RC-1162 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 the force is real huh? i only wish it was but i know it isnt.bcuz if it was id get away from this sick&polluted planet and go to dantooine or coruscant using a starship i built using the force to guide my hand with only this comp, an internet connection(using a satellite so i can talk here), my tv , my AotC DVD and my KotOR game and a stolen KotOR II game and bcum a jedi then come back here and slaughter Osama.(kidding abt the osama prt ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 First of all, no flames or name calling, people. This is a warning. If it continues the thread will be closed. I don't see any conflicts on this thread? Do you?? I'm sorry if I was rough, I'll stop being such a grouch. But what is being discussed here has nothing to do with gaining a greater understanding of how the universe works. If anything, its trying to take a concept from a matinee serialish movie and trying to apply it to older mind-power concepts that have no evidence of existing in the first place. Thus, you are in essence reducing your underatanding of how the real world works. Until one of you brings the slightest scientific (i.e. Not some person saying she has it) evidence that ESP, telekinesis, or things of that sort exist, then the discussion mearly degenerates into "I am a Jedi because I say so." Until you are able to show that these things actually exist, then you do not have a leg to stand on. Since Vlad is the one making the claim, it is up to him to provide scientific evidence of such things. You have not done so. Things like empathy can and have been explained in the past using real world principles and observing how individuals interact with each other. You are misinterpreting what the definition of what empathy means, and what the researchers are refering to in the article you quoted. That article shows that your mystic views of empathy are incorrect. The same with deja vu and the like. You are choosing to ignore the actual explanations, and instead apply concepts displayed in a fantasy film. It is all well and good to say that you want to follow the ideals shown in the film, but that is by no means an indication that mystical concepts and plot devices are in fact at work in the real world. And you have provided nothing that would suggest otherwise. You've asked for theories, and people here have given you some. But you are not looking for debate, you seem to be looking for yes men. Because as soon as someone disagrees with you, you call them cowards or grouchy, and say that they are trying to ruin your hopes and dreams. From what I've seen, you have seen Star Wars and like what the Jedi are, and are trying to make yourself one, and want the concepts shown in the film to be real. If you were into X-Men, perhaps you would be coming here claiming that you/others have mutant powers. At some point you will learn that these are stories designed for entertainment, and not ment to be a commentary on how the real world functions. You are right Prime. It seems like that I am seriously an arogant being that just wants to complete it's fantasy, I have called names and I apologise to ALL, there is no such thing as the Force, no one can be a Jedi, I am just an idiot who dosen't care about anyone:( . I came to this Forum thinking that I could become with some people a better person and to have friends, but yet I just insulted everyone. I am sorry for existing, because all I can do is destroy everything and insult everyone, I should be ashamed. To prove that I am serious, I will unsubscribe from this Forum so that I won't ruin anyone's life ever again. But the worst thing here, at this point is that I (deep inside myself) wish that I am right, but I try to deal with it, that I am wrong, I have always been wrong, and I always will be wrong, maybe it's because I watched too many movies. It looks like that I will never get used to it that I will always be wrong, and that I am a DISGUSTING,DESPERATE creature. So Goodbye everyone, it is doubtful that any of you will ever see me again, you were one of the greatest people that I have ever met. Goodbye, Farewell. All of you..... P.S. When I unsubscribe, close all my threads, my posts and replies. Close especially 'How to Become a Jedi' thread, because that is where I ruined everyone's life. And don't be mad at Prime or Devon, be mad at me, they didn't insult you, I did.................. Goodbye, Forever............................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi3112 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 About the Force existing as in SW, I wouldn't know. I must say I think the existance of the Force is far more likely than say a God or Allah or something like that. Off course we won't know for certain untill proven (and once the existance of one thing is proven the question that comes is 'What is above that layer?'). And I still am a bit sceptical about it, but I wouldn't call it impossible. I must also say SW could very well be placed in this galaxy in the future (Earth could turn into something like Coruscant, I mean just look at New York, but it will take quite some time). I just wouldn't expect to see anybody shooting lightning from their fingertips. And off course I wouldn't be much of a Jedi, I'd rather go to the casino and make a few million. I would still have to use the win some lose some situation, otherwise it would be a bit suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I don't see any conflicts on this thread? Do you?? Conflicts are fine, but they must be done without calling people names. Debate and disagreement is welcome. And the warning wasn't directed soley at you. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I am just an idiot who dosen't care about anyone:( . You are over reacting... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I came to this Forum thinking that I could become with some people a better person and to have friends, but yet I just insulted everyone. While I can hardly see how posting at Lucasforums can make you a better person, there is nothing stopping you from making new friends. And I'm sure no one has put you on their "To Kill" list just yet... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I am sorry for existing, because all I can do is destroy everything and insult everyone, I should be ashamed. You are over reacting... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada To prove that I am serious, I will unsubscribe from this Forum so that I won't ruin anyone's life ever again. I don't think you have ruined anybody's life, since I don't think anybody's life revolves around what is posted at Lucasforums. At least, jeez I hope not... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada at this point is that I (deep inside myself) wish that I am right, Which was the whole point of the original argument... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada but I try to deal with it, that I am wrong, I have always been wrong, and I always will be wrong, maybe it's because I watched too many movies. Man, now I feel like I told someone that Santa Clause wasn't real. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada It looks like that I will never get used to it that I will always be wrong, and that I am a DISGUSTING,DESPERATE creature. That is a tad melodramatic, no? Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada So Goodbye everyone, it is doubtful that any of you will ever see me again, That really isn't necessary... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada you were one of the greatest people that I have ever met. What? This horrible bunch? We are all a bunch of hooligans! Especially stingerhs... Just kidding stingerhs. * gives stingerhs a noogy * Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada P.S. When I unsubscribe, close all my threads, my posts and replies. Close especially 'How to Become a Jedi' thread, because that is where I ruined everyone's life. There really isn't a need. Besides, it is my personal policy to all life-ruining threads open. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada And don't be mad at Prime or Devon, be mad at me, they didn't insult you, I did.................. Well, I'm sure I have insulted everyone here at one point or another. It is what brings me joy as a moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 I just came to see what was happening, and to see why am I still receving mails about replies even though I unsubscribed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hidden One Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Vlad I'll read your emotions. Hm... You were born in Bulgaria to a family who disliked you and were always thinking and imagining things that were unrealistic and pepole thought served no purpose. You had a few friends but people grew to dislike you because you would never go any where or do anything. When you first saw Star Wars you thought "Hey that Force is real, I think I have it!" So you locked yourself in your room trying to lift things with your mind but failed miserably. You are a teenager and a little while ago you "discovered" empathy and try to read people's emotions and sometimes you do, but mostly you don't. Also this "empathy" is a process of deduction. A man who was terrorizing New York a few years back with bomb threats was finally caught after a few years of searching. And a person guessed exactley what he was wearing and what he looked like through studying his handwriting and other things. And the "Empathy" I used is just deduction, if any of the info is write I guessed. Or so you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Originally posted by Prime But what is being discussed here has nothing to do with gaining a greater understanding of how the universe works. I never said that it was, I was just replying to this: Originally posted by LukeKatarn Attempting to read peoples minds sucesfulyl with empathy does not make you a jedi, you still don't have a ligthsaber, can't use telekenisis, can't run uber fast, so even if you COULD read peoples minds, that does NOT make you a Jedi. Let me just explain again, what my opinion is on this, again. What is being described as 'evidence', I believe to be merely perception and deduction. As far as the force being possible, my spiritual beliefs have some similarity to it, but I'm not going to get into all that. As far as being a 'Jedi', I dont think 'the force' or 'magical powers' or any of that is necessary. It's about an ideal, and following that ideal. In the movies, 'force sensitives' were selected as Jedi, because they were most capable when it comes to putting these ideals to good use. I think avoiding fear, anger, and hatred; as well as promoting knowledge, compassion, and justice are honorable goals, and attainable by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin I think avoiding fear, anger, and hatred; as well as promoting knowledge, compassion, and justice are honorable goals, and attainable by anyone. Yeah but it ain't as cool without a lightsaber... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Yeah but it ain't as cool without a lightsaber... I feel naked without mine :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin I never said that it was I know you weren't. I was just using that statement to make my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada You are right Prime. It seems like that I am seriously an arogant being that just wants to complete it's fantasy, I have called names and I apologise to ALL, there is no such thing as the Force, no one can be a Jedi, I am just an idiot who dosen't care about anyone:( . If you did not care about anyone, you would have no sense of empathy. Although I disagree with your opinion about the force, I think you are overreacting. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada Yet I just insulted everyone. I am sorry for existing, because all I can do is destroy everything and insult everyone, I should be ashamed.: You have not insulted anyone. I think we all overreacted a bit. if all you were capable of doing is destroying and insulting, you would have no desire to be a Jedi. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada To prove that I am serious, I will unsubscribe from this Forum. There is no need to do that just because some people disagreed with you. It's always good for there to be new members at LucasForums. (Provided that they have correct spelling, punctuation, and grammer. (Just kidding. ) ) Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I won't ruin anyone's life ever again. You have not ruined my life, or anyone else's. Why is it you think that? Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada But the worst thing here, at this point is that I (deep inside myself) wish that I am right, but I try to deal with it, that I am wrong, I have always been wrong, and I always will be wrong, maybe it's because I watched too many movies. It looks like that I will never get used to it that I will always be wrong, and that I am a DISGUSTING,DESPERATE creature. You are overreacting once again. I fail to see how you'll always be wrong just because you were once. At some point in their lives, people tend to believe something ridiculous. (For instance, I once believed in god and Santa Claus.) Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada you were one of the greatest people that I have ever met. I wouldn't go that far. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada because that is where I ruined everyone's life. You did nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE MANDALORE Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Thanks for the info Mandalore, Oh and by the way is your thread 'If KOTOR was real...' thread still active? Hey, your welcome. And I believe my thread was still active the last time I checked. PS- You didn't ruin anyone's life. You started a very fine discussion if you ask me. PPS- You started this thread on April Fools Day (america). I hope this wasn't a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 Hello, People I am sorry for not fullfiling by promise, but I return to this Forum, and I SWEAR I will never insult anyone just because they have a different opinion than mine, and I will do all that is nececeary to fullfil this one. You were born in Bulgaria to a family who disliked you and were always thinking and imagining things that were unrealistic and pepole thought served no purpose. Well, I'm not from Bulgaria because my people and the Bulgarians have a ......Trobuled history (WW1), my parents didin't dislike me but it is true that they always wanted to view everything from a realistic perspective. You had a few friends but people grew to dislike you because you would never go any where or do anything. Correct. When you first saw Star Wars you thought "Hey that Force is real, I think I have it!" So you locked yourself in your room trying to lift things with your mind but failed miserably. You guessed it. You are a teenager and a little while ago you "discovered" empathy and try to read people's emotions and sometimes you do, but mostly you don't. I try as much as possible to use empathy but the rest is true. As far as being a 'Jedi', I dont think 'the force' or 'magical powers' or any of that is necessary. It's about an ideal, and following that ideal. Now what you are talking about is not being a Jedi, it is philosofy and ethics, and I think too that following an ideal and goal is what life is all about. In the movies, 'force sensitives' were selected as Jedi, because they were most capable when it comes to putting these ideals to good use. I don't judge people by their capabilities, I judge them by emotions, ethics and moral. You started this thread on April Fools Day (america). I hope this wasn't a joke. It's not a joke, this is serious. This time I will gather scientific evidence, anyone else who believes in this can gather too. If I can't find some information I will study something to determine something, same thing for the rest. Oh, by the way the lightsaber thing........ I accidentaly came across a web page where there are instructions on how to BUILD one. But I can't say.... It's too dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 I have found several scientific evedences that cofirm everything what we claimed on thie forum: Empathy Telekenesis Ethics It looks like that we can finally be Heros? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoM Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I'm happy you didn't leave lucasforums, and you shouldn't be sorry for existing....anyway! This thread is still active, so i guess.. Well, let's just say that.. The "force" is a word.. And a human can only use (crap, i've forgot how many) percent of their brain, but humans are still evolving, and animals have all this kind of stuff. How else would birds navigate and always fly correctly? How do they know whos the leader? How can they know when something bad is gonna happen? I tell you, all of our senses are gone, because of all the stress in a humans life. But it's still there, but hard to find. And, well.. Personally, i think "The force" is a great word for it, so even if it's no force, just natural senses. You can't make stuff levitate (probably) and you can't shoot lightning stuff. But this is still special, and i believe in it. And, what i would call it is the force. Even though we can probably do this, I guess we can't become jedis. Not jedis, not heroes. We can be humans. Ps: This was my longest post ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 I am sorry piece of metal, but you sound like a pesimist. It's not that bad, read my last posts and visit the webpages I posted. P.S. To chear you up 6 hours after this post, if everyone agrees, i'll post the instructions on how to build a lightsaber, and everyone can be a Jedi (it's just a matter of choise). Now the lightning thing doesn't exist but there is empathy and telekenesis that is the Force in a certain way (if you're interested read my last post). NOTE: I found several other phenomenons like clayvorant dreams and telepathy but that is just to much (I know the webpages for those). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kariudo Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I'm glad that you didn´t leave If i should have enough time and the motivation i will read the websites you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada I have found several scientific evedences that cofirm everything what we claimed on thie forum: Empathy You are going to have to read that article again, as you've completely missed what they are talking about. The empathy they are refering to is not dealing with telepahy. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada Telekenesis I think that you will have to go somewhere else than Ellie Crystal homepage for scientific knowledge... Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada Ethics ?? Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada It looks like that we can finally be Heros? Eh? Heroes without any form of supernatural powers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 You are going to have to read that article again, as you've completely missed what they are talking about. The empathy they are refering to is not dealing with telepahy. Mmmmm, posted the wrong web page, I think. I think that you will have to go somewhere else than Ellie Crystal homepage for scientific knowledge... What's wrong? ?? You're gonna need it to be a Jedi. Heroes without any form of supernatural powers... The things we're talking about aren't super powers they are sort of hidden abilities. I'll try to look for more evidence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 Oh, yes, I nearly forgot... Should I post the web-page containing the instructions on how to build a lightsaber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 Hhhmmmhmhm...... This is interesting... More Empathy More Telekenesis If these aren't enough, please don't be mad, I'm trying my best.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada What's wrong? There is nothing scientific about what you've posted. Start with this, and see how it applies. Once again, a person saying that something exists is not proof. Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada More Empathy More Telekenesis The Empathy link is talking about the same thing as your previous empathy link. Once again it is not talking about telepathy. The second link is more of the same as the crystalinks page, and actually links to that. There is no scientific evidence on this site either. But I applaud your efforts to provide evidence to back up your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 First of all, I am not just saying. Secondly I tried to gather evidence. But since I can't find evidence, the reason may be that it hasn't been discovered or worked on yet! So I might as well start working and gathering scientific evidence, if I wish to become not just an Astronomer, Biologist, Phsycologist and Philosofer but also a Jedi. P.S. About the lightsaber... I ask the Moderator team to post the instructions for lightsaber buliding. If the permission is given, then please I thet ask one of the Moderators send the permission to this thread. I will then post the web-page. (Where is everyone?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 First of all, I am not just saying. Secondly I tried to gather evidence. But since I can't find evidence, the reason may be that it hasn't been discovered or worked on yet! So I might as well start working and gathering scientific evidence, if I wish to become not just an Astronomer, Biologist, Phsycologist and Philosofer but also a Jedi. P.S. About the lightsaber... I ask the Moderator team to post the instructions for lightsaber buliding. If the permission is given, then please I thet ask one of the Moderators send the permission to this thread. I will then post the web-page. (Where is everyone?) ...and empathy is not telepathy, and I was not talking about telepathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada (Where is everyone?) They're here. This is what you did when you double posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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