Where did lucas went wrong?

[Aristotélēsticus]

There are some scenes in the movie where Lucas went wrong, what are they in your opinion?

 

I will start:

 

Scenes:

 

*The stupid jump of Darth Tyrannus before the fight with Anakin and Obi-wan

 

*The romance scenes between Anakin and Padme, very boring and without passion.

 

*Padme scenes always end up with crying.

 

Scenario:

 

*Again the boring romance of Anakin and padme

 

*In RotJ, Luke asked Liea about her mother and she said that she remember that her mother was very sad, well the surprise is in RotS padme died at childbirth.

 

*Obi-wan's statement: "only a sith deals in absolute" is an absolute statement itself.

[FiEND_138]

*The stupid jump of Darth Tyrannus before the fight with Anakin and Obi-wan

Over the railing in 3 right? Hmmm didn't mind it personaly. Much better than using the stairs.

*The romance scenes between Anakin and Padme, very boring and without passion.

While wooden, I kind of understand where he was going with this. Those scenes don't say 'without passion' to me, they scream lack of experience with the opposite sex on both characters.

You've got Anakin the Jedi with probably no experience at getting into anyones pants & the difficulty of controlling his emotions (it is Anakin after all).

Padme the queen then senator with about as much experience at the above.

Atleast that was my take on it.

*Padme scenes always end up with crying.

Well it's kind of understandable in 3. Pregnant = psycho hormones + husband helping to destroy everything she believes in = sad Padme.

*In RotJ, Luke asked Liea about her mother and she said that she remember that her mother was very sad, well the surprise is in RotS padme died at childbirth.

IIRC, this was answered in the novel. Think it had to do with something about her eyes staring in Padmes direction "memorizing her features & feelings." Yeah lame, so I kind of agree with you on this one.

 

My complaint. I was hoping for more on blue jedi glowies *coughquigonspeakingfromgravecough*, than an afterthought in passing from Yoda. Not like it would have shot continuity to s***, it's not like he was appearing in a visible form just audible. O well guess I can always hope for the PT SE in 10-15 years..

 

Hopes this 4 a.m. drunken ramble makes some sence to any passerbyes..

[YertyL]

*The stupid jump of Darth Tyrannus before the fight with Anakin and Obi-wan

Perhaps this was just to show his power... I didn't mind it that much...

*The romance scenes between Anakin and Padme, very boring and without passion.

 

*Padme scenes always end up with crying.

 

*Again the boring romance of Anakin and padme

I have to agree with you on that one.... (especially in Ep2 ) Although they may be realistic they still make feel a mixture of boredom and embarassment

*In RotJ, Luke asked Liea about her mother and she said that she remember that her mother was very sad, well the surprise is in RotS padme died at childbirth.

Yup, that goes along with the 2345937 other plotholes - doesn't bother me that much though; it is a movie and I don't think you should bother with continuity too much... it was never meant to be taken too seriously and it shouldn't be IMHO

 

*Obi-wan's statement: "only a sith deals in absolute" is an absolute statement itself.

I find that one kinda cool though... firstly, it simply adds to the kewlness of the scene but I also like how it shows (if intentionally or not I don't know) that Obi-Wan too is not perfect... especially in the new episodes he is always very by-the-book (in that way the exact opposite of Anakin): "We will do exactly as the council has instructed", "If you'd just follow the code...", "They have their job to do, we have ours"

I like how Anakin is not simply misguided and Obi-Wan is not simply right, but they are both in their own ways irrational (though to different degrees ) and simply cannot understand the other one's point of view.

[Aristotélēsticus]

Perhaps this was just to show his power... I didn't mind it that much...

 

i wasnt talking about the idea of jumbing, the jump itself was stupid others can make more realistic jumps yet showing off,even though taking the stairs while talking what he said after will give him more maturity and will make him look calm and cool

 

 

I find that one kinda cool though... firstly, it simply adds to the kewlness of the scene but I also like how it shows (if intentionally or not I don't know) that Obi-Wan too is not perfect... especially in the new episodes he is always very by-the-book (in that way the exact opposite of Anakin): "We will do exactly as the council has instructed", "If you'd just follow the code...", "They have their job to do, we have ours"

I like how Anakin is not simply misguided and Obi-Wan is not simply right, but they are both in their own ways irrational (though to different degrees ) and simply cannot understand the other one's point of view.

 

good point, i like it

but i like to take the movie more seriously, like ist true, and in this statment you could see a gap in the Jedi teachings (if Obi-Wan know what he is talking about and i believe that he must know).

[YertyL]

Thx

As far as I know in all movies & games one main flaw of the jedi is that they tend to become "arrogant in their teachings" (Disciple),i.e. they start to be too sure of themselves and their rules/code and fail to understand how a person could think differently ...

