Mo Goya Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 There is a new law in Illinois called no child left behind. IT IS SO DUMB!! It states that by the year 2014 (right date?) 100% of students will pass the ISAT tests. If the schools dont then they get a warning. And if they still dont then they have to set up one on one tutoring for the students who didnt pass. If they still dont then all of the faculty is fired and replaced. First of all where are they gonna get the teachers to replace them? They dont even tell teachers what questions more most frequently missed so they can improve. So how do they expect schools to get 100%? Well, a lot of you might not know what I'm talking about but tell me what you think of it. My science teacher was telling my class about it and it interested me and a lot of other kids too, so I thought it might interest you guys too.
Alien426 Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Hmm, guess a lot of teachers will play it safe and put 'bad' pupils into special schools / schools for mentally handicapped children.
SamNMax Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 I too live in Illinois and I was thinking the exsact same thing.
Guybrush122 Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 been in New York for a while. i think its shameful what this law upholds.
Skinkie Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Aren't they trying to make that a national law or something? I know its supposed to be a big thing in the upcoming election.
DrMcCoy Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 i'm soooo glad that i don't live in the states...
Reaper Girl Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Horray for the American System! (making no sense since 1776!)
Yufster Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 I love America! But that's still stupid. I have a million arguments against it, but I'm wayyy too lazy to type it all out.
Remi Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Yeah, it's a retarded sets of laws that Dubya is trying to get implemented on a national level. Basically what they're saying is that every kid should perform above average, which is like... impossible... Another part of it is that teacher's will get result-based pay. That in effect means that teachers will be forced to teach according to narrow, standardized tests and not to wide, general knowledge. The American education system is going down the crapper.
Mo Goya Posted March 25, 2004 Author Posted March 25, 2004 I love America too but this law is really dumb. I dont even know where they think they are going to get the tutors for the students who dont pass. Also, if they fire all the teachers where are they going to get qualified ones? They dont. They get really desperate teachers who stink because there is such a lack of teachers. That will just make things worse.
Remi Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Well, the No Child Left Behind thing won't really fire anybody, though they might do paycuts if the teacher doesn't show "improvements" with his or her students.
Mo Goya Posted March 25, 2004 Author Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by RemiO Well, the No Child Left Behind thing won't really fire anybody, though they might do paycuts if the teacher doesn't show "improvements" with his or her students. Well, I thought they said they would "let go" (thats fancy talk for fire) all of the faculty if they dont do well after they do tutoring, or thats what my teacher told us.
Ernil Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Another part of it is that teacher's will get result-based pay. Good Lord! Competition? What is capitalism coming to?
Remi Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Ernil Good Lord! Competition? What is capitalism coming to? Uh, yeah, if you're gonna gonna take what I said out of context, that might be a way to look at it.
Skinkie Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 WHEW OUT OF CONTEXT!!! Go America. ...Wait a sec, I'm a product of this education system....
Ernil Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Uh, yeah, if you're gonna gonna take what I said out of context, that might be a way to look at it. Well, your topic at the moment was the failure we get when we motivate teachers. It...it...it fits like a puzzle piece.
Huz Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Mohhh, worst ever. I can't laugh too loud though, the UK has been Dumb Idea Central for the education system in recent years. :<
DrMcCoy Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 well... it's not so good here in germany either... in this PISA thingy we were at one of the last...
Alien426 Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Doesn't necessarily mean the education system is fúcked up, could be there are just a lot of dumbasses. Seriously, what I think is that our kids are spoiled. The Germans and Americans get everything served in their mother-tongue while people in Finland have to cope with English TV program, games etc. (little is translated for them) and Canadians basically have to understand English and French. Both rooled at PISA...
Remi Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Ernil Well, your topic at the moment was the failure we get when we motivate teachers. It...it...it fits like a puzzle piece. I will re-iterate: "Another part of it is that teacher's will get result-based pay. That in effect means that teachers will be forced to teach according to narrow, standardized tests and not to wide, general knowledge." I feel sorry for you if I need to explain to you why that is not a good thing.
ptdc Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Well it's a sad fact that children are being taught not to learn things that might actually help them at some stage in their lives or careers, but to pass tests.
RicardoLuigi... Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 this has to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard of. of course, i ace the isats every time, so i don't have a problem with it no, just kidding. but that's just dumb. i guess all the teachers are gonna be working at mcdonalds *shrug*
Huz Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Originally posted by Das Mole i guess all the teachers are gonna be working at mcdonalds *shrug* Then that means the people currently working at McDonalds will have to.... oh man!
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