The_One Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 I'm with Die Another Day on this one - in regard to his feelings towards The Matrix. I personally I feel it is over-hyped and over-rated - not the classic some people would have you believe. I try to stay out of these Matrix debates as I never seem able to convince the blind fans out there that this really isn't that good a movie. I remember being flamed to hell once in another forum for declaring The Matrix a comedy. It seems as if nowadays films are purely designed to be visually appealing, and little else. I always picture directors thinking to themselves "hmmm, this would make a good game" - that seems to be what modern films are mostly, glorified video games on the big screen. You have to seek high and low for a good, quality film these days. Many of the films I rent out are unheard of by the majority of people - and then I glance over to the new releases section and all 500 copies of "The Scorpion King" have been rented out. I hold my head in shame, I really do. The film industry is in such an apalling state at the moment, sometimes I wonder if it will ever get back on its feet. When was the last time you saw a quality performance that you actually believed from an actor in a block buster film? I can't think of any. The Matrix falls into this trap. They come up with what is, in fact an unoriginal story - watch "Dark City" (a brilliant film), it seems they extracted the plot from there. All they had left to do was hire a load of "actors" whose names people would recognise, stick them in the film and then add a bunch of special effects. Bam! You have a movie. Strip out the special effects, and what are you left with? Not much. Wake up to the reality Matrix fans. Your beloved franchise is not all its cracked up to be. Go and watch a proper film, with proper actors. A decent film shouldn't need special effects - you should be purely concentrating on the actors themselves, no fancy extra crap. And if it is in there, it should be used merely as a backdrop, not to carry the entire film. These are the kinds of films that should be blockbusters. Oh, if only it were a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted May 26, 2003 Author Share Posted May 26, 2003 BCanr2d2, no offense, but if everyone lived their lives asking "What if...?" then nothing would get done. What if I hadn't stopped to tie my shoe lace, would I have been in that car accident up ahead? What if I was nicer to that person, would they turn out to be my friend? You should stop reviewing the possible outcomes and just be happy with the outcome you take in life... Just a little philosophical nonsense from your friendly James Bond fan! Oh, and thanks for that wonderful post, The_One. Just please tell me you haven't named yourself after Neo (joking)?!? I agree, BLaCKouT_1138, this has turned slightly anti-James Bond. Ah well, I don't care. I like 007, I love "Die Another Day" and I'm happy with it. If other people don't like it, I'm not going to ram it down their throats. That would just be mean... plus, have you tried swallowing a DVD whole? Painful and messy, that's what I say. Where are those men in white coats? Time for my medication, I feel... PS: BCanr2d2, Sean Connery is overrated. He is a brilliant actor, and brought a class to the role of James Bond, but just because he was the original doesn't make him the best. Both Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan have out-performed Connery in the role of 007, bringing a much better performance all-round in their films. Connery is good, but not good enough to be the best Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 Originally posted by The_One The Matrix falls into this trap. They come up with what is, in fact an unoriginal story - watch "Dark City" (a brilliant film), it seems they extracted the plot from there. All they had left to do was hire a load of "actors" whose names people would recognise, stick them in the film and then add a bunch of special effects. Bam! You have a movie. Strip out the special effects, and what are you left with? Not much. I must say, Dark City was an excellent movie, absolutely gripping stuff. When The Matrix first came out, I could see the similarities very clearly, problem was it completely phased out DC cos of the special effects. I'd go to my friends at school "Don't you think The Matrix is a lot like Dark City?", and they're like "Dark what?" Problem is, in this day and age the only films that would sustain a place at the top of the box office charts with three films running are action movies. It is what attracts viewing audiences nowadays. How come all the good with good storylines and acting are never recognised, and the so-called blockbuster movies are always in the public eye? Cos publicity is everything today, good plots don't matter. This is true for many films, but personally I believe The Matrix is an exception. Yes, it uses Hollywood movie actors, yes, it uses rediculous sums of money on special effects, yes, it is designed to get to number one