Curt-Man Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 i don't get it, through out the forums there is minor canada bashing and yet, we allow gay marriages and your are all pro canada? i am straight, and i think no one is born gay or straight it is a thing you learn as a baby, who knows what sparks it but no one is born gay or straight, until you develope an attraction to either gender you're neither straight nor gay. second if gays and lesbians can adopt children, i will be fruious, because thats just wrong. i will post no more so therefore i shall not see what you have to say on my comments, HAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by Curt-Man i will post no more so therefore i shall not see what you have to say on my comments, HAH! Now there's a real crackerjack debating strategy right there. I hope gays and lesbians DO get to adopt children. Why would you deny those orphaned children a home and a loving family just because there are two parents of the same gender? And don't say because a kid needs a mom AND a dad, because if that's the case we better outlaw single parenting too! And outlaw orphans! And kids parents aren't allowed to die anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treacherous Mercenary Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by Curt-Man second if gays and lesbians can adopt children, i will be fruious, because thats just wrong. The result isn't actually bad at all. It can turn out about the same even with normal parents regardless. And even they are more willing to adopt children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior ...And kids parents aren't allowed to die anymore! Don't we all wish that it was not Joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior And kids parents aren't allowed to die anymore! In fact, outlaw dying as a whole! Then we'll all be happy as long as supplies last! batteries not included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by Redwing Go Canada. No, there are not former gays. This is a misnomer created by people who see homosexuality as a "lifestyle" or a "choice". Homosexuality is being attracted to your own gender. With "ex-gays", the gays are still attracted to their own gender, but aren't having intimate relations with their own gender. They are pronounced "cured", and their remaining attractions are just "temptations of the Devil". So, kipper, did you choose to be attracted to women? Are there no former drug addicts? Just because you may occasionally be tempted by something doesn't mean you haven't changed. and yes, Kipper made choices that lead to his gender preference, and he makes choices that keep him that way. We're not being Homophobic, just Heterophilic. One more thing: there is no "separation of church and state" in the US constitution, and there should'nt be. It states that the government will not promote nor discriminate against religion. To change marriage is to promote one group's beliefs, and therefore shouldn't be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat Are there no former drug addicts? Just because you may occasionally be tempted by something doesn't mean you haven't changed. No one is born a drug addict, therefore the argument holds no water. Originally posted by narfblat and yes, Kipper made choices that lead to his gender preference, and he makes choices that keep him that way. So you only become attracted to women when you decide you like them? That's like saying that you enjoy the taste of grass if you decide you like eating grass. Makes about as much sense. Originally posted by narfblat We're not being Homophobic, just Heterophilic. And you can't be homophilic too because...? Originally posted by narfblat One more thing: there is no "separation of church and state" in the US constitution, and there should'nt be. It states that the government will not promote nor discriminate against religion. To change marriage is to promote one group's beliefs, and therefore shouldn't be done. That's what Freedom of Religion is. That means that religious values are not enforced by law. I haven't read the Constitution lately so I wouldn't know if separation of church and state is in it or not, but that is what is guarenteed by Freedom of Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat To change marriage is to promote one group's beliefs, and therefore shouldn't be done. to deny gay marriage is to promote bigotous beliefs and your backward ass thought that people choose to be the biggest target of hate. Comparing drugs and pedophilia to being gay is ****ing stupid. I'm really sorry I started this thread. -_- and no curt-man, I'm not anti-canada. I've always supported Canada, infact for years I've thought about moving there once I get the money. kthxbai. Personally the thought of fat people going at it disgusts the hell out of me, but theres one simple thing I do. NOT THINK ABOUT IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightNinja Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Speaking of documentation, are we forgetting that America is made up of people from around the world? And that the only people originally in America were the indians? And are we ignoring that kipper was talking about debating, which is observed on LF, which is an international forum? Yes the world, it's always been that way, and probably always will be. Yes but in this forums when someone talks about the 'world' he almost always means U.S. And america was made up from people of around the world, but that was around XVIII-IX century so the U.S. is just another country with its own differences, is like taking France(just an example) as 'The World'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothiX Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by JoeBeforeJedi There is a big deference between pedophiles and gays, Gays: Normal people just like you and me. Pedophiles: really weird People. Actually, you're wrong. Pedophiles can be like any other, 'normal', person. In fact, the man living next to me was a pedophile, although he was in therapy for it. I hadn't known about it if he hadn't told me, and he's lived here for 7 years. He was a great man, he helped everyone in the entire street when it came to technical stuff - he was a technician, after all. So no, your statement is utterly biased. Don't get me wrong though, I think pedophilia is a wrong thing, but that shouldn't mean we all go say moronic things about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 One quick comment on something I picked up on before I bug-out of this thread: Somebody brought up the issue of abortion early on, and somebody else brought up not wanting to allow gay couples to ever be able to adopt. So, every unwanted child should be brought into the world... but then the very people who might really want and need to adopt them the most should never be allowed to? *Wanders off to ponder the logic of this situation...* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by GothiX Actually, you're wrong. Pedophiles can be like any other, 'normal', person. In fact, the man living next to me was a pedophile, although he was in therapy for it. I hadn't known about it if he hadn't told me, and he's lived here for 7 years. He was a great man, he helped everyone in the entire street when it came to technical stuff - he was a technician, after all. So no, your statement is utterly biased. Don't get me wrong though, I think pedophilia is a wrong thing, but that shouldn't mean we all go say moronic things about them. call me biased, big deal. but one of my freinds has been touched by pedophilia, so please don?t talk about things that YOU know nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothiX Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Actually, I do, from close experience even. But that does NOT make them weird people, for Christ's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Then I am wrong , they can be great people, but my opinion will be forever colored by my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 *Points to his location* And some people wonder why I would rather pay more taxes and stay here. Now, not trying to burst the "we love Canada" bubble, but the liberal thinking is more locate around the central-eastern regions of Canada. British Columbia elected a christian fundamentalist some time ago(though it has been about 10 years) and Alberta...well, it's the mini-USA. So stay in the east Oh by the way, Saskatchewan has already legalized homosexual marriage too. Separation of Church and State: This is one of the most basic elements of democracy. Good luck when fundamentalists Iranize your country. It'll be fun watching you from the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 About 'gay' being a choice: no. If you suddenly decide to be gay, i think you'd still have trouble bringing yourself to loving a man. Furthermore, if it was a choice,hardcore christians wouldn't ever become gay, yet they do. And i don't see how pedophilia and homosexuality are the alike. Having sex before you're ready is bad. It just is. Having sex with the same gender is a matter of opinion. IMHO it's ok. Go Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I didn't say they chose to be that way, I said they made choices that lead to it. "Born that way" isn't an excuse, as most people can get over depression, anxiety, and many other mental disorders. Marriage belongs to religion, not Government. Therefore any attempt to change marriage is an attempt to change religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat I didn't say they chose to be that way, I said they made choices that lead to it. So I can make choices that lead to my liking of the taste of grass? Originally posted by narfblat "Born that way" isn't an excuse, as most people can get over depression, anxiety, and many other mental disorders. Homosexuality isn't depression, anxiety, or a mental disorder. It's a sexuality. Originally posted by narfblat Marriage belongs to religion, not Government. Therefore any attempt to change marriage is an attempt to change religion. If it belonged to religion and not government, there wouldn't be tax benefits, etc. that comes with marriage. And Canada doesn't force people to perform gay marriages, only those who are willing to. So there's nothing forcing religion to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat Marriage belongs to religion, not Government. Therefore any attempt to change marriage is an attempt to change religion. BS. Marriage is a societal thing. Besides, your religion isn't the only one that has absorbed marriage into it's system. So don't try and make marriage fit your religions rules. kthxbai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 If you were curious enough to try grass, you might find you liked it. If someones curious enough to try being gay, they may find they like it. They shouldn't have tried. Are you sure it isn't a mental disorder? I've heard that gays are more likely to come from abusive families, and they are more likely to be pedophiles. If I published a book and someone changed it and re-published it without my permission, wouldn't it be plagiarism? Religion "published" marriage, and gave permission to copy to anyone who kept it as between two people of appropriate age and opposite gender. Can the government take their "copyright" away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 12, 2004 Author Share Posted December 12, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat Are you sure it isn't a mental disorder? I've heard that gays are more likely to come from abusive families, and they are more likely to be pedophiles. you heard very wrong. Originally posted by narfblat If I published a book and someone changed it and re-published it without my permission, wouldn't it be plagiarism? Religion "published" marriage, and gave permission to copy to anyone who kept it as between two people of appropriate age and opposite gender. Can the government take their "copyright" away? that entire statement is full of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Originally posted by narfblat If I published a book and someone changed it and re-published it without my permission, wouldn't it be plagiarism? Religion "published" marriage, and gave permission to copy to anyone who kept it as between two people of appropriate age and opposite gender. Can the government take their "copyright" away? There's hundreds of those books then, and they all have equal copyright on it. In other words, they each have none. Religion != Heterosexuality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 In my view, the original still owns the rights. I never said Religion = Heterosexuality, I said the religion that started marriage favors it. I'm going to stop arguing for now, because we can argue for years and won't change each other's minds. If I'm bored, I'll return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBob Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Go canada *walks off pondering how severel mods have been in this thread and have not moved it to the senate chambers...then realized how many times and how many topics like it are already there* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 So even though marriage is a human institution that was invented well before Christianity, and is a part of cultures that don't revolve around religious ideals, marriage is still a religious invention? Interesting. In that case, I invented chinese food. and they are more likely to be pedophiles. Nope. In fact, it's the straight men who are the pedophiles. At least more often than it's a gay man. IN fact, there are an awful lot of pedophile straight christians. Just take a gander at the catholic church. (not inteding to slight catholics, but we all know that there have been MANY instances of pedophillia as of late) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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