Natty Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Replace the mods except for Neil. Make NiKo, Murta and gb122 mods. Now we're all happy. Oh and BTW, I know me and raVen didn't always get on, but I thought he was fabulous. Maybe it's because he has an opinion the mods don't like him. Figures. The mods hate anything they don't agree with. I wonder who the real childish people are? The forum members, or the mods who ban or close down anything that doesn't interest them/involve them directly or they find interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Yes, we're all complete and utter Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by Redwing D) lots of happy fun witty and/or pissy supermods, mods, and Carl Shutt I have never been happy, fun, witty or pissy. And Carl Shutt? I don't know what that is, but i'm sure I'm not one. Seriously, I don't hate y'all, I'd just a feel a whole lot better if some of you were dead, that's all (it's a joke, deal with it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 I think Niko said it best. A lot of us are escapemi-ers and, frankly, we know how great the old times were. There wasn't just strict "close this topic" and "move this topic" rules back then. Then we knew the mods and supermods, and we all were friends. The harbor was founded for non-Monkey Island things, even if that includes bitching about Tekken 4 or posting something about MI5 despite the fact that theres already a subcategory for it (oh wow, what a concept...posting where people actually VISIT) Niko's right, this is a damn forum. Not some remote country. We don't need this kind of government in a place that promotes off-topic talk! I mean, come on...let's face it, THE HARBOR IS DYING!!!! Why? Because we can't post anything we want in it anymore for fear of getting our topics closed!! When the harbor was alive there WAS spam. TONS OF SPAM!! Tons upon tons upon TONS of topics that you mods and supermods think are spam and you know what? We liked it. Hell, we LOVED it. That's what the Harbor is about. If you let spam stay spam, and let off-topics stay here, then we'll have posts upon posts in no time. And wanna know what else? We'll like it. Hell, yeah, we'll LIKE it. This is a message board, it shouldn't feel like Nazi Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Guybrush122 I think Niko said it best. A lot of us are escapemi-ers and, frankly, we know how great the old times were. There wasn't just strict "close this topic" and "move this topic" rules back then. Then we knew the mods and supermods, and we all were friends. The harbor was founded for non-Monkey Island things, even if that includes bitching about Tekken 4 or posting something about MI5 despite the fact that theres already a subcategory for it (oh wow, what a concept...posting where people actually VISIT) Niko's right, this is a damn forum. Not some remote country. We don't need this kind of government in a place that promotes off-topic talk! I mean, come on...let's face it, THE HARBOR IS DYING!!!! Why? Because we can't post anything we want in it anymore for fear of getting our topics closed!! When the harbor was alive there WAS spam. TONS OF SPAM!! Tons upon tons upon TONS of topics that you mods and supermods think are spam and you know what? We liked it. Hell, we LOVED it. That's what the Harbor is about. If you let spam stay spam, and let off-topics stay here, then we'll have posts upon posts in no time. And wanna know what else? We'll like it. Hell, yeah, we'll LIKE it. Which is all well and good for the escapemi regulars, but it makes these forums completely uninviting for everyone else. These aren't the escapemi.com boards, and the mods are under no obligation to pretend like they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Carl Shutt Which is all well and good for the escapemi regulars, but it makes these forums completely uninviting for everyone else. These aren't the escapemi.com boards, and the mods are under no obligation to pretend like they are. No, the escapemi.com people have always welcomed new people, take a look around, there's been plenty of newbies who have came along since the merge which everyone has welcomed with open arms. It's trolls like you who never have anything nice to say about other people and mods who close down basically everything that make the harbor an uninviting place for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Neil Joshi I have never been happy, fun, witty or pissy. And Carl Shutt? I don't know what that is, but i'm sure I'm not one. Seriously, I don't hate y'all, I'd just a feel a whole lot better if some of you were dead, that's all (it's a joke, deal with it) Well lordy, you know generalizations never really work out...even if they're as good as mine You only think you aren't a Carl Shutt. But eventually, you will need to face the truth, and embrace the Carl Shutt within... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Natty, you are a complete spanktard. I never suggested the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner towards new posters. But when faced with the overwhelming amount of spam and whiny, teen-angst bullshit that makes up the Harbour, any intelligent person is going to run a mile. The very existence of the Harbour is driving people away from the MI forums, it is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Hang on...I must be missing something..... ....I didn't hear her say you were suggesting the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner... .....I though she just said the escapemi forums were welcoming and that she thinks you are a Troll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Carl Shutt Natty, you are a complete spanktard. I never suggested the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner towards new posters. But when faced with the overwhelming amount of spam and whiny, teen-angst bullshit that makes up the Harbour, any intelligent person is going to run a mile. The very existence of the Harbour is driving people away from the MI forums, it is as simple as that. I've seen this argument over and over again, and it still doesn't make sense to me: the Harbor drives people away from the MI forums. When you guys visit a new website and look up the forums, do you actually make some kind of judgement call as to whether or not the topics posted are good enough for