Guest Jed Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 Any hunches on what's gonna be in Ep 3? Wishes? A nice sequel to the Yoda vs. Dooku battle would be nice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thew Rydur Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 I was thinking the Boba would take care of Windu, but considering he's only going to be 12 or 13, I doubt it. I think Anakin will kill Dooku and then take his place with Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted January 11, 2003 Share Posted January 11, 2003 Obi turns Anakin into Darth Vader. Dooku kills Mace Windu Sidious then kills dooku(because Dooku is getting too powerful) Anakin becomes Sidious' apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 I dont know how Windu will die. I doubt Dooku will kill him. In an interview with Jackson or George we are told that Windu is a stronger fighter than Yoda. Yoda only uses the Force to fight since hes so old. Windu uses both his body strength and the Force. His Force power is just below Yoda. Jackson said Windu will go out in a blaze of glory. Perhaps he dies in a starfighter while taking on a capital ship. That part is my speculation. As far as the main characters it will probably be Ani is turned to the Dark by Sidious, kills Tyranus and takes his place, becomes Vader, fights Obi and loses, Sidious rescues Vader and puts him in the suit, Yoda escapes to Dagoba, Obi takes Luke to the Lars, Padme takes Leia to Alderan, Empire rises, the rest is history. (Personally Id like to see Mace kill Tyranus.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 i don't think mace's force is close to yoda's force, yoda is roughly 20 times mace's age, so he'd have to be much more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiMP RABBiT Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 They better not tell us too much about leia because its meant to be a twist when Luke discovers her identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 uhhh..right. I am looking forward to mace's death, because, even though he is a good character, he will go out with a bang. Perhaps he kills Dooku. Anyways I wonder how Padme dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Well as said before Padme will probably not die in ep3. She will likely die a few years after for Leia to be able to remember her. How she will die noone but GL knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Knight Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 What might happen: Anakin becomes Vader gradually, playing around with the Dark Side throughout the movie but affirming it in the end. Anakin kills Windu. Anakin kills Dooku, a la Return of the Jedi, to see who gets to be Sidious' new apprentice. Anakin fights Yoda (come on, it'll probably happen.) What if: Qui-Gon isn't really dead? He never disappeared, as we all know. Of course, neither did Vader. And we don't know if the body in the fire at the end of EPI was really Qui-Gon's, or if it was even consumed by the fire. Mace Windu is the 'Dark Lord'? He's on the Jedi Council and could be clouding their minds constantly. Padme is on the Dark Side? She might be coercing Anakin over to the Dark Side. Think about it: why would she stick around this guy, who is obviously unstable, if she is against their relationship altogether? Don't tell me it's out of love... Darth Maul comes back? He will probably be cloned or something. He could be cloned from only one of his halves, and be 'Mini-Maul'! Okay, I'll move on... Anakin is cloned? This would be convenient plot-wise. Dooku is Syfo Dias (or however you spell it)? He was probably using the name as a cover so he could order the clones, but it was pretty careless of him not to notice that his cover identity was dead! Jar-Jar Binks is the Dark Lord? Okay, this is the joke one. But he would get to die that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well, Sidious has to reveal himself to the Jedi sometime before Episode 4, so why not by killing off the most powerful Lightsaber combatant, Mace Windu? Cuz I mean, Dooku will probably have fought with Mace, and mace renders dooku incapacitated, like how Dooku did it to Obi-wan AND anakin. And when Anakin sees Mace Dies, he goes to attack sidious, but dooku steps in just like how anakin did for obi-wan in Episode 2. Anakin in a boiling rage of fury battles dooku and ends up killing him. When he goes to attack sidious, Obi-wan steps in to stop anakin, and thats when Anakin and Obi-wan have their epic battle. In the end, Sidious extends a hand "in friendship" and that is when he succombs to the darkside and becomes Darth Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Originally posted by Maverick Knight What might happen: What if: Qui-Gon isn't really dead? He never disappeared, as we all know. Of course, neither did Vader. And we don't know if the body in the fire at the end of EPI was really Qui-Gon's, or if it was even consumed by the fire. Mace Windu is the 'Dark Lord'? He's on the Jedi Council and could be clouding their minds constantly. Padme is on the Dark Side? She might be coercing Anakin over to the Dark Side. Think about it: why would she stick around this guy, who is obviously unstable, if she is against their relationship altogether? Don't tell me it's out of love... Darth Maul comes back? He will probably be cloned or something. He could be cloned from only one of his halves, and be 'Mini-Maul'! Okay, I'll move on... Anakin is cloned? This would be convenient plot-wise. Dooku is Syfo Dias (or however you spell it)? He was probably using the name as a cover so he could order the clones, but it was pretty careless of him not to notice that his cover identity was dead! Jar-Jar Binks is the Dark Lord? Okay, this is the joke one. But he would get to die that way... No offense, but those ideas are completly ludicris. If Anakin was cloned his clone would have no midiclorians or force power and he would be a completly different person, remember, the force choses at RANDOM. Syfo Dias was a real Jedi. Mace Windu is NOT a dark lord. That is insane. Padme trying to turn Anakin? Get real. That is idiotic. And Qui-Gon? I think he was a good character, but get over it he's dead, gone, bye bye, never to return! Lucas may have messed with the original plot, but he is not an idiot. And who says Vader didn't dissapear? ps: I hope you weren't being serious... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Well, Sidious has to reveal himself to the Jedi sometime before Episode 4, so why not by killing off the most powerful Lightsaber combatant, Mace Windu? Cuz I mean, Dooku will probably have fought with Mace, and mace renders dooku incapacitated, like how Dooku did it to Obi-wan AND anakin. And when Anakin sees Mace Dies, he goes to attack sidious, but dooku steps in just like how anakin did for obi-wan in Episode 2. Anakin in a boiling rage of fury battles dooku and ends up killing him. When he goes to attack sidious, Obi-wan steps in to stop anakin, and thats when Anakin and Obi-wan have their epic battle. In the end, Sidious extends a hand "in friendship" and that is when he succombs to the darkside and becomes Darth Vader. Thats the most sensible thing I have heard in a long time, but why would obi-wan try to stop anakin from killing Sidous? Unless he feared for anakin's life. And I really doubt Anakin would get too pissed off about mace's death. Maybe If he kills padme...not mace...but hey, its all just guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luuke_Skywalker Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 dooku will be killed by yoda on dagaboh.......therefore the dark side shadow in the tree cave that yoda used to hide from vader and the emperor. i think yoda follows dooku to dagaboh (dooku fleeing from Sideious since i think he'll be betrayed by finding out that Sideious has been grooming Anakin as Dooku's replacement and he knows that Sideious would have him killed) and yoda who is Da Man slices the Count into Dooku Steaks (how do you like your Dooku? Flame Broiled, Rare, medium, or well done?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 I have a question- how do we know that when Leia is talking about her mother she's really talking about Padme? Does that make sense? Leia was only little so how would she really know that it was her mother? What's not to say that Padme died not long after Leia and Luke were born? (say 6months after their birth)Obviously Luke went to Owen and Peru- but Leia? Maybe one of Padme's hand maiden people took off with Leia? I know that's a long shot, but I have a feeling that maybe Dooku kills Padme but its made to look like Obi Wan- there has to be a plot twist somewhere, Ani would need a real reason to turn against the jedi and if he thinks that the jedi killed his love, well that would really send him over the edge. Don't mind my ramblings, I've got a lot of thoughts running through my head about what could happen and all that sort of stuff Also with Qui Gonn- maybe Qui Gonn was Sifodias? Seems like good jedi's dissapear when they die (Yoda/Obi Wan) but Qui Gonn and Vader never did. Although that could be just a mistake on Lucas's part- or is it just the high and mighty jedi's that get to vanish when they die? (I'm just thinking to the arena battle- there were a lot of dead jedi bodies, surely not all of them were evil) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Its a perfectly sound question. But the best explanation is that Padme wouldn't have want to have left BOTH her children. She already had to "abandon" Anakin. But to lose her daughter. I don't think she would go along with that, regardless of the circumstances. I get the feeling that from your glowing name colour, you are female, and would YOU give up BOTH your children. But in regards to Sifo-Diayas, I believe that Count Dooku assumed the identity of Sifo-Diyas after he died, and went to Kamino under the assumed name as to not arouse suspicion. But if you recall, Qui-gon didn't always go with the Council's suggestion, especially since he was trained under Dooku, who taught him to be independent and to go with self-instinct and not always by code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Yes I am female strange most people automatically think I'm female. Must be the way I express myself. Sometimes I feel like sticking a sign somewhere that says "I'm female get over it" OK aside from that- your right I couldn't give up both my children, I suppose I didn't explain myself very well, what I mean is Padme keeps Leia, but what if Padme is killed while Leia is still only a baby (say 6months old) I don't think any person would remember things that happened while she/he was 6months old- which is why I raised the question perhaps one of Padme's handmaidens took off with Leia after she was killed. Maybe I can't think of her name, the one in episode2, the one that cries when Padme goes back to Naboo. They're obviously very close, and that would explain Leia with her comments about her (mother) always being sad. Of course that comment also works for Padme, she would obviously be sad, her soul mate has basically gone on a killing spree. As for Sifodias- this name must have some