RpTheHotrod Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Someone in Arizona wrote this. "Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Arizona is wierd then, I've never had a problem with kids in prayer here. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. I don't think studying the Bible is against the law, it's when it's taught in school...much as it would be if Witchcraft was taught. Although the author's lack of respect for other cultures discredits his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 When I was in school, I got reported to the office for merely having a Bible in my posession at school....and that was....like...maybe more than 10 years ago? I'm 20 now. and he probably means...if such "evil" things (satanic) stuff is allowed, then why isn't a good thing like the Bible allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troopr-Undr-Fir Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Well I agree with you for the most part. It is silly that they have to take away something that helps some. But there entails the indifference with what you are questioning...it is only for some. Not everyone is the same. Even though myslef I don't have a problem with it. Hell I even go to church when something that hurts me inside happens. Makes me feel better. But it is not for everyone. And if you are in school where there are so many diverse "clicks", you are bound to find someone who dissaproves. Although I do remember the Cristian Atheletes club. My friends were in that. So peeple will find a way. EDIT: Now that I think of it, the club was after school. So I guess that has to do with it :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod and he probably means...if such "evil" things (satanic) stuff is allowed, then why isn't a good thing like the Bible allowed? On the other hand, what happens if people that worship such "evil" things calls the Bible evil too? That's the reason why the Bible and other religious icons aren't allowed at school, since it's too easy for those conflicts of beliefs to turn into violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 MeH.... TiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 A "belief" of killing people and blood sacrifices calling a belief of good and honesty evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod A "belief" of killing people and blood sacrifices calling a belief of good and honesty evil? I meant the "Totem pole" from the poem which repesented the Indian culture and religion, you dolt. By the way, I don't neccessarily disagree that the Bible is bad for it's knowledge, just proving a point which I should probably keep in where the sun doesn't shine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Weird. CREEPY. Gothic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 "Dear God, Why do you allow such violence in our schools? Why do you let kids shoot each other in our schools? Love, Concerned Student." "Dear Concerned Student, Because I am not allowed in the schools. Love, God" I read that on a T-shirt once. It brings up a good point. Here's one thing I don't get: Many Atheists don't approve of "God" being in the pledge of allegance, yet I hear them say "God Dernit" (so to speak) all the time. If you don't believe that God should be mentioned, don't say that either! Ahem. And if people are true christians, Tyrion, then they would have read the part in the Bible that says "Love thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill" and "Do unto others" etc. Many people miss that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I read that on a T-shirt once. It brings up a good point. Here's one thing I don't get: Many Atheists don't approve of "God" being in the pledge of allegance, yet I hear them say "God Dernit" (so to speak) all the time. If you don't believe that God should be mentioned, don't say that either! Ahem. It's a figure of speech. Kinda like saying "Holy crap!". Do I believe there's a pile of crap somewhere that is holy? No. And if people are true christians, Tyrion, then they would have read the part in the Bible that says "Love thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill" and "Do unto others" etc. Many people miss that part. Which is my point. I wouldn't mind Christian zealots in the schools so I can beat them up into bloody pulps without fear of boldily harm to one's self. But there's too many "christians" that believe it's cool to beat up Muslims or Satanists or Hindus...it'd open up a can of worms that would be a mess to clean up. Yes, I'm kidding about the first part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 you can just imagine the geeky-wannabe-young republican with no mates sitting there writing that in the hopes of getting a bit of publicity in the local paper (after sending it in himself i expect...) I can't believe that there are many people in america foolish enough to not manage to grasp the reason for trying to seperate religion from government or education. If there are then they just need to look at many other countries in the world (including the middle east) with religious governments and education systems. Or those scenes of rioting protestors and terrified kids trying to get to school in northern ireland a year or so ago. Talk about intentionally blinding yourself... Now if they would just try to get corporate sponsorship out of schools too then we might have a chance.... We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Talk about one of the most unchristian paraghaphs ever written... Don't US schools finish at like 2pm anyway? why not just go to an external religious club if that is your bag? baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverhoodian Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Being a Christian myself, I really don't have much of a problem with limiting religious practices in public schools. It goes back to the separation of Church and State, one of the factors that has helped make America the strong republic that it is. After all, Christianity is by no means the only religion out there. Think about it. If only Christians were allowed time to pray and read the Bible in school, it would be discriminatory against other faiths. Schools would have to give every religion, be it Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, etc. time to pray/chant/meditate. Heck, some atheists might even want to be given time to "not believe." Since some faiths have customs/beliefs that may offend other religions, it would only create tension and divide the student body. The fact of the matter is that schools were built to teach students