Matt-Liell Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by Boba Rhett You see that she *is* naked but you don't see any of her, "parts", except maybe the side of her upper thigh in one shot. Ok, stupid friend I think he saw what he wanted to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by Matt-Liell Ok, stupid friend I think he saw what he wanted to see! Teenagers:rolleyes: *is also one* Know how ya feel:p;) I'm gonna skillfully avoid all these flying spoilers, and get the hell outta this thread! *runs and trips* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 I have a brief correction for you Rhett, Neo is actually only the 6th version, like the guy said, there were 5 other versions, and all the other "Neos" started to say what version they supposedly were. And in regards to the sex scene. The only real nudity we see is of Neo's crack, which I wouldn't want to see anyways. I felt the Zion celebration dragged on to long, as well, as some of the philosophical jargan like in the end with the father of the matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted May 17, 2003 Author Share Posted May 17, 2003 Eldritch beat ya to it, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Yea, well, I was probably watching Matrix Reloaded for the 2nd time in 3 days when he corrected ya :) Yea, I saw it on Wednesday, and my girlfriend and I saw it tonight. Did anyone notice though that the Katana was missing after Agent Thompson jumped onto the rig where Morpheus and the keymaker were? They did a flyby, but I didn't see it on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Yea, well, I was probably watching Matrix Reloaded for the 2nd time in 3 days when he corrected ya :) Yea, I saw it on Wednesday, and my girlfriend and I saw it tonight. Did anyone notice though that the Katana was missing after Agent Thompson jumped onto the rig where Morpheus and the keymaker were? They did a flyby, but I didn't see it on either side. Actually, I posted that correction after I had already seen it a second time, so I beat ya there too, Andy-man. I saw it Wednesday night, and then Thursday around noon. Personally, I thought the movie was great... I love all the philosophical discussion, particularly with the Architect. They really put you in this movie, and I don't think most people (or critics) understand that. The Architect essentially says to Neo, "some of the things I tell you, you may not understand," then goes and rattles off words that most people have never heard in regular conversation before. Just one example. Oh, I also highly recommend buying Enter the Matrix, as it does more than just fill you in on backstory. Besides the great story, it's an awesome game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 OK I saw the movie last night and well... I dunno what to think of it... Some of the action scenes are pretty sweet and I'm sure the Burly Brawl (I believe that's what it's called) is a classic scene already... But I didn't have the same excitement as in the lobby scene in the matrix 1, that's too bad! And all those questions, wtf! This is the 6th time someone like Neo tries to destroy the matrix, but it never happened and Zion has fallen for 5 times? Well that indeed WOULD mean that Zion is also located in some sort of Matrix, *sigh* It would also mean that Neo HIMSELF is nothing more that another program in this Matrix. So in revolutions they are trying to get to the other matrix :confused: Listen I liked The Matrix because of it's story and the actionscenes. Reloaded had the action scenes (freeway roxx!), but the story sounded too 'far fetched' (hehe for as far as that can happen in a sci-fi movie)... When Neo stopped the sentinels and went into a coma I really was kinda dissapointed and I had that feeling, afterwards, that I wasn't excited, but full of unanswered questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 But that was the whole idea of ending the movie that way. People are meant to leave with unanswered questions, hence the reason why The Matrix: Revolutions is being released in November of this year, and not May of 2004. The problem with people going to see the Matrix Reloaded is that they have this oversized idea of expectations that this movie will somehow blow the first Matrix to smitherens. Which could or couldn't happen. Introducing bullet-time into a movie like the Matrix was superb. Definitely made the movie what it is today, and how in 2002, more than 20 films had copied the idea of bullet-time in one way or another. People really need to get into the habit of NOT watching any of the trailers or previews, and just go into the movie as if they had never seen anything like it. And never saw the first Matrix as well. That was my take, which is why for the most part, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Hertog, to leave with so many unanswered questions is what I believe what the movie is meant to do........ They started to show this Matrix in a Matrix kind of thing, with Neo seeing things from inside the Matrix, ie Trinity's fall, along with Smith going into the "real" world, and Neo doing his "The One" impression, along with the powers in what is meant to be the real world.... That harks back to the first movie, that the world has the wool pulled over their eyes, including us who watch them. Not until Neo stops the sentinels do you really think that "Since when can he do that outside of the Matrix?" and all the different connotations of what this real world is. Just when you thought that you understood what the Matrix was, and Neo's role in it, they say "I don't think so" right at the end... As for the movie, everyone liked it for the original idea and orginal use of bullet-time. Of course the sequel will not be as original, but I think it is a lot better than the first one in so many ways. It has some great action, and about 1000000000000000000 unanswered questions... Oh, and I'd like to be able to make that Cake!