Lightsaberboy Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 the thing i dont understand is that in the series, they're not looking to kill river. the blue hand people search for her to get her alive, same with the alliance and jubal. then in the series they want to kill her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 WARNING SPOILERS IN LINK: serenity in 200 words or less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 the thing i dont understand is that in the series, they're not looking to kill river. the blue hand people search for her to get her alive, same with the alliance and jubal. then in the series they want to kill her? My best guess would be that they always wanted River back for the secrets she holds in her head, and because they invested a lot of money to make her a badass kung-fu pyshcic death machine In Ariel the hands of blue even killed all of the alliance soldiers for talking to her, which didn't make much sense until now, but I suppose they figure they may get some of the secret if she talks After so much time and so many failed attempts they decide that they need to send an operative with the single mission of killing her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 But the operative WASN'T trying to kill her. Nor were the troops at the end. Thats why the operative kept trying to force Mal to hand her over, and why those troops with the machine guns pointed at her were telling her to put down the weapon and surrender. It was clear she wasn't about to surrender, and a fight would ensue... but because the operative's belief (key plot point for him and mal) ad been shaken he no longer wanted to follow the alliance's wishes. It was made pretty clear at the end that the alliance would almost certainly STILL want to get hold of river, both for her abilities,and for any more secrets she might know. And that the operative was basically signing his own death warrant by helping them and letting them go. I've read a few reviews that thought the "big secret" was a bit underwhelming. I guess i can see why it might be to some people. But personally I thought the scene where they pulled back to an empty city was one of the best in the film. And killing a whole planet of 30 million plus creating the most feared creatures in the galaxy seems at least fairly big to me. I can't really see what could have been bigger. Though of course if they had had more of a budget then they could have probably showed it with more of an impact, on a grander scale. Part of the reason I thought it felt more like the END of a trilogy was that they didn't really have time in one film to build the reavers up as as terrifying as they should be. In the series they were always spoken of in hushed tones, and everyone always legged it when they turned up. If they had had two films where the reavers were an ever-present menace first... 8 months to clean up an entire planet (while having to fight off reavers and without any word leaking out) seems pretty unlikely, even if they had known that was what she knew. It is of course possible that many people in the alliance wouldn't know about other people in the alliance's dirty secrets... Think of the political scandals on earth, often they are known to only a few people... but if you told all the politicians in the US that someone might know all their dirty little secrets they'd all be pretty keen to stop the secrets coming out.. mostly their own, but even the ones they didn't know about. I thought that they were also looking for a safe haven? That doesn't make sense. Miranda WAS a safe haven. Fighting through 2 armies to get to a "safe haven " that you suspect the enemy already knows about is a bit daft. But since Mal made his "i aim to misbehave - you may all die" speech we know this wasn't the case. Most likely, but we don't know because they aren't a part of the plot. No, but their existance is implied in the plot. Movies shouldn't have to spell out every detail. Heck, one of the things I loved best about star wars was that it kept mentioning things like "the clone wars", "the old republic", "the emperor" etc... but then didn't explain any of it.. that allowed your imagination to fill in the gaps. (and as the prequels have shown, often your imagination works a lot better than the details they DO come up with). They don't spell out the battle of serenity, or Book's past either, but I like films that drop in intriguing mentions... its a god way to make the setting seem larger, without filling the film with overlong explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 WARNING SPOILERS IN LINK: serenity in 200 words or less WARNING - may be some spoilers, but not really (except the one in the tag): ------------------------ Independents = South Alliance = (north) US Cavalry Reavers = Indians (were peaceful, but turned into savages by actions of US cavalry). Operative - Believes in Alliance's end. Justifies the means. Mal - Believes in nothing. River - Prototype weapon and potential Deep Throat Alliance's attempts to silence Deep Throat cause the secret to be revealed. The secret causes The Operative to loose belief and Mal to gain some. The End. ------------------------ 65 Words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 But the operative WASN'T trying to kill her. Nor were the troops at the end. But there were x number of troops and they zoomed in to show that they were ready to pull the trigger. Why would they do this if at that point they didn't intend to kill her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 But the operative WASN'T trying to kill her. Nor were the troops at the end. Thats why the operative kept trying to force Mal to hand her over, and why those troops with the machine guns