XERXES Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 first of all nobody needs to say the books are better or blah or what, we know I just wanted to express my opinion aboot this upcoming movie. *spoilers for those who have not read(the white spoiler box isnt there...weird)* First of all of course since it never happened at the end of The Two Towers (because they went to Osgiliath for some...weird reason, and then that random Warg attack...). I am expecting the opening to be the encounter with Shelob. Now what I am afraid of is this...Peter Jackson will make the Battle of the Pelennor Fields aproximately 75% of the movie. I believe he will do this (75% is only a slight exageration) because if you have read TTT you know that the Battle of Hornburg (Helms Deep...it aquired that name in the movie for some reason too) was about half of the running time of TTT yet it was only a few pages in the book. Considering the Battle of the Pelennor Fields is a LOT of pages in ROTK, I think that Jackson will make this battle on screen waaayy too long and not leave time for Aragorn and the Path of the Dead and for Sam and Frodo at the very end. I doubt we will even get a chance to see Pippin and Merry's individual "quests" from the books. =\ I just hope he doesnt butcher the way the story is told, it seems like the book itself could be directly put onto screen with little or no changes easily and itl still work well. This is arguably Jackson's versions of this epic story...but I dunno if I have the patience to watch one battle scene that is ridiculously long. I understand how he made TTT, it seems like it was the best way to do it. The book is told in two seperate stories and the only way to "convert" that was to weave the two seperate stories together. Anybody else have any comments?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 well, i was a little dissapointed by the trailer (unofficial official one) and i have absolutely no idea how he wants to put ALL the battles in there:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawBag™ Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 You have to understand that not everything can be put into the films. Hence the reason for the extended DVD's being released. I thought that TTT wasn't as good as FOTR, but the main focus of the films is about the ring, and Frodos' journey. I don't think Jackson will include the Paths of the Dead. It has little to do with the above. (Unless you have read the books). The whole point in the adaptations is to tell the main story as entertainingly as possibly, and filter out as much of the things regarding to Tolkiens 'invented history' as possible. Face it, this film will be the icing on the cake. Just sit back and relax. (With a good book - I recommend The Lord of the Rings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 i think jackson has been doing an excellent job, but he has a terribly difficult task for the third film as there are a hell of a lot of important things for him to add in, not to mention the ones he didn't put at the end of TTT. Its going to be hard for the film not to seem very similar to TTT with another big battle in it. Plus i don't know how he will deal with the march to the black gate. I suspect that these 2 final battles will be combined into one. I didn't like TTT quite as much as FOTR, and i prefered the extended cut of FOTR to the theatrical. On the other hand, i hope he doesn't add a lot of pointless stuff to TTT extended cut just bacause he feels he has to. ROTK on the other hand seems to me that it will DEFINATELY need the extended cut to fill in everything. I would think that with the success of the last 2 he might have the luxury of making ROTK even longer, as it it the final film and he already has a big fan baase who are going to watch it whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|GG|Carl Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Well, BigTeddyPaul told me that they would take away the funniest part of he book; The part when the hobbits gets back to shire, and Saroman and Wormtounge has taken over it. REALLY BAD! But, Frodo sees this in galadriels mirror in FOTR, doesn't he? So, maybe this will be on the DVD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legameboy Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Well, they will have the Paths of the Dead, the dead are a nice part of the Battle of Pellenor fields, AND I read this at http://www.theonering.net (they are mostly reliable). Also, according to an interview with Elijah Wood, this film is going to be like a war movie. Which makes me kind of sad, the books were much more more than just a war movie. Anyway, I'm certianly going to see it even if they don't include some important scenes (I'll just critisize them to death (joking)). I'll just wait to buy the Extended DVD after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 war movie eh? Better get some asprin before I see it then =\ also, what is the deal with these said "extended versions" seriously, are they just another way for them to rob you of your money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 the extended editions are made to compliment the theatrical versions, they make the movie more like the book while the theatrical versions are made to keep the movie at a steady pace which is why most of the scenes from the extended editions are removed from the theatrical version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 so basically its another DVD you gotta buy that has a ridiculous cost yet its nearly the same as my FORT regular dvd? edit: Why didnt Jackson just put the deleted scenes on the regular DVD in like a Deleted Scenes menu like 50 million other DVDs. But guess not he hadda make an entirely different one that way his profit from DVDs would double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 none of the extras from the regular dvd appear on the extended one they are all new features with a new version of the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 yes but...I've noticed the extras on the regular DVD all draw from the same interviews. I wouldnt be surprised if the newer extras used the same interviews as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 well i know that the extended edition has a lot more behind the scenes stuff like animatronics that were