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic Jedi Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 And I would be happy to eat that cake! Wait... maybe I wouldn't... uh oh... *Code explosion* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 *sigh* yes... don't misunderstand me please, I like the movie, but I'm not sure whether I like the questions that remain or hate them... I think that the effect of this movie is going to surprise everyone... I didn't read one review that mentions all those questions, do these guys actually see the movie?? Or only the fight scenes?? It sure makes me eager to look for the answers... I guess we are what Neo was in the beginning of The Matrix: a person dying to find an answer to the question 'What is the Matrix?' For now, I'll say I liked the movie, but please give us a good answer in the final movie!! There musn't be things that are skipped in any way! I want to know who and what the twins are, about the french guy, what smith is, what the oracle is, what the architect is, what neo is, what the 'real world is', how to bake that cake etc... I WANT IT ALL!!! But I fear they are going to screw up the final movie... please don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 My GOD! I'm reading posts with SO MANY spoilers!!! Why dont you put them inside the spoiler thingys? Or at least warn us???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Because I want a thread where we can discuss the movie freely!! Please can someone add [spoilerS!] to the title of this thread?? If no-one does, I'll have to post everything between spoiler tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan Because I want a thread where we can discuss the movie freely!! Please can someone add [spoilerS!] to the title of this thread?? If no-one does, I'll have to post everything between spoiler tags WEll, to post something in between spoiler tags is NOT hard, unless you call 1 extra click of a mouse button hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 But then we'd have a thread full of big white boxes I think ppl who haven't seen the movie just shouldn't come here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan I want to know who and what the twins are, about the french guy, what smith is, what the oracle is, what the architect is, what neo is, The twins are deleted programs in the matrix.....while we are unsure of what program they were initially, we know that they chose to remain in the matrix instead of returning to the source for removal. The french guy is the same...just a different program. Smith is unplugged from the matrix because of the way that Neo destroyed him in the last movie. The oracle is also a deleted program in the matrix...while we know she is NOT the mother of the matrix, as the Architect made apparent, she is PROBABLY another method of control, meant to bring Neo in to the Architect so his code could be re-assimilated. The architect is the creator of the matrix.... Neo is the one, an occurance caused by the sum of a remainder of an inherently unbalanced equation in the matrix, that, despite the architects sincere efforts, has not been able to be corrected. All of those were answered in Reloaded.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Nicely put ET Did you write that all down when at the movie? I remembered everything else but what Neo was, it was to long and I couldn't say it back except that he was a anomally. I didn't bother with the questions that were presented to me in the movie. I just came up with new one's and I just let my imagination fly away so right now I am thinking there are so many possibilites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by Ratmjedi Did you write that all down when at the movie? I remembered everything else but what Neo was, it was to long and I couldn't say it back except that he was a anomally. No, didn't write it down.....I saw it for the second time last night, and it sorta stuck with me, the way that the matrix is all just a big equation and neo is just the remainders that couldn't be calculated....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 OK... So there are multiple programs in the Matrix that were supposed to be deleted... But they refused, so in a way they're rebellions too! Still, the system doesn't sent agents to kill them! I believe they're still working for the system then, after all, Merovingian (hehe I hate that name) has captured the keymaker and he's holding him. And Neo isn't a program, but a human? I thought the architect said the one was meant to be, so they could test the system?? Could be my mistake though. And is there really another matrix, that the rebels in Zion perceive (hehe great word did I use it correctly?? ) to be reality? Well thx for all your answers, but one very important question remains... How do I bake that cake?? I know I could make a lot of girls happy with it :hearteye: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Hertog, The system does want them deleted permanently, and will use agents to do so (just like that one agent tried to with the Keymaker). The Merovingian I don't believe