sort of importance, I really doubt George Lucas would just make up a name and leave it at that if it's not going to have some sort of importance. Like you said, Qui Gonn was trained by Dooku- self instinct and go with the feelings. Perhaps Qui Gonn sensed the force was in trouble- or perhaps he even knew about what was going on. If I recall correctly- Dooku said Qui Gonn was quite aware of the corruption in the senate, the only thing he didn't know was that Palpatine was Lord Sideous. Oh well it's going to be fun discussing and debating the ifs whys hows and so on for the next 2years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Originally posted by Natty Sometimes I feel like sticking a sign somewhere that says "I'm female get over it" I know exactly how you feel! --------------------------------------- I posted a thread a while back giving some conclusions from reading the databank of http://www.StarWars.com: An insight into Episode 3! After watching the special features disc of the AOTC DVD, I noticed a small part where George is questioned as to why he is filming part of Ep3 in Tunisia now (now being while they are filming Ani and Padme's visit to Cliegg Lars home). This started me thinking as to what scene they were filming and then it became obvious. We all know that Luke is bought up by his Uncle Owen Lars, so we know that at some point, Luke is bought to Owen Lars for his protection and to be hidden from Anakin/Vader. After reading about Owen on StarWars.com, it says that Obi Wan brings Luke to him and that Owen keeps the truth about his father from him because of his dislike for the Jedi. After doing some additional research on StarWars.com, this leads me to conclude that the scenes from Ep3 are as follows: Padme has given birth to twins, Leia and Luke, but because Anakin has turned to the darkside Obi-Wan and Padme decide to hide the twins from him. Obi asks Bail Organa to to look after Padme and Leia and he sends them to Alderaan where Leia is adopted into the Royal Family. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- During the Clone Wars, Organa befriended General Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the revered Jedi Knight served him well in that terrible conflict. When Kenobi's apprentice, Anakin Skywalker, succumbed to the dark side, Kenobi sent Skywalker's lover, Padmé Amidala, to Organa for hiding. Amidala hid one of her twin offspring in the high court of Alderaan, and this child, Leia Organa, was adopted into the Royal Family. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obi then goes to Tatooine and tells Owen about Anakins fall to the Darkside and asks him to take care of Luke for him. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Complicating this simple life was his nephew. At the behest of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Owen and Beru were made the wards of Luke Skywalker, the son of Owen's stepbrother, Anakin. Lingering resentment over the actions of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi would color Owen's opinions for years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obi then goes into hiding on Tatooine. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obi-Wan was instrumental in hiding Anakin's offspring, so that neither the Dark Lord, nor his master, the Emperor Palpatine, knew of their whereabouts. He took the young boy, Luke, to live with Owen and Beru Lars, moisture farmers on Tatooine.The young girl, Leia, was taken to Viceroy Bail Organa of Alderaan, whom Obi-Wan had served during the Clone Wars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So there we have it, we at least know part of Episode 3 for certain. I know a lot of you have already come to this conclusion but I am writing this for those who havn't read StarWars.com in detail and to get the events correct and exact in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Originally posted by Natty Sometimes I feel like sticking a sign somewhere that says "I'm female get over it" THAT can be arranged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Actually, Natty, it was really just the glowing name, and I was taking a shot in the dark by asking the question. Originally posted by Natty As for Sifodias- this name must have some sort of importance, I really doubt George Lucas would just make up a name and leave it at that if it's not going to have some sort of importance. Like you said, Qui Gonn was trained by Dooku- self instinct and go with the feelings. Perhaps Qui Gonn sensed the force was in trouble- or perhaps he even knew about what was going on. If I recall correctly- Dooku said Qui Gonn was quite aware of the corruption in the senate, the only thing he didn't know was that Palpatine was Lord Sideous. My feeling is that if the people of Kamino don't know of Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus, he could easily assume the name Sifo-dyas without it complicating matters in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pnut_Man Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 I've seen the topic of "bodies not disappearing" popping up on this board. Now, if i can remember correctly, the force has been "weak" for the past 20 years. Something is blocking the Jedi from "passing on" when they die. I'm assuming this because the NJO book series frequently states that the force was weak during the time of the New Republic. During the NJO the force is at a high, Jedi are sprouting up everywhere, Jacen Solo becomes this Force God. I know that Lucas does not interfere with the EU that much, but I believe the cause for the non-disappearing