at the box office. But the difference is, it pulls it off oh so well ^^ I believe The Matrix to be a truly revolutionary concept in science fiction. Maybe a lot of the themes were borrowed from Dark City, but it expands on the idea on a such greater scale, the sort of scale needed to make it a huge movie. And it was not made by some clueless directors. The Wachowski Brothers are true science fiction geeks (lol, like many of us ^^) who just wanted to portray their vision on the silver screen. And I thank god that they did, as the film was incredibly enjoyable ^^ In the end, there's not much anyone can say against The Matrix. In terms of story, it introduced (or in Dark City's case, developed) an original idea of the future in a science fiction world. It broke boundaries in terms of special effects and CGI (bullet-time?! Infinitely awesome XD), and has succeeded in setting a benchmark for all future science fiction films to be judged by. I am a Matrix fan, people, and I am proud:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scabb Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 The Matrix is a simple sci-fi film coupled with some great action scenes, which is why it is popular. Like most of todays blockbusters it shows little character development and the dialogue is often laughable. The themes and ideas suggested in the Matrix have been about for a while, albeit in a different form. It is not entirely original, it simply takes the concept of us all being "puppets" and adds lots of kung-fu and sunglasses. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, and perhaps it was thought-provoking and amazing to those underinvested in philosophy, but It's hardly the most intelligent movie on the block. It's simply mindless action taken to a new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 Dark City - it's very true what you said about developing the idea Darklighter - even though you thought you knew what was going on, who saw the ending coming? That is just one of the greatest endings of a film ever. In fact I've got myself so excited, I might grab my old VHS of Dark City Also, just to clear up, my name is from Babylon 5. Whilst I had that thought in my head, something dawned on me - I don't know if any of you have ever seen Babylon 5 all the way through, but the story of that particular sci-fi series wipes the floor with pretty much every other sci-fi series on television and film. I can only think of a few that rival the scope of B5. Admittedly, you can accomplish a lot more in a series than you can on film - but still, there are many sci-fi films out there that give a great deal in the story telling department. Most of the sci-fi "greats'" book adaptations spring to mind. Modern sci-fi seems to be written by people who live in Hollywood and know what will sell in bucket loads, without any consideration for thoughtful story telling. *Insert The Matrix*. You may think, "yeah, but The Matrix has a good story idea and lots of hidden symbolism" - but it seems to stop there, far short of what I consider good sci-fi. I challenge you to pick up a book by Philip K Dick, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke, Alfred Bester or George Orwell and tell me they do not shrink The Matrix to the size of a deformed pea. Matrix: nice idea, but been done before and not executed very well - no way near enough depth. I'm sure if they had sacrificed some of the special effects time and fleshed out and developed the story more I would like it hell of a lot more than I do. But this is all just opinion. I have been spoiled by brilliant science fiction stories, and The Matrix is just far too bland in my opinion. If you are coming in as a lover of simple screen told sci-fi stories then I'm sure you'll love it. I, on the other hand, don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 Originally posted by Die Another Day PS: ET Warrior, Doctor Christmas Jones never says that last quote, and what's stupid about saying "Someone's tampered with the bomb!" when someone really had (Renard removed half of the plutonium)? Ah, she didn't say the EXACT quote, but when they first show up when Bond is about to kill Reynard, she says SOMETHING like "I talked to him but he's not nuclear physicist" I haven't seen the movie in awhile, and I've not seen it enough to memorize it. And ALSO, as I said in my post, it's not the actual line itself, it's the way she delivered it. It was probably the most poorly delivered and completely laughable line that I have personally ever heard in a movie theater. NOT joking. Although that line itself was really stupid, as Bond had JUST said. "Someone's stripped the screws" And she says "Somebody's tampered with the bomb" No s*** somebody's tampered with the bomb if the screws are stripped. I watched Die Another Day again last night at the drive in, and there is ONE part that just...REALLY bothers me about it. It would've been a great film if it hadn't been for that part where Bond surfs using a piece of that rocket car and the parachute. The conept itself was stupid, and it looked TERRIBLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 While I'm not about to start slagging JB, I've got to say that one of the bits about DAD which made me chuckle was the bad guy (my sincere apologies but I can't remember his name). Firstly he sets up this "Death Star" to fire at the Earth from space, thus ripping off Jedi as well as Austin Powers. Then he's wearing his 'electricity suit' that just stinks of Emperor Palpatine!! And I can't remember the exact line he delivers but it's ridiculously close to "Soon you will see the power of this fully armed and operational battle station". I take it these references were intentional. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Obviously alternate thinking isn't your forte then, Die Another Day? The sad truth about 90% of movies, TV and music is that it made to appeal to the lowest common denominator, made to appeal to the largest possible audience, regardless of quality. What any Bond movie may lack in CGI, it makes up in the use of pyrotechnics and explosions..... Also many people find it easier to have an idea or image thrown at then, than think when they read a book. Movies have got to a level that there are always scenes relatively pivotal to it that have to be given the flick, since they don't make good watching. For 5 minutes of explanation of the plot, they'd prefer not to have a reviewer write "this part wasn't very good".... Today's it's quantity over quality, and I pick the Matrix over the flood of formulaic movies that exist. Not every movie I see I dissect to millions of pieces, some are just there as a visual splendour, others have a good story, rarely do they have both. After all, movies are a visual medium, so they have to appeal visually to those that watch them. If you want more detail, then read a book that has an untold amount of pages to give you the detail, or allow you to get a picture in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Drink some of my Blue Milk, get (re)loaded and go see it. It is a big deal, trust me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Originally posted by scabb The Matrix is a simple sci-fi film coupled with some great action scenes, which is why it is popular. Like most of todays blockbusters it shows little character development and the dialogue is often laughable. Most of today's movies show little character development. If you want character development, read a book, or turn off your computer for a while. Where do you find the dialogue laughable? The themes and ideas suggested in the Matrix have been about for a while, albeit in a different form. It is not entirely original, it simply takes the concept of us all being "puppets" and adds lots of kung-fu and sunglasses. Bingo. And that's what make's it so good. With all those sunglasses, trenchcoats and kung fu, it's almost as if it's trying too hard to be cool. If any other movie did the same thing, we'd call it a rip off now. But the matrix can make these things look cool. The thing about the Matrix is that has both kung fu and philosophy, and it delivers it in a very stylized way. I can't blame you if you don't want any of that, though. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, and perhaps it was thought-provoking and amazing to those underinvested in philosophy, but It's hardly the most intelligent movie on the block. It's simply mindless action taken to a new level. Right again. The new level is what the crowd wants. The directors have crammed so many religious and mythical referrences into it that you can spend months just working it out. While you can certainly say it wasn't very thought-provoking to you, the movie does explore some deep philosophical issues. And it does so while looking cool as hell. Which is why we love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 lol, Die another Day, you have an allie in me mate (btw Bond ROCKS!!!) Seriously though the peeps on this board turned me off the matrix at least six months ago, there were countless matrix threads - so many that I had made my mind up never to see this new film well before christmas. It was matrix this.. Matrix that... matrix bloody everything and frankly it made a film i could quite possibly have enjoyed an utter annoyance. It was doing my head in, this was sposed to be a starwars forum?!?! But hardly anyone talks about starwars here... For the record:- Die Another Day was a damn good bond film, you gotta love that A M L Vanquish - cooooolness on 4 wheels, and i spose Miranda Frost aint bad either anyways welcome to the boards fellow bond enthusiast and check out the senate chambers:- theres some wicked threads in there if you like to debate stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holo-Sidious Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Oh, I wish I could have been here from the beginning, but as I've just walked in, I'll have to make up for it in this one post. ET Warrior - Ah, ET Warrior, you always did have a knack for rubbing people up the wrong way. Doctor Christmas Jones was a