... We'll IT DOES! The laws of Science: A Horse Cannot Stand... We'll IT DOES! Many things can’t be explained… your just going to have to except that you can not and will not understand everything you want to. Oh, and who ever said that all us Creationists believe in the “big bang” has some messed up info… because I for one do not. The laws of science are proboly wrong in some cases. Hey, we are just humans anyway,our laws of science may be wrong.. Just because our science is wrong in some cases,doesnt mean that there has to be a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S ZDawg, nothing you said made a damn bit of sense. If you're trying to make a point, back it up with some info, because right now it just looks like you're stating your own sorely misinformed opinion. I was gone all day... just got back and didnt read the new(er) posts... i was going back to everyone trying to prove things by science. get my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 First the Torah is the law set in the Penitute. There are writen words of the prophets (Danel, Habakuk, ect.) with they do believe in(If you want I can pull someone over here that is a Messianic Jew to come prove you wrong.). That is what tells them about the end times. There is the book of the Proverb, Psalms, Song of Solomon, ect. that they believe in. So that is where you are wrong. There is more. But the basic law is the Torah. (Sorry about the spelling I am about to drop from lack of sleep after this post I am off to bed. It is 12:00 AM here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg get my point? No. You kept mentioning various laws of science, then named some seemingly random thing (i'm sure you had a point)... The Laws of Aerodynamics and a Bumblebee Can't Fly... I don't follow you there. Don't follow any of your other examples either. Can you word it differently? A horse does stand because it has muscles and bones that are strong enough to resist gravity. Speaking of gravity, somebody (think it was TheWhiteRaider) spewed some nonsense about solar wind "blowing away" part of our gravitational field. It's absolutely untrue... i'm wondering where you guys get your science facts, because a lot of it sounds like it comes from tabloid magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider First the Torah is the law set in the Penitute. There are writen words of the prophets (Danel, Habakuk, ect.) with they do believe in(If you want I can pull someone over here that is a Messianic Jew to come prove you wrong.). I know. But nowhere does it say there's a hell. Sorry about the double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Believing in god, whther it is the biblical one or some more advanced race that looks out for us or whatever in between is just fine IMHO. What I can't understand is people who throw common sense out of the window and insist on things like: "God took Adam's rib and made Eve. The communion wine really suddenly turns into the BLOOD OF JESUS when people drink it. (Ewww...gross!) God made the universe in exactly seven days." Believing is one thing. It does not mean that you can't use your brain while doing it. Let's not take the Bible literally. Just focus on the real message instead. Is our loving god really like this psycho here?! (great link cjais...it just gets better and better ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by Luc Solar Believing is one thing. It does not mean that you can't use your brain while doing it. Let's not take the Bible literally. Just focus on the real message instead. Is our loving god really like this psycho here?! (great link cjais...it just gets better and better ) Good point. The message is what's important, not the story (some of which is obviously metaphorical... anyone remember Jonah and the whale?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 As I have said before, who is to say that belief in religion and science is mutually exclusive? Why does one have to be believed and not the other? Why are other areas of science being attacked, and not the theory of evolution, upon which this argument is really based? I think with the comment about horses, is that their ankles are so high from the ground, that against most other animals, they are well out of position. Luc Solar, you are spot on there, remembering that the Jewish style of writing of the time around Jesus was of parables, rather than of direct literal writing, not everything in the bible is literal. After all, Western society is in general based upon Catholicism and Christianity, and yet we hate those of the Islam faith. Those that have a common belief, that Jesus was a prophet from God, they just have Mohammed as the prophet who wrote the Koran... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 In case someone is interested, I happened to find this link: (didn't read it myself yet, though) Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S No. You kept mentioning various laws of science, then named some seemingly random thing (i'm sure you had a point)... The Laws of Aerodynamics and a Bumblebee Can't Fly... I don't follow you there. Don't follow any of your other examples either. Can you word it differently? Ok... According to the LAWS of Aerodynamics’, a BUMBLE BEE CANNOT FLY, Yet... it does! This is example enough of how reliable Science is, or a lack there of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Why just state it? Give us some of the proof as to why it SHOULDN'T be able to fly, rather than just rant "It can't fly, but it does" Here is one link to debunk that theory - it is more of a mistaken assumption of certain things...... Bumblebee's Debunked @ NASA Here os another, in regards to the same topic Bumblebee II If you read, just a case of ignoring something important, and thinking it was of no consequence, because it was with FIXED WING aircraft............