you? If you see that the off-topic forum has 'welcome back' and 'I'm leaving' threads, do you actually say to yourself, 'Well, this place is beneath me--I'm off to Snob.com?' Well, that seems like sound reasoning to me. I do know this much. When I check out a new forum, and I see a bunch of threads closed--that chases me off. (Sometimes.) Closed threads send a warning bell to any forum-lounger that the forum has problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 ....what's a spanktard by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 While you boys and girls are busy pissing in each other's Cheerios, can somebody please tell me how a thread like this is supposed to help anyone? What does this topic benefit other than the 3 of 4 members posting in it? To anyone on the outside, there is nothing for them to participate in. The purpose of an online forum is to post a topic that others can participate in. I realize that not all boards function the same way. Hell, I would love it if you all came over to my forums, I allow swearing, spamming, pretty much anything, but that is there, not here. They have chat rooms and IRC channels for this sorta thing, come on...it's just common sense. An online discussion and an AOL chat room should not be the same thing---ever! Besides, the thread is still open isn't it? And for the record, I started coming here, because I see alot of really cool people posting here, and it's a wonderful escape from the terrors of jk.net. We recently consolidated all the forums in the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series, and nothing has really changed other than color patterns. And since you all hate Star Wars so much I'll quote Grand Moff Tarkin; "This bickering is pointless." This stuff happens on every single message board I ever posted on. Somebody get's his/her thread closed, post edited, post count nuked....whatever. And no matter what the cercumstances were, the mods are always the Nazi meanies, and the spammers are the freedom fighters defending the rights of spammers posters. Why should this forum be any different than anyone else? Why is that Harbour members are the only ones that think they are treated unfairly? What? The Harbour and Monkey Island forums are the only boards that ever merged? I just don't get it. Maybe if they did their job from the start then none of this would have happened... Please define what YOU think their job should be, I would LOVE to know... As a side note, I think all your arguments would hold up better if you would stop saying things like "The XWAer's this", the "Aresener's that", this discussion reads like a bloody social studies project. Calling each other names, such as trolls, Nazis, spanktard....whatever. Please be civil eh? If you are all as mature as you say you are, why do you fail to demonstrate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit I've seen this argument over and over again, and it still doesn't make sense to me: the Harbor drives people away from the MI forums. When you guys visit a new website and look up the forums, do you actually make some kind of judgement call as to whether or not the topics posted are good enough for you? If you see that the off-topic forum has 'welcome back' and 'I'm leaving' threads, do you actually say to yourself, 'Well, this place is beneath me--I'm off to Snob.com?' If I visit a new forum for the first time, and find it to be filled with nothing but vacuous crap, then yes, I'll go find another forum. What part of this are you having trouble understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Yeah....I'm mystifed too as to how the forum itself can drive people away? Is it possessed or something? The fact is that poor moderation is what makes the forum so bad, not the moderation itself. The moderators have the power to shape the content without offending people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Common sense as usual Darth....I'm in full admiration of your peerless people skills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Dude, could you give me a couple of eamples of crap posts, and a couple of examples of posts that you would find interesting....for the record.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Was it really necessary to post three consecutive messages within the space of five minutes? The "edit post" button is there for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Okay, this is the kind of crap I'm talkin about. Roy tords, why the hell do you have to post 3 seperate posts in the same damn thread one after another. If you didn'tthink of something before and no ones posted after you yet, the edit button can be your best friend. is a post count that important to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Groovy As a side note, I think all your arguments would hold up better if you would stop saying things like "The XWAer's this", the "Aresener's that", this discussion reads like a bloody social studies project. Calling each other names, such as trolls, Nazis, spanktard....whatever. Please be civil eh? If you are all as mature as you say you are, why do you fail to demonstrate it? Oh, c'mon. This whole thing IS a damn social studies project. I mean seriously, step back and look at it for a moment. This all came of merging a bunch of different communities into one, all of which hate each other's posting style, with a bit of outsiders coming in to shoot their own mouths off. Just replace "communities" with "countries" or "tribes", and "posting style" with "religion" or "culture" and bingo! Social Studies project in the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Neil - if you hurry up and release your fantastic new guidlelines/findings whatever you want to call them, then we'll all know what we should be striving for. I've never had a problem posting like this in any other forum anywhere, but if it's a problem here so be it....I'll remember to edit more carefully. Carl Shutt, my deep thinking fellow poster - would you be kind enough to do me the great honour of letting me have a couple of examples of what kind of posting you would say falls into the "vacuous crap" category, and the "acceptable post" category....I'd appreciate the views on this matter from such a well respected member of the forums..