well-acted, well-thought out Bond girl, and a credit to The World Is Not Enough. As for the kite surfing scene in Die Another Day, the computer graphics HAD to be used because it was impossible to actually film something on that scale, plus it was an interesting and fun way of escaping an impossible situation. BLaCKouT_1138 - I've never heard of you, but you just seem to have misread the villain of Die Another Day - the chilling Sir Gustav Graves, or more commonly known as Colonel Tan Sun Moon of the North Korean military. Firstly, if anyone has ripped-off the idea of putting a giant laser in space, it's George Lucas. The Bond film Diamonds Are Forever, which featured Blofelt's large satellite created of diamonds blasting missile sites on Earth with a laser beam, came out years before Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope and the Death Star did. This was another 40th Aniversary easter egg contained within the 20th Bond film... not a rip-off of Star Wars or Austin Powers, which we must all remember is a James Bond spoof. As for the line "Now you will see the true power of 'Icarus'!" uttered by Graves as he targets Bond, this is meerly emphasising the fact that Graves managed to get 'Icarus' into space because it isn't just a laser: it's an artificial sun which hides the true function... the laser. Jah Warrior - What does A M L stand for? I'm guessing 'Aston Martin Lagonda', correct? The company name is just simply Aston Martin when placed before the name of a car type, so you should realy type 'Aston Martin V12 Vanquish' instead. Just a little helpful hint to prevent otherwise confusing mistakes. Die Another Day - What can I say? A man after my own heart! Aside from being one of the biggest Star Wars fans in Great Britain, I absolutely love James Bond films, and I thought that Die Another Day was brilliant. As for your stance on The Matrix, this is where I must beg to differ: those films are near-perfect in every department, and deserve every bit of hype and exitement that they are getting from the world. They are the next generation of science fiction tales, and the only good science fiction film series to look forward to apart from the upcoming Star Wars - Episode III. Everything else died a long time ago... in a galaxy far, far away (apologies for the pun, but I had to). A round of aplause for The Matrix Reloaded! The_One - I must congratulate you on being a man of reading! It's amazing that people can still find those authors you mentioned enlightening in this day and age, when everyone is surrounded by mindless computer games and action films. Continue reading, and well done! I really must go now, but remember... I am always watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Originally posted by Holo-Sidious What does A M L stand for? I'm guessing 'Aston Martin Lagonda', correct? The company name is just simply Aston Martin when placed before the name of a car type, so you should realy type 'Aston Martin V12 Vanquish' instead. Just a little helpful hint to prevent otherwise confusing mistakes. well excuuuuuuse me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Well, well, well, if it isn't Holo-Sidious. Haven't seen you in AGES. I'm really not sure how you can say that Denise Richards was a talented actress. She delivers her lines with all the conviction and certainty of a dead fish. TERRIBLE And i know they had to use the CG for that part in DAD, but they shouldn't have put that part in. It was so ridiculously stupid they would have been better served to have James grow wings and fly away. But then again, you've always been a big bond fan, what with your OTHER accounts, like Commander Bond, Golden Gun, you're a silly guy holo-sid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Eggplant Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 People They are Just Movies! well...well...well what a tempest in a UK tea cup. I grew up watching Bond movies still do. I saw the last one. and comparing movies of different gendres is like apple\orange. I have seen all the bonds including David Niven\Peter Sellers one. George, Rodger, Dalton, the guy now can't remeber his name Remington Steel guy. anyhow they are fun, good stunts but you know what your getting. bond always triumphs evil is banquished bond has sex. etc. really not too taxing on the brains synapsis. also nowhere near realisticc as to spy industry now, then or ever. good documentary on Ian Flemming once shows what real spy stuff was. I like Sean Connery as bond. did not mind timothy dalton or george lazenby. like new guy can't remeber name it is embarrasing. however... spy and sci-fi not the same pidgeon and bond is recycled. (badly sorry to say) not in bad way but in honest way all cars have rockets and stuff all bad guys always tell you their fiendish plots all evil women sleep with bond all good girls sleep with bond bond plays bacarak bond drinks martini (never anything else) bonds flirts with money penny money penny has wet dreams about bond Q say funny things Q gives equipment bond breaks it bond shows