adillon Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 count dooku (as darth tyrannus) is sidious/palpatine's apprentice ... we see that near the end of AotC. it's determined in the same movie that count dooku was once qui-gon's master. we also are aware that qui-gon is the one who 'found' little anakin skywalker, recognized his strength in the force, and more or less had him brought into the jedi order. and as will be shown in RotS, anakin will become palpatine's personal bodyguard, further progressing his journey to the darkside. i find these relationships and sequential events a little too coincidental. do you think, that at some point along the line, palpatine was able to forsee the future, plant some kind of seed in dooku's head, who was then able to influence qui-gon? had qui-gon actually been contacted by palpatine, and killed (by maul) in order to keep things a secret? or does this 'coincidence' just make for a really kick-a$$ storyline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keestuijp Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 cool theory!!! never thought about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Just about everyone was Palpy's pawn really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 very true, but i'm just curious as to whether or not his manipulation was able to influence people to this extent, and if his plan was set in action while anakin was still a child ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by adillon very true, but i'm just curious as to whether or not his manipulation was able to influence people to this extent, and if his plan was set in action while anakin was still a child ... Probably even before Aniken was born... supposedly Palapatine's greatest power was his 'vision' or his ability to forsee the events to come and plan accordingly, this was hinted at in the OT, and reinforced by his actions in the PT. So basically, you are correct Adillon, with Sideous/Palapatine and his power of foresight, there are no coincidences... "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen." Just my 2 cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by RedHawke supposedly Palapatine's greatest power was his 'vision' or his ability to forsee the events to come and plan accordingly hmmm, so then by that rationale how could palpatine plan to do certain things if those series of events were already unravelling? if he was able to forsee a certain event, something that was destined to happen, how could anything he do possible change its outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Because he was destined to foresee the outcomes to complete the destiny? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 and foresee his own death by darth vaders betrayal :\ Wasnt dooku qui gons apprentice? Dang i mixed them up. I don't think Palpatine foresaw that one... its just destiny/fate whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 i think palpatine foresaw some things, but he obviously didn't foresee vader throwing him down the shaft. and i don't think he had any influence over qui-gon. qui-gon always acted on what he believed in, that’s why he was thought of as a 'rogue' by some in the jedi order. it maybe true that dooku's frustration of the jedi following a corrupt republic may have rubbed off on qui-gon. but it wasn't until qui-gon's death dooku left the order and was then seduced by palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by Siv but it wasn't until qui-gon's death dooku left the order and was then seduced by palpatine. is this true? i tend to think that maybe palpatine somehow got to dooku earlier and started to change him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 well the official story is he left the order and then disappeared for a few years. and it was during those years he was seduced by the darkside. it's all here... http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/countdooku/ however it may be possible that he was up to no good before he left. maybe we'll find out more in ep III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 anakin was set up by the force to be the one to bring the force back into balance. it just ended up doing it in a real messed up way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 in other words everyone was really a pawn of The Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by The Cheat anakin was set up by the force to be the one to bring the force back into balance. it just ended up doing it in a real messed up way. ahh yes, the whole 'bring balance to the force' thing. in my mind, balance can mean being equal on both sides, correct? and there were a helluva lot of jedi in those days, right? well, don't you think that bringing 'balance to the force' is exactly what anakin will be doing with the jedi purge? after all that is done, there will be 2 sith (as always) - sidious and vader ... and at the same time there will be 2 jedi to survive - obi-wan and yoda. sounds like the force is in balance to me, and anakin fulfilled his destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 that's what i thought at first... anakin kills all jedi but two (Yoda & Obi-wan, then Yoda and Luke) which equals the two sith. but then i read somewhere that the darkside unbalances the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiEND_138 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Read or heard the same thing. I could be wrong (& probably am), but doesn't Lucas say something along those lines on the Ep1/2 dvd comentary tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 possibility, I knew I got it from somewhere reliable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 george lucas is a reliable source?! BAH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Balance in the force is when everything is at peace, and to accomplsih that, the dark siders msut be destroyed since you cannot have peace with them around. However, to keep balance, you can never have to many jedi, since they keep peace instead of destroying it. Just my little theory... and foresee his own death by darth vaders betrayal :\ 'I have foreseen it! Hey, 'who's grabbing me? What's happening? What the heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Nothing is ever at peace in reality though. You're saying to achieve balance the entire galaxy much be at peace which is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 13, 2004 Author Share Posted September 13, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver Balance in the force is when everything is at peace, and to accomplsih that, the dark siders msut be destroyed since you cannot have peace with them around. However, to keep balance, you can never have to many jedi, since they keep peace instead of destroying it. for things to be in balance, both sides must have equal 'weight' ... i still believe that anakin fulfilled the prophecy as the chosen one who will bring balance to the force during the jedi purge, since he killed most of the jedi at that time single-handedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwaz Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 balance could not be obtained because even though there was equal amount of jedi and sith the sith had all the power in the galaxy.There needed to be equal power share between the two, which is what happened after palpy died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adillon Posted September 15, 2004 Author Share Posted September 15, 2004 Originally posted by tomwaz There needed to be equal power share between the two, which is what happened after palpy died. after palpatine died there were supposedly no sith left, therefore giving ALL the power to the jedi, thrusting things back out of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Good thinking. I agree and I even suspect that Qui-Gon knew of the conspiracy and that he sacrificed himself. It would seem he had no option but to obey his master, or Palpatine.Still, the good side within him told him to cloak his intentions from his padawan. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelScum! Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Heh, I dunno bout Qui being a pawn of Sidious....But what i think i know is that there woudl be no such thing was the empire if it had'nt been for good ol' Jar Jar. Lol in AotC we see Palpatine and his alien friend say "But what senator would be brave enough to suggest such a (bla bla)" THen the alien guy says "if only senator Amidala were here." Lol and stupid ol' Jar Jar falls for it and asks the senate to vote...Lol im sure the smarter Padme would have seen through that quickly. p.s. I like Jar Jar p.s.s Go empire! :trooper: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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