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Astrotoy7 Newbie

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I am muslim and I initially found this thread a little bewildering.... though I'm sure KtheE is just wanting to spread holiday cheer, although there is already a thread for this :)

 

I'd like to clarify: (working from my Turkish Translation of the Kuran)

 

1. Hazreti Isah : (translated "The prophet Jesus") appears in the Kuran, and is a very important prophet in the islamic faith. The central/key prophet is of course, Muhammed.

 

2. The immaculate conception, and the birth of Christ is simply not described in the Kuran(as it is described in the Gospels). Jesus is described as a true man of and for the people, but not as the son of god. In referring to Allah(God), the kuran is quite clear "He begat no-one" and "no-one begat him" ....

 

3. December 25 has naught to do with the birth of anyone, let alone Jesus. It was formerly a pagan festival day, which was made a Christian holiday by Emperor Constantine IIRC ...

 

4. Vlad, there is no "Christ Mass" in Islam - our holiest time is Ramazan and Id-ul-Fitri, which are not associated with Hazreti Isah(Jesus)

 

nonetheless, holiday greetings to all - from your other islamic brother - Astro ;)

 

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Aristotélēsticus Newbie

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as Astro declared, there are no mention of Jesus's birth in Kuran, thus muslems dont celebrate christian holidays but in some countries, especially mine (Syria), we do join christians in thier celebration and so do they, but its not related to our religion, its just a social habit...still in the Kuran all the prophits are equal including Muhammad, thus we should love them all the same...

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@Astro, thanks for clearing that up:)

Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing most of that a while ago.

 

But I know that December 25 most probably isn't the actual day of birth, and it could be celebrated during any time of the year and still hold the same meaning for me (why the events behind holi-days don't seem important to anyone throughout the year I'll never know:()

Dec 25 just seems like a good day to have it because with that day there's a decreased chance of having to work in a blizzard:D

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The Doctor Newbie

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The immaculate conception, and the birth of Christ is simply not described in the Kuran(as it is described in the Gospels).

Not to sound like an ass, but the conception of Jesus is only described in any kind of detail in the books of Matthew and Luke, not all the Gospels. Sorry to be so picky.

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It's the holiest day of the year, for me. The birth of Christ, our Saviour? Of course I view it as religous. If people are offended by my faith, they can just live with it. That's the way I am.

 

Anyway, I don't want to start a religon based flame-war, so I'll shut up now.

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"don't say christmas, it might offend non-christians".

 

That's what I find stupid. If you're part of a different religion, and you don't like Christmas, don't celebrate it, just ignore the whole holiday. There's no reason we should have to change the name of a holiday because other people don't like it. What if some people don't like Rosh Hashana, or Ramazan, we don't see the public rushing off to change the names of those holidays

 

[/endschpeel]

 

Anyways, merry Christmas Everyone.

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It's the holiest day of the year, for me. The birth of Christ, our Saviour? Of course I view it as religous. If people are offended by my faith, they can just live with it. That's the way I am.

... Jesus wasn't born in December. He was born in spring, read the bible.

 

And isn't the resurrection supposed to be a bit more important? What with the whole cleansing and all.

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^ Just beause it's not the exact date doesn't mean it's not important. We can't know the exact date of Birth of Jesus, so your argument has no real merit (sorry of I sound like a jerk there - that's not my intention).

 

Jesus is the Messiah. Yes, the resurrection is important, but not more so than his birth. They both are equally important, IMO.

 

And I have read the Bible. Cover to cover;)

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@The Doctor

this is NOT meant to be a religious debate. KtheE just wanted to say Merry Christmas. I just verified some stuff about the Kuran. Everyone seemed happy with that

 

But inavariably someone just cant resist telling us how important Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha/Zeus/Yoda is to them, and someone else chimes in with how theyre an atheist, and eventually crap starts. Spirituality and rational discussion will never go hand in hand, at least not on LF, especially not at AHTO :p At the swamp, we have learnt this lesson very painfully, many years ago ... learn from our pain ! :p

 

There is already a thread for wishing people "merry Christmas".

 

This, Im hoping this will get closed before trouble ensues, as it does with 99.99% of religion threads outside the senate :p

 

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^ Just beause it's not the exact date doesn't mean it's not important. We can't know the exact date of Birth of Jesus, so your argument has no real merit.

It holds some merit, in that you claimed Christmas was the day of his birth, when description from the bible says it couldn't possibly be. :p

 

Jesus is the Messiah. Yes, the resurrection is important, but not more so than his birth. They both are equally important, IMO.

His birthdate is of no real importance in the scheme though, rather the day of his actions that (according to scripture) changed mankinds fate forever. The whole foundation of the judeo-christian religion is rested upon the resurrection.

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Who really cares about which days you celebrate stuff, you can celebrate what you want when you want.

 

I could go outside right now, light a couple sparklers, put some dogs on the grill, roll around in the snow, and celebrate Independence Day if I darn well feel like it:D

 

Christmass is the day many Christians have chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ, you can take it or leave it.

You don't have to celebrate Christmass during Christmass, and you don't have to celebrate Christmass during Christmass ;)

 

And I send a big huge "Get a life" to anyone who says Religious Discussion = Automatic Flamewar.

One step that Astro left out, just after atheist, and right before "crap starts" is the one where everyone comes in whining about flame wars, ironically escalating them into flamewars.

Keep a cool head so those of us who find these threads interesting don't get closed out of them every five minutes.

 

*uses civilian thread reset button*

 

I hope you enjoy whatever current or upcoming holiday you celebrate:)

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Spirituality and rational discussion will never go hand in hand, at least not on LF, especially not at AHTO :p At the swamp, we have learnt this lesson very painfully, many years ago ... learn from our pain ! :p

 

It is a pity. It's all but impossible to have a civilized religous debate here.

 

Back on topic: I may be an atheist, but merry Christmas to all you young people, and bah humbug to all you old ones.

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It is a pity. It's all but impossible to have a civilized religous debate here.

It isn't anywhere, my friend. There is no neutrality in either politics or religion, and there is too much variety. So that's the problem: Too many sides.

 

But if this made me sound like a jerk, ignore it please.

I may be an atheist

Same here. Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope that the next year will bring more peace and stability than the past 5 did.

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wow!!!!!!!???????????

 

take it easy guys, i was just showing some support, i wanted to tell you that no matter how your religion is, we are all humans and thats what important, you relation with god is determained by you and your god, what matter to me is your relation with me no regardness to your religion, and for the religion threads, i have made one and it wasnt closed, you just need to be openminded and respect other ideas...

 

anyway merry christmass, and no need to be offened, this thread is about peace not war.

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wow!!!!!!!???????????

 

take it easy guys, i was just showing some support, i wanted to tell you that no matter how your religion is, we are all humans and thats what important, you relation with god is determained by you and your god, what matter to me is your relation with me no regardness to your religion, and for the religion threads, i have made one and it wasnt closed, you just need to be openminded and respect other ideas...

 

anyway merry christmass, and no need to be offened, this thread is about peace not war.

 

Exactly :D

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