The youth of america

[CountVerilucus]

^^^^

 

 

I think we would do well not to generalize. I think some kids have good knowledge of politics and society. That doesn't make them wise though.

 

Yeah, im not too wise myself. i once did an airsoft gun drive-by on somebody, only i wasnt in a car. i was shooting from my friends house window, and then the cops... Though i am an intellectual, atleast more intellectual than most ppl my age.

[RevanA4]

And your evidence that people then a days thought ahead more than we do now?

 

 

gah wtf it took me three times to figure out what you were saying

 

I know more people older than I, that are always planing ahead and looking to the future. than don't think that way.XD

 

me I live life much like I play chess I'm always 5 steps a head of my current situation

[Carthaholic]

Not someone stamping ON their feet, I mean that a small child will put their foot down very hard, making a noise. Then they usually shout "It's not fair!" (usually this seems to involve sweets somewhere down the line...)

 

Oh! Gotcha. I have this tendency to read too fast and completely misunderstood what you said, lol.

[ET Warrior]

I know more people older than I that are always planing ahead and looking to the future.

Let us try to pick out the key word in that sentence.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say it was "older"

[stingerhs]

i personally don't see the point in worrying about things like this. children usually don't start thinking for themselves until late adolescence. until then, most of their political, moral, and religious ideas are directly fed to them by the most influencial people in their lives: their parents. IMHO, we have more to worry about the adults that control the nukes than the kids those parents are raising.

[Astrotoy7]

lolz... one of those "other people are stupid but not us" threads. People should stop thinking about what others may or may not be doing, and do their best for themselves, family & friends, and fellow man. This applies to children and adults all

 

 

mtfbwya

[RC-1162]

You may be a smart kid, but that doesn't make you a smart person

 

good point. that works in its opposit meaning too, like in hte case of einstein.

 

I think we would do well not to generalize. I think some kids have good knowledge of politics and society. That doesn't make them wise though.

 

actually, the only real wise people who are above the age of 70 IMO. thats when the realisation stikes you cuz you cant do anything fast enough to override your memory of what you did before

 

we have more to worry about the adults that control the nukes than the kids those parents are raising

 

well, you actually have to worry about both. if the kid gains knowledge about nukes from the adult-who-is-using-it's point of view, he/she will agree (ET, you proved your point) and try to use a nuke him/herself when he/she becomes older and has the authority to do so without getting pwned

[Ztalker]

We had a big debate about war and politics at our school too.

Kids now see war as in games: "We take an army, and kill the other army."

What they don't see is the political involvement.

 

President Johnson faked the Tonkin incident right? He killed millions of Vietnamese because of his lie.

The Dutch Marines are going to Afghanistan too, just because the politicans don't want to make America angry. Men will die there, and some stupid Harry Potter decides it has to be that way.

 

With all the respect, America is seen as the 'Superpower nr 1' of the world. Movies, games, everything supports that thought. But China has an lager air force, and the NATO isn't weak too. War is beiing made 'cool' by this society, and kids get eager joining.

 

Remember the game, America's army? It was just a lame recruitement-thingy.

Kids just don't see the reality:

War is the politicians chess, and the stake is human lives.

[CapNColostomy]

Yeah, im not too wise myself. i once did an airsoft gun drive-by on somebody, only i wasnt in a car. i was shooting from my friends house window...

 

So you were driving a house? Oh, it was a mobile home. I get it.

 

Anyways, yeah. You younger folks are worrying yourselves to death about a bunch of crap that you won't give two ****s about when you get older. Go outside and throw a ball around or something. Weapons on the moon, you say? Who gives a rats ass about that? Certainly not me.

 

Remember the game, America's army? It was just a lame recruitement-thingy.

 

Really? Because here I've been playing it all this time thinking it was also a kickass free game.

[RC-1162]

"Weapons on the moon, you say? Who gives a rats ass about that? Certainly not me"

 

you would if they were targeting your county with a nuke.

[El Sitherino]

Nah, I think Cap could care even less then.

[RC-1162]

^^^

he doesnt like life?

[RevanA4]

Weapons on the moon, you say? Who gives a rats ass about that? Certainly not me.

 

 

people who know me well, know I care if something like that gets put on the moon

[MdKnightR]

There are several reasons why many high school kids would say stupid things (note that I say many, not all)....

.....2. Everything they're currently being taught is watered down to make it really easy for every student to do well in school and get good grades (lest mommy and daddy become offended that their little darling made a B). When you get spoon-fed every subject, you aren't taught how to think critically....

 

OKAY!!! Time for a teacher's point of view....

 

Not EVERYTHING being taught is watered down to make it easy. I know that a bunch of kids failed my art classes over the years because they were under the assumption that they would be spoon-fed the subject. Right now in our school district, the vocational students are being required to take the same core academic classes as college prep students, so I would hardly say things are being watered down everywhere.

 

......3. Because of the 'No child left behind' program, the emphasis is on math, reading, and writing. Don't get me wrong, we need to do well in these areas. However, we also need to give appropriate time to things like history and civics. ....