IMHO this is also one of the things the rise of the Sith demonstrates: That the jedi cannot fight the Dark Side efficently because they have lost or have never had a throughout understanding of it.

I guess this is a general rule ... as long as you do not know something it always has the attractiveness of being the "forbidden fruit" (see Malak ); only once you have seen it (not necessarily embraced it) and deliberately turned away you can resist the temptation.

Btw. this is partly why I admire the character of Yoda... he is one of the few jedi who do not take themselves too seriously - an important part of not being arrogant...

[Hallucination]

Well I hate how the acronym for ROTJ is so similar to ROTS, and I really hated the "Okay, to hide Luke were gonna give him to the evil guys half brother on the evil guys planet and not even change his last name so he'll never notice him" plot.

[The Doctor]

Vader thought he had killed Padme, and therefore the "baby" as well. He was wrong, of course.

[Hallucination]

Shouldn't he have been able to sense that the child was still alive? And remember when he told Luke he was his father? Was he just guessing then?

[The Doctor]

No, he realized that Luke was his son when the emperor told him that Luke was "no doubt the son of Anakin Skywalker".

[Darth InSidious]

Actually, he knew some time after the Battle of Yavin. Certainly he knows by ESB....and there ain't any signs taht he was told by the emperor in the films

[El Sitherino]

"The son of skywalker must not become a jedi."

"If he could be turned, he might be a powerful ally."

 

Anyway, the Leia's mother comment thing has been discussed to death, same with the others. But I'll put out one idea, perhaps she was thinking of someone different, her adoptive mother.

 

Not to mention she said "only images really"

[The Doctor]

Actually, he knew some time after the Battle of Yavin. Certainly he knows by ESB....and there ain't any signs taht he was told by the emperor in the films

Yes he did. The emperor said to Vader in ESB (I think) that their new enemy was "no doubt the offspring of Anakin Skywalker".

[Hallucination]

^ Don't remember that. I'll have to see the movie again sometime.

[MdKnightR]

"The son of skywalker must not become a jedi."

"If he could be turned, he might be a powerful ally."

 

Anyway, the Leia's mother comment thing has been discussed to death, same with the others. But I'll put out one idea, perhaps she was thinking of someone different, her adoptive mother.

 

Not to mention she said "only images really"

 

On this, Insane Sith and I are in agreement. I have always thought of that as being her Alderaanian mother. Leia probably was never told about her heritage for good reason (duh!).

 

As for Luke being "hidden" on Tattooine, haven't you ever heard that the best place to hide something is in plain sight? Besides, Vader thought that the children had died with Padme. Not to mention that he didn't have any reason to return there since his mother died.

 

I also agree with FiEND_138 about the wooden performance of the romance. It does come off as inexperience rather than bad acting.

 

All I can say is quit dissecting the movies and just enjoy them.

[Jeff]

^^^^

But when Luke asks Leia about her, he says "Your real mother?" That makes me think that Luke knew that she was adopted and meant her birth mother. But like IS said, this has been discussed to death and is something we'll probably never know for sure.

[MdKnightR]

^^^^

But when Luke asks Leia about her, he says "Your real mother?" That makes me think that Luke knew that she was adopted and meant her birth mother. But like IS said, this has been discussed to death and is something we'll probably never know for sure.

 

Does Luke say it like that? Hmm, looks like it is time to watch ROTJ again! But just because he said it doesn't mean that she knew the truth. But, again, it has been discussed to death and this is my final 2 cents on the matter.

[El Sitherino]

I think anyone that says the Anakin-Padme romance doesn't seem real, go watch two teenagers being all mushy. They act like their **** doesn't stink, but it's rancid.

[deathdisco]

No, he realized that Luke was his son when the emperor told him that Luke was "no doubt the son of Anakin Skywalker".

 

You do realize some of that dialog has been changed since the original version. That was not the original line from that scene.

[Darth InSidious]

Yes he did. The emperor said to Vader in ESB (I think) that their new enemy was "no doubt the offspring of Anakin Skywalker".

 

Nope

Sorry.

[Aristotélēsticus]

I think anyone that says the Anakin-Padme romance doesn't seem real, go watch two teenagers being all mushy. They act like their **** doesn't stink, but it's rancid.

 

you all seem to get me wrong, i wasnt talking about the actors, me think that the scinario wasnt good enough.

[Astrotoy7]

sure there were some weird bits, like

 

*jar jar

*the farting eopie in TPM

*padmes running style after getting knocked down in AOTC

 

but seriously, if you're watching SW for *acting and dialogue* perfection then you're a damn fool

 

SW is an action/adventure/space fantasy.... simple as that. GL has stated a million times he is emulating the Flash Gordon serials of the 30s-40s, not doing King Lear

 

If you do want to see some acting and dialogue perfection, check out Sir Laurence Olivier's adaptation of Hamlet, made in the 50s...freakin awesome.

