BlackDove Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 In my mind it's when you die, you DIE. Eternal sleep...no crap, no afterdeath, no nothing. Just sleep...can't wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 IF us atheists are RIGHT, when we die, we wont know If we're wrong, we'll know about it, and life a fiery painful eternity. If christians are right, they live in happyness and crap with their 'god' If they're wrong, and there is no god, then they never know. Meh, that's just the Christian view. Consider if the Hindu caste religion is really the right one. Christians are gonna fry for that. And even if the Christian belief system is the correct one out of 39, I still get to atone and be allowed to enter paradise when I meet God. However, I think I'd rather just spend my little time with him asking silly, tricky question. Fact is, us atheists get to spend all our lives making fun at religions because they most likely serve the wrong incarnation of God. Or, they're just talking to themselves all the time, which seems more sensible. I love this prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkum Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 I'm not Christian. I'm Muslim. I'm cool with my religino though. Yeah, I believe in Jesus, but not as the son of God or something like that. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and we believe that he'll come back on the Day of Judgement. (Bet a lot of you didnt know that ) I think you should believe whatever you want to believe, nobody is gonig to stop you from believing what you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion about Genisis 'we will make them in our image' is the exact quote when 'God' decides to make man. Who are WE? who exactly is he refering to when he says OUR? Angels? thats to contradictatory. angels are not mentioned until far after Genisis. does this mean that 'God' is psychologically ill? or does it mean the guy who wrote the 'Word of God' was a damn drunkard who didnt pay heed to what the **** he was writing? personally, i wouldnt wanna backtrack through the whole bible to re-read Genisis after i learn about angels. and dont give me 'its common sense' bs because it isnt! a child learning the bible knows nothing of god or his angels so how does he know? seen all those Genisis things and i thought i'd toss that in... The 'We' in Genesis are: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted January 6, 2003 Author Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais I see. Read this. Thoroughly. Read every subsection. Read every last paragraph of it. Gorge yourself on every little letter and punctuation. If you still take the Bible as fact, after doing exactly this, you're free to go - with a label on your back. Don't worry, you'll never be able to read the label yourself, but everyone will easily spot it. I read it. I still take the WHOLE Bible as fact. I do agree that some parts are metaphorical, but I believe the creation story. The people that wrote the Bible never saw some things that exist today. They would interpret things differently than us. For example: In Revelations John says he saw the stars rain down from the heavens. It could have been asteroids or even nukes. He saw into the future, he wouldn’t understand everything he saw. You have to remember that they wrote the Bible a long time ago. I feel sorry for the poor box people who don’t believe in anything. They have nothing to look forward to when they get out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais Meh, that's just the Christian view. Consider if the Hindu caste religion is really the right one. Christians are gonna fry for that. Sorry, I must have somehow been under the impression this was a thread about christianity But you're right. All these religions consider themself correct. I find it more likely that they're all wrong, rather than just 1 being right. Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I feel sorry for the poor box people who don’t believe in anything. They have nothing to look forward to when they get out of the box. Personally, I think that knowing I have nothing to look forward outside of this box makes me all the more appreciate of my box time. I cherish every day I'm here... and I shall continue to do so.... I don't know about you, but I quite enjoy this Box, and I'm not ready to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I read it. I still take the HOLE Bible as fact. You have holes in your Bible? I have a few if you want one. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 The 'We' in Genesis are: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. how can the 'WE' represent the holy trio BS if Jesus isnt even born yet. they'd hafta make mention of him as well. and saying that just makes Christianity into what it says is sacreligious, and thats a polytheism religion. and no, mary wasnt pregnant millenia before she was even born. try it on for size and rethink that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I read it. I still take the WHOLE Bible as fact. I do agree that some parts are metaphorical, but I believe the creation story. Metaphorical facts can't exist. So you take the Genesis for historical fact, or "metaphorical fact"? It is neither, as that site proved. I doubt you read the whole thing, especially not the part about The whole silly flood story. Fact is what you can sense and measure. God does not fall into of those categories no matter how much you scream and yell. The Bible can only be taken as fact by those who have perverted the word "fact" to suit their beliefs. You can't do that, it doesn't work that way. It could have been asteroids or even nukes. He saw into the future, he wouldn’t understand everything he saw. How do you know he saw into the future? If your answer, surprisingly, is going to be "The Bible", that only renders your beliefs as weak as those of Satanists and Indian shamanistic religion. It means your words hold as much truth as whatever everyone else decides it to be. I can write whatever dogmas I want to, and they'd be just as factually true as those of the Bible's. This is why we should stick with what's fact, instead of deluding ourselves into believing otherwise. I feel sorry for the poor box people who don’t believe in anything. They have nothing to look forward to when they get out of the box. Yet they know they're on the safe side of things. They cannot be proven wrong, because the only true answer in that case is that you cannot know if the lamp is on or off. I'm sorry to say this, but fact is, death is The End (tm). Just as it's fact and not belief that proves the earth is not flat, we can see that since our brain is our consciousness (and nothing has proved otherwise so far), when we die, we die. Sure, if you want to believe otherwise go ahead, because it obviously makes you feel good about death. Just as I can delude myself into believing everyone around me in reality has good intentions, you can believe whatever you want as long as you don't hurt other people physically or mentally. But be prepared for people like me to tell you that your beliefs aren't fact, that they're not correct. But I'm sure that won't stop you. It takes a strong heart to not believe in anything according to you, as it means you can't delude yourself into believing the world behaves the way you want, so you can feel good about yourself. But, I have an open mind really. But not so open as to start seeing things