used in planning the movie and stuff like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khier Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I could be wrong, but isn't the extended version of FOTR like 40 minutes of deleted stuff? I think it's because considering that it's already 3 hours long, audiences wouldn't want to be sitting for nearly another hour in a theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Originally posted by Khier Serakk I could be wrong, but isn't the extended version of FOTR like 40 minutes of deleted stuff? I think it's because considering that it's already 3 hours long, audiences wouldn't want to be sitting for nearly another hour in a theater. I think that with each new movie that is big, they purposely make it longer than the last. Just think, we are complaining about these 3 hours epics now...in 5-ish years we will be complaining about 5 hour epics in the theaters, lol. It is all a conspiracy to rob us of our time! Seriously look at Finding Nemo, its a long movie as well. My gf made me take her to see it (and yes I liked it, despite my excuses to not go) and the kids in there started getting really antsy towards the end. How could disney expect kids to sit still that long. I think its all pointing towards the conspiracy, getting the kids used to sitting for ridiculously long movies at a young age. So it seems like ROTK will be a "Saving Private Ryan in medieval style" cool, but that means I gotta buy more asprin >_< btw the conspiracy stuff was a silly joke, but what if its true!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 well the extended edition of the two towers will be 222 minutes which is 3 hours 42 minutes (thats long) goes and loses time watching fotr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 The extended version of FOTR had an extension to almost EVERY SCENE in the film, plus a number of new scenes that were highly important in to book. Apart possibly from the Aragon singing bit i would say that every new scene they added was one of the scenes i came out of the cinema wishing they hadn't cut. It is all re-edited together, with an entirely new score. So it would never have worked as deleted scenes. Hell, the entire opening introduction to the shire is totally different with a voice over by Bilbo rather than Gandalf in his cart. Oddly, although it is longer, i found it seemed shorter... must be the new pacing, or the fact there is more stuff packed in. Also, it is split over 2 dvds, and then you have 2 dvds of extras. And they are all decent extras, unlike the promotional crap they included as extras in the 1st release. My only worry is that i can't think of many important points that were missed out of TTT, so im not sure what he is going to add to the extended cut. (Except more ents ) I just hope he doesn't feel OBLIGED to add stuff that isn't needed, just to please a studio who want to sell lots of extended cuts. Just because te extended cut of FOTR was way better than the theatrical, doesn't mean the extended cut of TTT has to be. THe directors cut of T2 was excellent, but the directors cut of aliens sucked and totally ruined the pacing of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I like watching the entire extended versions of LoTR. I don't see why people complain about the time. If the movie is entertaining you won't even realize how much time has gone by. That's how I feel when I watch LoTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legameboy Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 ^Excactly!^ I love the Extended DVDs, they have so much stuff (I haven't seen all of it yet) it'll keep you busy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Saw the first LOTR. Hated it. I never saw the Second one. I mgiht rent the DVD or soemthing, sometime. Same with the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 wow that is the first time i have heard somebody say something bad about fotr, i thought it was great but everybody has their own opinion, i personally cant wait for return of the king to come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Originally posted by The Cheat wow that is the first time i have heard somebody say something bad about fotr, i thought it was great but everybody has their own opinion, i personally cant wait for return of the king to come out Yeh.. I just found it boring... *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 well everybody has their own opinion, i couldnt get enough of lotr when i saw the first, i was dying to see the last two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 Jackson better not add the Shelob scene in as an "extra cut" for TTT. It needs to be in the regular storyline so that we know why Sam is having to drag Frodo to Mt. Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Originally posted by XERXES Jackson better not add the Shelob scene in as an "extra cut" for TTT. It needs to be in the regular storyline so that we know why Sam is having to drag Frodo to Mt. Doom. If PJ did that, I would not even bother seeing the movie. Instead I would create a life-size Peter Jackson doll and stab the hell out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 its odd to remember now, but when i first saw FOTR i didn't really like it. Luckily a week or so later i was stuck in a hotel on my own on a business trip with nothing to do and everything else looked aweful so i watched it again. LOVED IT. Im not sure what changed, but it is now one of my favorite films of all time. Maybe it just takes a while to grow on you. My housemate found it boring too. I can see why some people might not like it, it is fairly slowly paced... and in these days of non stop action films anything with even a moderate pace can seem slow (eg: The Hulk, or try watching any OLD action film. After 10 minutes you will be wondering where all the explosions are... Ironically, i expect most of the people who found FOTR boring would have liked TTT, as it was much faster in pacing, with a fair bit more action. Almost more like a war movie. But of course my housemate refused to see it as she hadn't liked the 1st one. Me, i actually prefer the slower pace of the 1st one, as it gives more of an epic, unique feel to it. But that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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