Pada-kid Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Ok Listen Up Some Could Agree And Soem Disagree You know the whole story anakin was supposed to be the chosen one but he turned into the dark side. Then Theres Luke The Next Person To Be The Chosen One. But In The Last Bit Of Return Of The Jedi ITS NOT LUKE THAT KILLS Darth Sidious Its Anakin(Vader) I Think The First Prophecy Is True And Anakin Was The Chosen one And Luke just Helped Him To See the Light Of IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 You're correct, Anakin is, Luke isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Yep lucas has said anakin is the chosen one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Thank you Captain Obvious, you've done a great service by telling us information we already knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 How can anyone think that Luke is the Chosen One? It is never even suggested that he might possibly be the Chosen One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawaJoey Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 How can anyone think that Luke is the Chosen One? It is never even suggested that he might possibly be the Chosen One. It's quite easy to think that Luke is the Chosen One. To say that he isn't because it's never explicitly mentoned that he might be is foolish. The only people who knew of the prophecy were Jedi, and how many Jedi were alive when Luke was around? I don't think Obi-Wan and Yoda have much faith in that particular prophecy at that point. Luke, though not concieved by the force, was the son of someone who was. And Luke's heritage and force history definitely had a profound effect on the outcome of him as a person and Jedi. Anakin fell to the dark side, and put the force as off balance as one possibly can. Luke resisted the Dark Side, through every trial and temptation. It was Luke's actions that balanced the Force. People will argue that it was Vader that killed the emperor, but he did so because of Luke. More importantly, one can argue that Vader was the person that was imbalancing the force (Palpatine was the pupeteer behind the Dark Side's rise, but Vader was the elephant that tipped the scale, if you get my meaning). It was Luke that restored Vader to light, which could be taken as the balancing of the force. Vader did the last action, but Luke was the source, and the doer of the preceding, just as important action, that led to the balance of the force. And just in case anyone was convinced by my argument, I'd like to apologize, because GL himself has stated that Anakin is indeed the one and only Chosen One, so any discussion is mostly pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 ^ The prophecy referred to one who was conceived of the midioclorians. That makes it clear that Luke could not have been the Chosen One. Anakin did bring balance to the Force. Luke was only a factor that led to the balancing of the Force. Nowhere in the orophecy did it say how long it would take the Chosen One to bring balance, or that he would not face the Dark Side first. It is not esay to think that Luke is the Chosen One if you know anything about the prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Anakin didn't bring balance to the Force. He caused it to have an extreme lean to the Light Side. Perhaps both Luke and Anakin are the Chosen Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wrong, wrong, wrong, all wrong. Anakin did bring balance to the force, go watch RoTJ again. Notice him throw Palpatine off the catwalk into the generator, observe him fight the conflict within him winning out over Vader moments before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wrong, wrong, wrong, all wrong. Anakin did bring balance to the force, go watch RoTJ again. Notice him throw Palpatine off the catwalk into the generator, observe him fight the conflict within him winning out over Vader moments before. Yes, but balance means an equal amount of Light and Dark, not favouring the Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wrong.I'm no Grey Jedi, but the Light and Dark Sides must be in equilibrium for there to be true balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 No, you're taking the literal sense of balance. The balance they mean is one of harmony. The sith are a cancer on the living force, destroying them allows the living force to once again thrive and exercise it's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 The destruction of the Sith doesn't necessarily mean that all evil has been destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 No, but for the purposes of Lucas's story, the "Dark Side" element that was throwing things off is removed. Heck, if two Sith are more powerful than 10,000 Jedi, something's amiss! Anyway, I agree, unless Lucas has contradicted himself on the new DVD (I don't yet own it) then that's the story. Still, I think without Luke, Anakin probably would never have come out of it. He'd either have continued to serve his master, or maybe tried to overthrow him one day (and failed? or they both die, as it turned out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wanna get really technical? In RotS, at the end there are 2 Sith, the Master and the Apprentice, and 2 Jedi, a Master(Yoda) and the apprentice(as Obi-Wan was no where NEAR Yoda's level). Thats pretty balanced to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Balance means equall. The force was seriously in the light, then Vader came, executed the jedi order, put everthing in the dark, and then later ended darkness. Luke was a new type of force user (not jedi, they are users of light) that uses both good and evil, so the force was in balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 But there isn't really a "light side" per se (I don't think there are any g-canon references to the "light side of the force"). There is just the Force, and the dark side. I think the point is that the Force is in balance on its own. The Sith and the dark side unbalance that. Thus killing the sith removes the dark side and returns the Force to its natural balanced state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 No, you're taking the literal sense of balance. The balance they mean is one of harmony. The sith are a cancer on the living force, destroying them allows the living force to once again thrive and exercise it's will. Quoted for truth. Balance = no Sith. That's it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 What about Dark Jedi? *throws EU monkey wrench into the theory* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dark Jedi are plot devices created by unimaginative writers who like to try and recreate the whole "Taxi Driver" anti-hero thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Well post-prequels, but before that they were just a stand-in for the Sith. I thought I heard that Lucas specifically forbade them to feature Sith characters in the EU at some point, so this was just a loop hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Well post-prequels, but before that they were just a stand-in for the Sith. I thought I heard that Lucas specifically forbade them to feature Sith characters in the EU at some point, so this was just a loop hole. It may have been earlier, but IIRC Lucas made tge Sith off limits for the NJO. He should have gone one step further and made the NJO off limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawaJoey Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 ^ The prophecy referred to one who was conceived of the midioclorians. That makes it clear that Luke could not have been the Chosen One. Anakin did bring balance to the Force. Luke was only a factor that led to the balancing of the Force. Nowhere in the orophecy did it say how long it would take the Chosen One to bring balance, or that he would not face the Dark Side first. It is not esay to think that Luke is the Chosen One if you know anything about the prophecy. What we know about the prophecy: There will be a Chosen One who will bring balance to the force. Said chosen one will be concieved by Midichlorians. Also, the prophecy "misread, may have been." Anakin was the one concieved by midichlorians, and was extremely strong in the force. Who knows the true happenings of Luke's conception? Was it human genetics, pure and simple? Or did the high concentration of midichlorians in Anakin do a lot more? It's not necessarily an obvious train of thought to follow, but certainly plausible enough to beleive if you take the other evidence to suggest that Luke is the Chosen One. Whether or not the prophecy suggested anything about how or when the chosen one will bring balance to the force really doesn't change anything, or answer any argument that anyone has brought up. I stated previously the arguments for why one can consider Luke to have actually balanced the Force. So yes, it actually is easy to beleive that Luke is the Chosen One, even when you know all about the prophecy. Still doesn't matter though, because the fact is: Anakin is the Chosen One. I agree that "balancing" the force does not mean equality of light and dark, it means elimination of the bad. In ROTS, Obi-Wan says "You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!" Therefore it is pretty safe to assume that the balancing of the force brought about by the chosen one was to entail the elimination of the Sith, and it did not mean to literally balance the Sith with Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Who knows the true happenings of Luke's conception? A Jedi and a Senator goin' at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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