no respect for instructions etc.... diamonds are forever deadly space thingy golden eye deadly space thingy moonraker different deadly space thingy this latest one deadly space thingy and russians bad rusians bad ooo new enimies evil korea and arabs bad *but working along side russians no doubt* now the Matrix I like it A LOT but if someone hates it I won't go ga wa fa over it. you don't like it you don't like it it isn't realistic fine Neo is a geek fine Trinity isn't hot.... well those are fighting words:D anyhow Matrix fans beware one day Matrix may suffer worse fate than Bond ever did. bond got turned into austin powers bad sequel movies maybe we will be seeing or our kids Matrix Mouse on the disney channel. so chill one and all it was a question. I like matrix so much that I let it stand alone it doesn't need me to defend it. Bond is Bond like it love it just don't get too carried away over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Originally posted by Holo-Sidious BLaCKouT_1138 - I've never heard of you, but you just seem to have misread the villain of Die Another Day - the chilling Sir Gustav Graves, or more commonly known as Colonel Tan Sun Moon of the North Korean military. Firstly, if anyone has ripped-off the idea of putting a giant laser in space, it's George Lucas. The Bond film Diamonds Are Forever, which featured Blofelt's large satellite created of diamonds blasting missile sites on Earth with a laser beam, came out years before Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope and the Death Star did. This was another 40th Aniversary easter egg contained within the 20th Bond film... not a rip-off of Star Wars or Austin Powers, which we must all remember is a James Bond spoof. As for the line "Now you will see the true power of 'Icarus'!" uttered by Graves as he targets Bond, this is meerly emphasising the fact that Graves managed to get 'Icarus' into space because it isn't just a laser: it's an artificial sun which hides the true function... the laser. Yeah alright mate, I'll give you that one, and I stand corrected. Obviously, I didn't know those details. I wasn't making a harsh criticism as such, it's just something that made me chuckle as I was watching the film (in the cinema I might add, I don't hate these films you know!). And yes, I know that Austin Powers is a very blatant pi**-take of JB, that's what made that aspect of it even more amusing. I'd also like to state one more time that I didn't enter this thread to slag JB off, I came to try and justify the Matrix. Something that not many people have chosen to do unfortunately. Tch. Peace out, B. EDIT: Listen to Eggplant! He knows what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Originally posted by Die Another Day "The Matrix" may well be science fiction, but it's still set in this time period. Erm, no; Morpheus already tells Neo this in the first movie. He's not sure about the exact date, but approximates it to about 200 years from now. But that really is irrelevant, because if our world today in 2003 was a computersimulation then the point of technological capability in the illusion that is the Matrix need not have any relation with the capability of the real world...In the real world the first microchip could have been made in 1803. The machines could plant any version of world history they wanted to into the Matrix program. As for the idea of the world being a grand virtual reality being too far fetched? Prove to me that it isn't so. And if you're gonna argue that you KNOW it's real because you FEEL it, then answer me this: How do you know what REAL feelings are like if your whole life experience with them all were machinemade? The idea of creating virtual realities that comply to all your senses, not just visually and audibly, is far from farfetched. What you simply do is pluck in an input/output signal carrier into direct connection with you central nervous system and sense faculties of the brain, so that all outgoing and ingoing signal to and from your brain goes to and comes from the computer simulation instead of to your body parts. What you need in order to make the simulation 'real' is a program that can translate these signals both ways and the processing power to keep it as virtually real to the subject as possible. Morpheus isn't lying when he says, that what we perceive with all 5 senses are electrical signals interpreted by our brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Oh please...do we really have to get into a philsophical debate over what "real" is? You can debate this forever - but I think the way Dark City pulls it off is far more clever than The Matrix's interpretation. The idea of it being a computer program is a bit of a cop out, as you can easily explain everything. Whereas in Dark City, the whole film is a quest to find out what this "reality" is - and boy is the ending great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Originally posted by The_One Whereas in The Matrix, the whole film is a quest to find out what this "reality" is - and boy is the