which aren't, to persons outside my mind. That's called illusions. I'm willing to believe in a God if I see some proof of him. But so far, everything I've read and sensed hasn't been proof to me, or other normal box-folk. I'm actually getting quite interested in seeing how Christians go about preaching their truth to non-believers. Other than the standard spoon feeding practiced on persons at the infant stage seen nowadays. Sorry, I must have somehow been under the impression this was a thread about christianity I viewed this debate more as "What is your belief system?" rather than restricting it to Christians. Sorry if I broke some rules along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I read it. I still take the WHOLE Bible as fact. I do agree that some parts are metaphorical, but I believe the creation story. The people that wrote the Bible never saw some things that exist today. They would interpret things differently than us. For example: In Revelations John says he saw the stars rain down from the heavens. It could have been asteroids or even nukes. He saw into the future, he wouldn’t understand everything he saw. You have to remember that they wrote the Bible a long time ago. I feel sorry for the poor box people who don’t believe in anything. They have nothing to look forward to when they get out of the box. "Heeeere's your sign!" -Jeff Foxworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion how can the 'WE' represent the holy trio BS if Jesus isnt even born yet. they'd hafta make mention of him as well. and saying that just makes Christianity into what it says is sacreligious, and thats a polytheism religion. and no, mary wasnt pregnant millenia before she was even born. try it on for size and rethink that statement Holy trio BS? Well at least we haven't resorted to unneccessary attacks against other people's religion yet.. Oh wait....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoCept Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 How do you know he saw into the future? If your answer, surprisingly, is going to be "The Bible", that only renders your beliefs as weak as those of Satanists and Indian shamanistic religion. It means your words hold as much truth as whatever everyone else decides it to be. I can write whatever dogmas I want to, and they'd be just as factually true as those of the Bible's. What makes me happy is the fact that you idoits will burn in hell weither you believe in GOD or not. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 How religious of you... Seriously, you take joy in the idea that people might burn in hell for not believing in god. As I understand it, though, even god mourns people like that. It doesnt make him happy to see some of his people cast away from the flock. It hurts him, badly. After all, he's much like a parent. No parent wants to have to send their child away forever... So why's it make you so happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoCept Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Perhaps we have difrent interpretions of the bible, or do you even read it? Also believe me, I do take some remorse in the fact you are lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior Holy trio BS? Well at least we haven't resorted to unneccessary attacks against other people's religion yet.. Oh wait....... hey,sarcasim duely noted shmucktastic. i call it bs cause it IS BS to ME. understand that i say what i feel phone-home boy, and personally, i feel the entire bible is the longest pile of crap i have ever sat down to read. so if i offended you, too damn bad! i got a freedom of speech that my people fought and died for and I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOME SHMUCK OVER THE INTERNET IS GONNA GET PISSED BECAUSE I EXPRESS IT!!! edit - forgot to put this in i know you too have a freedom of speech, but dont you ****ing get sarcastic and use a damn smiley of your disapproval. if i gave a flying **** who approved of me and who didnt, i'd be another dirtmerchant living in fear of the repocutions of my actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion i got a freedom of speech that my people fought and died for and I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOME SHMUCK OVER THE INTERNET IS GONNA GET PISSED BECAUSE I EXPRESS IT!!! ah i concur(sp?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Perhaps we have difrent interpretions of the bible, or do you even read it? I was raised catholic. Roman Catholic, actually. I know enough to know that god mourns the loss of people who turn away. Or perhaps you would like me to believe that god is an angry, vengeful, eternally pissed off god who damns to hell all those who dont worship him, even if they never even knew of his existance. If thats the god you expect me to worship, then **** that. Thats a god guilty of his own mortal sins. (vanity, pride, probably others...) Of course, I dont think that thats the god that exists (and I do lean towards the existance of A god). Thats too illogical a personality for an all-powerful being to hold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Ok, ok, ok, guys, chill. Everyone, myself included, got a little heated there... you all know that the mods wont have a problem closing this if flames start showing, so why dont be all just relax for a second here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 1 still not cooled off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Then leave. Come back tomorrow. Dont ruin this thread for everyone else. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion how can the 'WE' represent the holy trio BS if Jesus isnt even born yet. they'd hafta make mention of him as well. and saying that just makes Christianity into what it says is sacreligious, and thats a polytheism religion. and no, mary wasnt pregnant millenia before she was even born. try it on for size and rethink that statement dork. Jesus was sent from heaven to earth by God to deliver us from hell, all we have to do is believe in Him and believe that our sins are forgiven, and we go to heaven when we die. remember that mary was a virgin when she gave birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 dork. Jesus was sent from heaven to earth by God to deliver us from hell, all we have to do is believe in Him and believe that our sins are forgiven, and we go to heaven when we die. remember that mary was a virgin when she gave birth. ^^^why I don't attend church^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 who needs church? i don't go to church! PWNED!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 dork. Jesus was sent from heaven to earth by God to deliver us from hell, all we have to do is believe in Him and believe that our sins are forgiven, and we go to heaven when we die. remember that mary was a virgin when she gave birth. dumbass! i was talking about GENISIS YOU ****ING MORON!! y'know, BEFORE CHRIST WAS BORN!!! READ THE WHOLE STATEMENT ****NUTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Warrior Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion dumbass! i was talking about GENISIS YOU ****ING MORON!! y'know, BEFORE CHRIST WAS BORN!!! READ THE WHOLE STATEMENT ****NUTS You know what? You're ruining this thread with your anger. If you don't calm the hell down I'll report you. This is a debate not a fight so chill out man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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