pointed at her were telling her to put down the weapon and surrender.I believe he was trying to kill her. The Operative wanted Mal to hand her over so he could kill her. Inara even says on Serenity that he truly believes that killing River is the right thing to do. And the troops at the end weren't necessarily calling for a surrender, they told everyone to drop their weapons, and then asked the Operative if they had the kill order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Hmmm. Maybe you are right. Risk of attempting capture vs Reward of getting her back. I suppose they might well decide that any secrets she might divulge wouldn't be worth risk of trying to get her back alive. And I guess that the operative had already killed the doctor to cover things up, though the project might still carry on without him. Its up for interpretation I guess (nothing wrong with that). I personally suspect he was under orders to "try to bring her back alive, but kill her if he had to". And once it became clear that a secret had been revealed and they were about to beam it to the universe it obviously became necessary to go for the kill option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 The soldiers were ready to pull the trigger because she apparently just slaughtered a room full of Reavers and she didn't want to drop her weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Ginn Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 The soldiers were ready to pull the trigger because she apparently just slaughtered a room full of Reavers and she didn't want to drop her weapons. If I was one of those soldiers, I would have high-fived her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 If I was one of those soldiers I would have run away like a little girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 where did i put my "/\ i'm with stupid /\" pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsaberboy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 dvd cover has been revealed: so i guess the stuff about it being released dec 20th might be true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 dvd cover has been revealed: so i guess the stuff about it being released dec 20th might be true.. Ummm...Rodians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsaberboy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 the menu screen does look like a tenlosss scope...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 He means we can't see it, dolt. Definitely rodians. *high fives CapN* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsaberboy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 you cant see the pics? that's weird. i see em just fine. i dunno what clearing the cache would do if im just doing an img tag on the pics from the site... ah well ill clear it anyways.. well if you cant see em, just go to this link http://dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=8055&n=1&burl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 It's probably because they're cached? >> I might be wrong on this. Clear your cache though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I saw this a couple weeks ago. It was good. It wan't just another blow-them-up-and-set-the-universe-on-fire-oh-look-i'vegotasword-type movie. Well... Ok, so it was. But there was an actual point to it, which made it different (and far better) than most movies. I don't know what's up nowadays. First Corpse Bride, Serenity, Wallace and Gromit? All good. It's strange. Most strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsaberboy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 can you guys see the pics now?? if not, just go to the link i put above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 dvdanswers don't allow hotlinking to their images from other sites, so you'll have to follow the link to the article to see the images (and then press refresh if you have cached the "image exclusive to dvdanswers" images already). Looks ok but a bit b-movie. Not sure what that army is doing in it, or who that girl called Serenity is in the top right, I don't remember seeing her in the movie... Am I the only one thinking this is ripe for an extended cut? A quick look through that list of deleted scenes include an extended intro, ending, and loads of extra character stuff (mainly between Mal and Inara). I know a lot of the "casual fans" who saw the movie but not the series probably wouldn't appreciate all that extra stuff, but considering that Firefly pretty much found a new least of life on DVD and that hardcore online geek fans are the ones who like extra extended background details (as in LOTR) I'm kind of expecting an extended cut with more references to the series and maybe even packaging that complements the series. It'd be cool to know if that was in the pipline before adding this version to my Xmas list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Cover looks like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 The cover sucks so much that I don't think it's the official one. River looks like she was hand-drawn or something. Wouldn't they just have the Serenity symbol for the dvd cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 the firefly packaging was great, hopefully someone will tweak this prior to it being released... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Ginn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 The cover sucks so much that I don't think it's the official one. River looks like she was hand-drawn or something. Wouldn't they just have the Serenity symbol for the dvd cover? Yeah, but she does look pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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