ending great Yeah, my sentiments exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 my opinion, for what it's worth: 6/10 Rather disappointing, quite long and dull in places. Special effects were very good, but the action scenes never really seemed that exciting, and there was definately nothing to match the classic matrix moments like the lobby scene, or the slow mo helicopter crash. There was more plot and less action than i expected, but the plot didn't make much sense, there was almost no movement, no character development and many of the new characters weren't explained at all. Oh, and the ending sucked... i guess it leads on to the next one, but hardly a thrilling cliffhanger or anything. Some good bits, but not as good as x-men 2. oh, and i liked the original, even if i didn't think it was the all time classic everyone on the net seems to think it was. Die another day, hmm, the first half was one of the best bond films for years... about half way through it started to morph into a sucky generic hollywood action film with terrible sfx and i actually came out of the cinema thinking it sucked. in hindsight it wasn't that bad, but i really hope they don't make the next one the same CGI generic mess and bring back the cool stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais Yeah, my sentiments exactly. I agree with Jais on this one......The Matrix DOES have an amazing ending......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted May 28, 2003 Author Share Posted May 28, 2003 My word... whoever you are, Holo-Sidious, you can come and argue for me anyday! Although you like "The Matrix": big mistake! Ah well, each to their own, eh? Alright, toms, almost every single stunt in "Die Another Day" was done for real. The only CGI one was that infamous kite surfing scene that ET Warrior seems to hate so much. The second half sucked? So you're saying the car chase on ice (and inside the Ice Palace) sucked, and the sword fight between Bond girls on the Antonov sucked, and the way in which Bond finally killed Graves/Moon sucked? Fair enough, but I thought they were some of the strongest points in "Die Another Day". Oh, and Darth Eggplant, in three films Roger Moore drinks burbon, not Vodka Martini's, and 007 frequently enjoys champaign as well. And I can't remember Bond himself playing any type of card game in the last three films (Elektra King plays blackjack in "The World Is Not Enough", but that's it). Anyway, I feel this has spiralled downwards into a large argument over the Bond franchise and "The Matrix" and it's huge popularity with some people. I just wanted to know why people loved "The Matrix" so much... ah well. See ya round, guys. Time for me to drive off into the sunset behind the wheel of my invisible Aston Martin with my tongue down a Bond girl's throat (I wish). Have fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 I'm a bond fan but DAD (die another day ) was way over the top... Critics have allways said that the special effects became more important than the plot and blah blah blah, but I agree on them when they say DAD was too much... And Aston Marton Vanish, *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 Im a huge bond fan. Lets put it this way, this is the first film i haven't run out and bought on video/dvd the day it came out. I thought the opening sequence rocked, the bad girl and the main villains were quite cool and the plot was pretty good. The swordfight between bond and graves was brilliant. Then about half way it morphed into a bad XXX copy. Stupid invisible car that didn't make sense and was used in a stupid way, halle berry as a really limp Wai-lin rip off who couldn't be a tough cia agent if her life depended on it, bad cgi (halle diving backwards off cliff, kite surfing, plane disintegrating), silly sci-fi elements that took away from the usual bond realism (some form of silly robotic glove, full vr simulator, invisible car), a good fight between bond and graves that had to be intercut with a pointless (matrix rip off) fight between the girls, a bad cgi plane that took about 12 hours to disintegrate and crash. Worst of all, no use whatsoever for moneypenny except to completely distroy the relationship between her and bond for the sake of a silly joke. Bond for 12 year old maerican boys... As for the matrix.... i guess if you gave me a big budget and told me to make the ultimate "cool" movie i would have had john woo style slomo gunfights, black leather, hong kong style fights, terminator/anime style scifi plot and a propellorheads/rage soundtrack. in fact, i would probably have made the matrix (except maybe without keanu).... it is a compilation of all the cool bits from other films (a bit like goldeneye was for bond movies) so it isn't suprising people thought it was cool and amazing. I just think it isnt quite as cool and amazing and original as people who haven't seen the source material (john woo, jet li, anime etc...) seem to think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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