valuable knowledge and practical skills, NOT to be a center for spiritual fulfillment. That's what churches are for. If people want to pray, they can do it on their own free time. My high school had a pretty good way of dealing with this. They didn't care if you wanted to practice your faith as long as it wasn't during class time. Some of my teachers brought up such religious figures as Jesus and Mohammed during class discussions about human behavior. They wanted to point out that they had some valid points concerning how we should treat others ("thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"). They even allowed the Jesus Club, a Christian school club, to have service every Wednesday during lunch. They just never tried to convert anyone to anything, as it is not their job to do so. I guess the important thing to keep in mind is that public schools aren't trying to abolish faith. They're merely trying to ensure that it stays a learning environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Blackrose Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 [bI read that on a T-shirt once. It brings up a good point. Here's one thing I don't get: Many Atheists don't approve of "God" being in the pledge of allegance, yet I hear them say "God Dernit" (so to speak) all the time. If you don't believe that God should be mentioned, don't say that either! Ahem. [/b] Tyrion said it's a figure of speech, when it is in fact used to put an emphasis on the word "dammit!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by Neverhoodian Being a Christian myself, I really don't have much of a problem with limiting religious practices in public schools. It goes back to the separation of Church and State, one of the factors that has helped make America the strong republic that it is. After all, Christianity is by no means the only religion out there. Think about it. If only Christians were allowed time to pray and read the Bible in school, it would be discriminatory against other faiths. Schools would have to give every religion, be it Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, etc. time to pray/chant/meditate. Heck, some atheists might even want to be given time to "not believe." Since some faiths have customs/beliefs that may offend other religions, it would only create tension and divide the student body. The fact of the matter is that schools were built to teach students valuable knowledge and practical skills, NOT to be a center for spiritual fulfillment. That's what churches are for. If people want to pray, they can do it on their own free time. My high school had a pretty good way of dealing with this. They didn't care if you wanted to practice your faith as long as it wasn't during class time. Some of my teachers brought up such religious figures as Jesus and Mohammed during class discussions about human behavior. They wanted to point out that they had some valid points concerning how we should treat others ("thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"). They even allowed the Jesus Club, a Christian school club, to have service every Wednesday during lunch. They just never tried to convert anyone to anything, as it is not their job to do so. I guess the important thing to keep in mind is that public schools aren't trying to abolish faith. They're merely trying to ensure that it stays a learning environment. Other religions are allowed.....at least where I live. Just Christianity is banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legameboy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I thought that was a really great poem. In my high school, every religon is allowed except Christianity. *sigh* It makes me sad, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Do Catholics count? Click Here TiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 finally they're making progress. It was almost gone in france in the revolution...only what could be proven was to be believed Jesus was just the first houdini...id want a tshirt saying that and millions followed like chicken that silly jesus... christianity not allowed? You mean you get interrogated "Are you Christian?" and if yes, banned from the school? fire in the disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverhoodian Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Originally posted by Alegis Gensan Other religions are allowed.....at least where I live. Just Christianity is banned. Oh. That puts things in a little different light. It's probably because Christianity is the most prevalent religion in the United States. Christianity, like it or not, is often the religion that gets the most flak because of its prevalence. Given the changing demographics in the country, however, people might start raising a fuss about other religions. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod When I was in school, I got reported to the office for merely having a Bible in my posession at school....and that was....like...maybe more than 10 years ago? I'm 20 now. and he probably means...if such "evil" things (satanic) stuff is allowed, then why isn't a good thing like the Bible allowed? I've gotten slapped by one of those mini bibles by a christian fannatic before. It stung like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Originally posted by RoxStar I've gotten slapped by one of those mini bibles by a christian fannatic before. It stung like hell. The Word can have a profound impact on one's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 It did too. I don't mess around with him anymore It was my friend so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kale Jerre Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Originally posted by Neverhoodian Christianity, like it or not, is often the religion that gets the most flak because of its prevalence. Exactly. When was the last time a Taoist, 'Satanist' or Wiccan appeared on TV like Oral Roberts (or his many clones) and asked for $2 million or his/her deity, etc. would call him/her home/to Hell, etc.? Let's be honest here--Christian religions are very keen on conversion. A school should be a seat of learning, not conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [unintelligent comment] that "pledge" is crap.[/unintelligent comment] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow_Nest Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Uh weird pledge. My cousin's school's song is even weirder, there are some parts in the song which uses the phrase "we are bright and gay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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