bodies is the fact that the force is weak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 That could make sense, I mean the force being weak which is why they didn't pass on. Although one would wonder if the force was weak in the origional trilogy then you would assume that Obi Wan and Yoda wouldn't vanish either. Hmmmmmm the plot thickens, hopefully all is explained in episode3. The thing about Qui Gonn being a bad jedi though is why why would he be screaming "ANIKAN NO!!!!" from beyond the grave? Surely if he was evil wouldn't he be like "WHOOHOO GO ANIKAN KILL AS MANY OF THE TUSKAN RAIDERS AS POSSIBLE YOU RULE!" (ok not those exact words but you get what I mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rive Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hey peeps, say hi to the new guy. First of all, I've read the thread so far, and there does seem to be a lot of good points and suggestions made towards the story that I just wish Lucas (and co-writers - let's be honest, he created the universe, but it was crappy, so his people re-wrote it for him. "Luke Starkiller?" <rolls eyes...> GL isn't as great as we all make him out to be, remember) would pick up and stick in the film. There's a few things that really do need to be adressed in Episode III. Firstly, the whole reason why C-3PO's memory banks are so fried. He doesn't remember Anakin or R2-D2 when they turn up on Tattooine when Anakin comes to find his mother. He doesn't remember Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4 - even if he doesn't recognise his face, he should well know the name. And he doesn't know that Luke and Leia are brother and sister. What's going on there? Hope that gets covered. Maybe it's something to do with having his head smacked clean off and re-welded by R2 in the middle of the battlefield? Who knows. Next, Jar-Jar's slow and painful death... Then there's the whole "Was I any different when you taught me?" speech from Obi-Wan to Yoda on Dagobah... Obi-Wan was ready enough to take the trials and take on his own apprentice at the end of Episode I, so that means that Qui-Gon was his only master. Unless Obi-Wan was trained as a "youngling" by Yoda as seen in Episode II with all the other young children? The whole disappearing / not disappearing thing was supposed to have been explained in Episode I from what I remember. I think it was on one of the intros to the special edition IV-VI tapes where GL said himself "not to worry, it'll all be explained..." So what happened to that? And I also seem to remebember (and so does my flatmate) that the big epic battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin is on top of a volcano, the battle ensues, being a very close match, but somehow (through luck?) Obi-wan defeats anakin and he is either left for dead, or falls into the magma, crawls out, only to be rescued by Sidious, hence leading him to be forever endebted to him, and so having to stay at Sidious' side as his apprentice. Dunno. Well, whatever happens, let's hope all the mushy stuff is over and done with. I definitely also want to see more of the huge-scale battle stuff, cos as nice as the old "jedi-versus-sith" one-on-one battles are, they really don't compare with the colossal scale Clone War battle at the end of Episode II. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Then there's the whole "Was I any different when you taught me?" speech from Obi-Wan to Yoda on Dagobah... Obi-Wan was ready enough to take the trials and take on his own apprentice at the end of Episode I, so that means that Qui-Gon was his only master. Unless Obi-Wan was trained as a "youngling" by Yoda as seen in Episode II with all the other young children? It has been confirmed that Yoda teaches all younglings the force at an early age, and once they reach a certain age, they are assigned an individual Jedi Master, in which case, Obi-wan was assigned to Qui-gon Jinn. There's a few things that really do need to be adressed in Episode III. Firstly, the whole reason why C-3PO's memory banks are so fried. He doesn't remember Anakin or R2-D2 when they turn up on Tattooine when Anakin comes to find his mother. He doesn't remember Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4 - even if he doesn't recognise his face, he should well know the name. And he doesn't know that Luke and Leia are brother and sister. What's going on there? Hope that gets covered. Maybe it's something to do with having his head smacked clean off and re-welded by R2 in the middle of the battlefield? Lucas also confirms that somehow in Episode 3, they will have their memory ingram chips fried, which will explain why R2d2 and C3P0 don't recognize Obi-wan Kenobi or his name. And the epic battle between Anakin and Obi-wan will happen. An Italian photography and film team has confirmed that LucasFilms has contracted them to film portions of a Volcano for Episode 3. Lucas also confirms about the disappearing idea that encompasses those who are with the Force, etc. And why we heard Qui-gon's voice in Episode 2, but did not see him, or did he disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 One thing I've heard that could explain for Threepio and Artoo is that Vader himself clears the droids memory banks. I know it's a proposterous idea, but hey, it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Well, its also possible that a strong enough electrical pulse would disable any electronic not shielded. and for our sakes, some of 3POs and R2's memory would be fried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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