is a deleted program, just an old program. As for Zion being in some other part of the Matrix... well, I don't think that's true, because it'd be too much of a rip-off of the movie The 13th Floor. If you watch it, you'll see what I mean, and I give the Brothers "W" more credit for creativity than that. I do have a lot of religious friends that INSIST to me that this movie is totally based on the bible, though. And forget about the cake. It's unlikely you'll be able to make such a cake in your lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic Jedi Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan Well thx for all your answers, but one very important question remains... How do I bake that cake?? I know I could make a lot of girls happy with it :hearteye: You could annihilate the coding of a lot of girls with it. Let me guess, you'd use it to delete their inhibitions? That's creepy! PERVERT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I saw the Matrix. It was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Actually, I don't think that the Oracle is a deleted program, since that french guy said now since you are good at following orders, here is one from me. Go back to the Fortuneteller and tell that her time is almost up. which means she is still active in the system, just un hiding because of the enemies. But I do believe when the Architect said that she would be its mother, I do think he was talking about the oracle, because like he said, the other 99% of test subjects just accepted the programming that way it was, but she was different, and helped make it different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan So there are multiple programs in the Matrix that were supposed to be deleted... But they refused, so in a way they're rebellions too! Still, the system doesn't sent agents to kill them! I believe they're still working for the system then, after all, Merovingian (hehe I hate that name) has captured the keymaker and he's holding him. And Neo isn't a program, but a human? I thought the architect said the one was meant to be, so they could test the system?? Could be my mistake though. And is there really another matrix, that the rebels in Zion perceive (hehe great word did I use it correctly?? ) to be reality? I dont believe that they are working FOR the system....but they're not working AGAINST the system. And the agents could have a really difficult time killing them, especially ones like the Twins, and it could end up being more of an effort than it's really worth, because they're not actually causing the system any trouble. The fact that the Merovingian is holding the keymaker also insinuates that he is NOT working for the system, because the agents were trying to Kill the Key Maker. Neo is certainly a human, if he were a program then he would not have been able to be unplugged from the matrix and roam around the "real world" Although whether or not it's really real is up for debate........ The one isn't so much meant to be, as he is something that happens and cannot be stopped, but they can anticipate it and therefore control it......except that Neo chose not to do what was expected of him. I think that the Merovingian IS a deleted program, because the matrix wouldn't bother keeping around an old program that serves no purpose.....and if he DID serve a purpose then he would be invisible and you wouldn't even know he was there. Thus I believe he was deleted but chose to remain in exile instead of returning to the source. That was long.....and now, for another topic of interest to me... This is about the Oracle.....is she good? or is she just another method of control? After the first movie we all assumed that the Oracle was intending to help the humans and Neo. Then when Neo meets with the Oracle in Reloaded and she gives him the advice she does, I still assumed she was trying to help. But then after Neo talked to the Architecht.....I have to wonder....her Prophesy was apparently a lie, intended only to lure Neo to the source so his code could be reassimilated into the matrix and Zion destroyed and rebuilt by new people from the matrix. Therefore, the Oracle seems to be bad. BUT, we've seen that the Oracle knows what Neo's decisions will be, and that he's already made his decision and his purpose is to figure out why he made them. So the Oracle reasonably SHOULD have known that Neo would choose NOT to be reassimilated, and choose to to save Trinity.......risking the extinction of the human race.....but still possibly saving all humans from their enslavement. So is the Oracle just another method of control? Or is she looking out for the humans on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I think I'm beginning to understand what the architect meant. He said the one will choose 23 ppl I believe: 14 women, 9 men or something. Those will be liberated from their slavery and they will build up a new Zion... But it's still weird that the system WANTS a new Zion. Maybe because the rebels can show the weaknesses in the Matrix?? As for the reason why Neo stopped the sentinels; we'll have to wait And I believe the oracle is good, but she is used by the system; just like Neo is being used by the system so they can discover new weaknesses. But I don't know it for sure And I would use the cake for good purposes Many women have to fake orgasms (hey not with me of course ) and now they don't have to!! Isn't that worth fighting for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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