 

mtfbwya

[Aristotélēsticus]

i know that SW is about action and adventure, but after all the story is the thing that kept us fans, we all saw the last scene between Anakin and Obi-Wan, it was fantastic if you take the dialog and the acting, so why not the whole movie be like this...

 

"no one has said a thing about Obi-wan statment"

[Prime]

*The stupid jump of Darth Tyrannus before the fight with Anakin and Obi-wan

I don't mind that at all, but it would have been cool if he had floated down a la the Clone Wars cartoon.

 

*The romance scenes between Anakin and Padme, very boring and without passion.

In any event, the romance between these characters is obviously very important to the story. For all the criticism that aspect of the films has received, I still think it is a reasonable portrayal of teen romance. It is debatable whether it should have been portrayed that way (I don't think so). I found the romance stuff a bit better in ROTS, in part because the characters are older. Not to say it is great to watch...

 

I think Hayden and Natalie get criticized a bit unfairly for their portrayal of the romance, since I think it is hard to make the groan-worthy dialog convincing. That is where Lucas is subpar. Interestingly, the initial romance in Clones is much more fleshed out and well written in the novel.

 

*Padme scenes always end up with crying.

Considering the circumstances, any other response would be unrealistic. After just going through dealing with a pregnant wife myself (she was pregnant when she saw ROTS), she can tell you that Padme was relatively calm after learning what was becoming of the father of her child. And really, you couldn't have her running around with a blaster shooting droids while she was pregnant. That is why I'm glad it appears that some of her scenes dealing with Mon Mothma and birth of the Rebellion will be added back on the DVD. It gives her something productive to do.

 

*Again the boring romance of Anakin and padme

Yet it has to be there. Thankfully, the straight up romance scenes were few and far between in ROTS, and most of those dealt in part with the fall of Skywalker. This made them a bit more interesting to me.

 

*In RotJ, Luke asked Liea about her mother and she said that she remember that her mother was very sad, well the surprise is in RotS padme died at childbirth.

That is a bit odd, but can more or less be retconned as discussed elsewhere. While it really is a continuity error, Lucas no doubt knows this and decided to go ahead with Padme's death anyway. Personally, I think this is the right decision dramatically. The end events of ROTS are more powerful with her dying than if she had remained alive and died off-screen between ROTS and ANH.

 

*Obi-wan's statement: "only a sith deals in absolute" is an absolute statement itself.

And yet it is true. But I think what he is saying is that only a Sith deals only in absolutes.

 

I think anyone that says the Anakin-Padme romance doesn't seem real, go watch two teenagers being all mushy. They act like their **** doesn't stink, but it's rancid.

Yeah, I tend to find that those who complain the romance isn't realistic tend to be teenagers themselves. But those of us who are older realize that real teenagers (as we once were) are just as awkward as what is shown in the film. The issue is a lot of people don't want to have to watch that just like they don't want to in real life.

 

*padmes running style after getting knocked down in AOTC

So ****ng true. It's funny that the CGI clones have a better run than a real actor.

 

but seriously, if you're watching SW for *acting and dialogue* perfection then you're a damn fool

I know. And Lucas is the first to admit that. But then again, these are the same people who claim Lucas raped their childhood.

[chaleur]

I found the romance stuff a bit better in ROTS, in part because the characters are older. Not to say it is great to watch...

 

Padme: "I love you more."

Anakin: "No, I love you more!"

Padme: "No! I love YOU more!"

Anakin: "Okay, now I have to kill you."

 

Yeah, that was so much better ;-). Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan in general, but the dialog on that one balcony scene was bad enough that I was wishing my popcorn bag was an air-sickness bag.

[stingerhs]

I think anyone that says the Anakin-Padme romance doesn't seem real, go watch two teenagers being all mushy. They act like their **** doesn't stink, but it's rancid.

you can call it what you want, but it doesn't take a lot for two good actors that have taken the time to develop a 'chemistry' of sorts to make that part as good as it should have been, especially given the importance of the romance to the plot. and yes i'll go ahead and say it here: the terrible dialog the actors had to work with definately didn't help.

 

you can 'make ammends' for the actors and the writers if you want, but i certainly won't. the romance sucked because of bad acting, terrible chemistry between the actors, and bad dialog. otherwise, those were some great movies.

but seriously, if you're watching SW for *acting and dialogue* perfection then you're a damn fool

nobody said it had to be perfect, its just that most people expect things like that to at least be good, not terrible. don't get me wrong, the story is fantastic; the way the story is implemented with the romance sucks.