ptdc Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Today I sat down and completely restructured the html and css for my site. I wrote many hundreds of lines of code until I looked at it in my browser and truly it was a thing of pant-creaming beauty. I carefully uploaded it and validated the css. Then as I unleashed my creation onto the world, I find it doesn't work in IE. It works, it just doesn't look anything like it's supposed to. So, why is this. It's because IE is quite frankly ****. On top of poor support for standards, you have outdated poor support for standards. CSS makes it easier to maintain sites, create complex layouts and do things that would be hard or impossible to do any other way. Unfortunately most of the people browsing the web put up with limited css support and table based websites because they're too lazy/stupid to install a real browser. I haven't even started to mention the other reasons why IE is terrible (terrible, terrible). So why don't you go and do yourselves and everybody else a favour and install firefox today .
Huz Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 LINUX! Lots of Windows updates released today for right-thinking Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and Windows XP users, by the way. Install them or weep at a later date. Still, LINUX!
ptdc Posted April 14, 2004 Author Posted April 14, 2004 Is great, I know. But what are you huz? Lazy, stupid or perhaps just stubborn?
Thrik Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Indeed! Internet Explorer users are treated to a "GET FIREBOX" button on thrik.net, and rightly so.
Remi Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Strangely enough the same link appears at http://www.remi1000.com. ;D
Thrik Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Indeed, as it was graciously stolen without any prior permission or consent! ;D
Alien426 Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Strangely enough there is no "GET FIREBOX" button on PCgameScore.de. Makes one think... Maybe to some users the Firefox browser still feels kinda awkward. Maybe some people think that the browser that is used by most people is some kind of standard, instead of a standard that a doubya consortium decides on.
ptdc Posted April 14, 2004 Author Posted April 14, 2004 There used to be a get firefox button on my site too, but I haven't put it back after the redesign. Also my site works in ie now after fiddling with the css and adding the alpha png fix.
Feral Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Downloaded it after thois thread broke the camel's back with barrages of insistence that I do. And I must say, it is better than IE. Don't delay like me. Get it today!
Alien426 Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Or try MyIE which spares you the trouble of finding the right extensions for tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, drag&drop...
ptdc Posted April 14, 2004 Author Posted April 14, 2004 You seem to have missed the point that the ie engine is TERRIBLE. Also, it's not exactly hard to go to the extension site and download a few plugins. MyIE is as bad as normal IE.
Benny Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 The Benster recomends Avant Browser, I prefer it to MyIE
Remi Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Avant is memory leak central, and it still doesn't fix the horribly outdated IE engine.
James Isaac Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 What's the difference between mozilla and firefox? i'm confused
Remi Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 The Mozilla browser and Firefox are two different browsers using the same engine. They're both developed by the Mozilla foundation. Firefox and Thunderbird (the mail client) are supposed to replace the Mozilla suite in not too long. The final versions of those apps are supposedly going to be ready this summer.
Thrik Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 By all means Alien426, continue using the IE engine, with its outdated CSS1 support and total lack of inherent support for png image alpha layers. IE may have the dominance right now over the internet population, but bear in mind that it is essentially running on technology that is years old now and doesn't support a lot of things that should have been supported properly years ago. People are beginning to realise this, mind. I checked a statistics table recently and mozilla users have jumped from around 3% to around 13% in the past few years. Look down on that statistic as you will, but that is thousands and thousands of users. It can only gain momentum as those people spread the word. Hopefully IE and it's lackies will be knocked right down in the next few years. Yarr.
Alien426 Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by ptdc Also, it's not exactly hard to go to the extension site and download a few plugins. But what is hard is to find the extension that does what you want. If somebody directs me to all the extensions to get full MyIE functionality I will happily use Firefox. Until that time I just can't be bothered. Half-arsed, huge tabs that can't be dragged, you can't drag links to open in a new tab... What can I say... I'm spoiled.
Thrik Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Typing "firefox extensions" into google isn't hard. The first result (on texturizer) has pretty much every extension you'd ever need, including "Tabbrowser Extensions" which contains said drag/drop functionality, dragging links into new tabs, reordering, saving tabs when you close down, etc.
ptdc Posted April 14, 2004 Author Posted April 14, 2004 Every time somebody puts up with using ie or even worse enjoys using ie, a kitten dies. Do it for the kittens.
Kjølen Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 I Proudly say I've been using Mozilla FireFox 0.8. I also say that FireBird 0.7 was a bit more stable than FireFox, oddly.
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