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend Neil - if you hurry up and release your fantastic new guidlelines/findings whatever you want to call them, then we'll all know what we should be striving for. I've never had a problem posting like this in any other forum anywhere, but if it's a problem here so be it....I'll remember to edit more carefully. Carl Shutt, my deep thinking fellow poster - would you be kind enough to do me the great honour of letting me have a couple of examples of what kind of posting you would say falls into the "vacuous crap" category, and the "acceptable post" category....I'd appreciate the views on this matter from such a well respected member of the forums..... Do you think hounding Neil Joshi is going to get you results overnite? He said he was working on it, give the guy a break eh? Look at it from Neil's prospective, he has the people he watches over and cares for in one corner, and the admins and supermods he has to answer to in the other corner. Trying to keep everyone happy in a position like that is an exercise in futility. Just be glad her cares so much. I clearly remember suggesting a stuck list of guidelines a while back and I was shot down in flames for it. Now you want one...ok! Also, what do you want Carl to do? Draw you pictures? It's not rocket science, it's a online discussion group. I would venture to say that if you Google search forums and visit some other boards, you'll pick up on it in no time. Better yet, just take a visit at some of the other boards on LFN other than just Monkey Island, and that should suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyTordesLegend Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Groovy - no intention to hound Neil - just a bit of friendly prodding....perhaps I should have remembered to include some:- 's As for drawing pictures - I KNOW what good interesting posting is..... ....I'd just like to know Carls definition, because and no offence to Carl, but I find that some of his threads are the ones I would tend to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Neil Joshi Okay, this is the kind of crap I'm talkin about. Roy tords, why the hell do you have to post 3 seperate posts in the same damn thread one after another. If you didn'tthink of something before and no ones posted after you yet, the edit button can be your best friend. is a post count that important to you? err.. as you may have noticed.. roy is NOT a post count poster .. he's "still" under 300 which is farfarfar away from my pc .. groovy: Originally posted by Neil Joshi No seriously, i've talked it over with the other mods, and we've gcome to a desicion. all that roy did is he asked for THIS decision they've come to.. he didnt asked for particular details just for the the main thought they got during their speak over .. CARL: *shakes head* you still never answer to the raised questions .. .. would you be so kind and stay ONTOPIC instead of just barking njiengnjiengnjieng's in??? (just like i just did, btw .. ) which is by the way the way some mods in here still do? Neil: tell us about the main character of your (the MI-Mods team) descision .. and then later tell us the details.. Roy Tordes Legend .. use that darn edit button .. please .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Well these things take a great deal of time. First of all they have to come up with a list, edit, re-edit, then edit again. Then they have to sugar coat it so that all the members won't feel like they are being ruled with an Iron fist. Then once they draft up the rules, they have to come up with a set way of dealing with each problem. We have a similar guideline at Jediknight. For example, there are different standards. For some violations, it is an instant ban, like porn links, Warez and leaked Beta links. Then there is the spam and flaming guidelines. Members have to be warned an undisclosed amount of times, then further actions need to be decided on. Then they have to find a way of keeping track of who was warned, who was banned, the length of the ban...etc, etc, etc. Sometimes when new games come out, rules have to be modified to deal with the traffic flow of new members. I can't give you any specific details, but I ASSURE you they are working on it. They just cannot say anything until it is all final and approved, or else it could lead to disaster. How would you feel if we posted a rule, and then changed it tomorrow? It would piss you off, it would piss anyone off. They have to think these things through carefully before anyone can make it official. Making a decision is only the first step in a very long process. Not to mention, all of us mods, supermods, and admin have lives, jobs, school, and some even have families to care for as well. Please be patient ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Carl Shutt If I visit a new forum for the first time, and find it to be filled with nothing but vacuous crap, then yes, I'll go find another forum. What part of this are you having trouble understanding? Well, first,.. the MI forums are MORE than the Harbor. It seems to me that it would be easy to post to any of the other forums and never set foot in the Harbor. If somebody REALLY wanted to take part it seems to me that ignoring one forum out of all the ones here shouldn't be that big of a hardship. I also have trouble understanding the part about how if there are no topics posted that you approve of or want to talk about, why you don't start your own threads! It's easy to sit back and say "Nobody ever talks about anything interesting" but if you're not in there starting conversations about things you care about, or steering open threads in a direction you find more stimulating then it's all just a case of sour grapes. Be a bit pro-active. Otherwise people are going to talk about what's important to them, and if it's something that doesn't interest you, then you're stuck out in the cold. If a thread does come up that you approve of, show some positive reinforcement by jumping in and participating, or even (God forbid... ) offering a bit of praise to the topic starter. Positive reinforcement can be a powerful tool Carl. Instead of always pointing out all the negative things you don't like, how about pointing out some of the positive parts of the things you do like? You just might get better results that way... Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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