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 11, 2002 Author Share Posted November 11, 2002 I'd like all Creationists, or whatever you choose to call youself, to state exactly how they view the world: Do you take the "genesis" for good reason and actuality, word for word? Do you believe that God merely sparked the big bang, and then everything there after went as science theorized - IE: evolution, first life created in pool of electrified amino acids and whatnot? So far, all you've done is gun down our view of the world with semi-divine, blurry mixes of science and faith. In other words: What is your view of the world and the universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 i havent posted in here before so here it goes. i dont believe in god, adam/eva part. in my opinion all those things can be explained with science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S I know. But nowhere does it say there's a hell. Sorry about the double post. Try looking in the very first book of the penitute. It tells about it in there. Speaking of gravity, somebody (think it was TheWhiteRaider) spewed some nonsense about solar wind "blowing away" part of our gravitational field Magnetic field. It is true that the field has weakened over time because of solar wind(Hey it is what helps protect us.). Though not gravity. Gravity can't change unless the world gets smaller some how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by cjais Do you take the "genesis" for good reason and actuality, word for word? Yes. Do you believe that God merely sparked the big bang, and then everything there after went as science theorized - IE: evolution, first life created in pool of electrified amino acids and whatnot? No. Simple enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Simple rule that undermines the entire biblical writings on the creation of man and animals. Dinosaurs, where are they? Adam and eve were around to name all the animals, yet dinosaurs and men are spaced by 65 million years. Maybe god put all those bones their to test us, riiiigggghhhhttttt........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by Woodrodius Simple rule that undermines the entire biblical writings on the creation of man and animals. Dinosaurs, where are they? Adam and eve were around to name all the animals, yet dinosaurs and men are spaced by 65 million years. Maybe god put all those bones their to test us, riiiigggghhhhttttt........ First the age of the world is not fixed. Evolutionist say it is billions others say only thousands. We have no way of proving. And it talks in the bible about dinosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Unless your bible comes with a free copy of Dinotopia, your wrong about the dinosaurs. Enlighten us all with where it speaks of them. And no way to prove how old the earth is? You must have been home sick when they invented carbon dating. I don't mean to be rude, but your post is simply ludacris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by Woodrodius Unless your bible comes with a free copy of Dinotopia, your wrong about the dinosaurs. Enlighten us all with where it speaks of them. And no way to prove how old the earth is? You must have been home sick when they invented carbon dating. I don't mean to be rude, but your post is simply ludacris. Carbon dateing is a theory based on a theory. You use the theory that the earth is billions of years old to find out how much carbon is there to sart with(Yes you do have to know how much to start with) and that the half-life of C-14 has always been the same(Which is a theory). And use that to prove how old the world is. So the theory that world is billions of years old is used to prove carbon dating's accuracy and then that is used to prove how old the bones are which is then used to prove world is billions of years old. Is that a circle or what? Edit: Also Dinotopia is pure imagination. There is no way someone would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider And it talks in the bible about dinosaurs. Quote? Reference? I'd love to see this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by GonkH8er Quote? Reference? I'd love to see this Fine! I will get them later. I am off to bed for now I got a bad headace from all the smoke in the air over here. I shall post them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 White Raider, why do u try and debunk every other form of science, isn't that dragging in other sciences into what is Evolution v Creation, not Science v Religion. So, where is your belief of science when you step inside that of a 747, and what holds it up, strings? Science is a load of hogwash, according to all of your anti-science posts........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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