 

And the ARTS Bottom line about NCLB, government needs to get its nose out of education and let the teachers do the jobs we were trained to do. There has been little to no good to come out of government interference in anything. Every few years, there is a new agenda for education without adequate time to discover if the previous agenda had any positive effects. Too often, it is the equivalent of a wholesale turnover in philosophy at every knee-jerk reaction of the politicians. For example, since the writing test was added to the SAT, every high school student in Georgia will be required to write a research paper in EVERY SUBJECT!!! That is 6 or more every year! I don't know about the rest of the college educated adults in the forum, but I barely authored that many the entire time I attended university. Keep in mind that I am not devaluing the necessity for research, but I do believe that this agenda is over-the-top politics.

 

 

.....5. Students are not being held accountable for actions--if they do something seriously wrong, a lot of them are going to get nothing more than a slap on the wrist--that's a parental problem more than the kids' problem. When you think you can get away with anything, you don't learn how to anticipate consequences for your actions.

 

This is not only a parental problem, although the problem does stem from parental involvement. Many times, the school has its hands tied on the issue of discipline. Over the years, I have noticed a grave decline in respect for authority since the paddles were abolished from the classroom. Many veteran teachers can vouch for this fact. I know that I didn't start having trouble as a teen until after they stopped allowing students to be paddled for their transgressions. Now we live in a society with kids who "know" that teachers "can't touch them" and yet we wonder why they have no respect for their education. All we can do is lock them away for a few days in In-School Suspension with the hopes that the time-out will affect their behavior in a positive fashion (a.k.a. bleeding-heart liberalism).

 

The fact is that when paddles were allowed in the classroom, they were seldom used. I can remember the days when the teacher would explain why it was there. The first child to test its validity would be marched out into the hall and spanked with the door open just enough for the class to hear the "whap! whap! whap!" After that, the teacher might not have to use it again all year because it struck a healthy fear into the classroom population. It is because of a few teachers who didn't utilize good judgement (or restraint) that the entire discipline system in the public schools is on the decline.

 

But about the issue of teens saying ignorant things, can anyone tell me of a time when everything they uttered was intelligent? I am embarrassed about many things I said as a teen, but I grew up. Hopefully most of the kids that Revan the Great spoke to will as well.

[CapNColostomy]

Meh, wait until you're living paycheck to paycheck. Not answering your phone because it's probably a bill collector. Wondering how you'll pay for your kids glasses or shoes. Youthful idealism of politics, foreign policies, and world affairs in general will start taking a back seat pretty ****ing quick. Of course those things are always somewhere in the back of your mind, but the sooner you realize there isn't **** you can do about it, the better off, and happier, you'll be. Enjoy your youth, and let people that get payed (handsomely, I might add) to worry about such things do the worrying.

[RevanA4]

Hopefully most of the kids that Revan the Great spoke to will as well.

 

 

ha you finally used my current username

 

 

The fact is that when paddles were allowed in the classroom, they were seldom used. I can remember the days when the teacher would explain why it was there. The first child to test its validity would be marched out into the hall and spanked with the door open just enough for the class to hear the "whap! whap! whap!" After that, the teacher might not have to use it again all year because it struck a healthy fear into the classroom population. It is because of a few teachers who didn't utilize good judgement (or restraint) that the entire discipline system in the public schools is on the decline.

 

you know most of the kids in my HS respected the teachers.

 

many of the teachers were actually very popular with the kids they taught. I think that can be atributed to the size of my HS a whole 350 students in all 4 grades combined.

 

of course nobody knows where the heck the town I live in is, In wisconsin.

 

but all and all I think my HS is probably the exception to the rule. BUT don't get me wrong we have our share of trouble makers, but we don't have to issues most bigger schools have.

[Darth InSidious]

Meh, wait until you're living paycheck to paycheck. Not answering your phone because it's probably a bill collector. Wondering how you'll pay for your kids glasses or shoes. Youthful idealism of politics, foreign policies, and world affairs in general will start taking a back seat pretty ****ing quick. Of course those things are always somewhere in the back of your mind, but the sooner you realize there isn't **** you can do about it, the better off, and happier, you'll be. Enjoy your youth, and let people that get payed (handsomely, I might add) to worry about such things do the worrying.

 

The only time you are powerless is when you believe yourself to be.

 

You seem to advocate a state of aristocracy. Is this an accurate description, or do you mean something else, and I've misinterpreted?

[Ztalker]

@CPN: Well, it was developed by the army as a training simulator, and they did use it to recruit people. I've read that some gamers did think about joining the army after playing the game.

I didn't say it was bad (cause the game itself rocks hard), just that it's a game that shows war is cool.

 

@ Subject:

Well, like Revan said, it all starts with respect. Friday night, some guys threw a Molotov cocktail into a classroom. One complete wing burned down. How sick can you be? (It was the lowest education-wing by the way).

[Point Man]

Every generation says this same thing about the people who will be following them. I can hear Socrates saying, "That Plato will never amount to anything..."

[lukeiamyourdad]

@CPN: Well, it was developed by the army as a training simulator, and they did use it to recruit people. I've read that some gamers did think about joining the army after playing the game.

I didn't say it was bad (cause the game itself rocks hard), just that it's a game that shows war is cool.

 

Except that it was actually pretty bad. I still don't understand why some people can play it...

 

That piece of **** had more pro-army ads and propaganda then...errr...pretty much everything in history.

[Jeremia Skywalk]

Ok Kids are stupid, i might as well be stupid to some limit, but I think it's not that we are kids, that makes us stupid- I know grownups, who are realy way stupider than me and my classmates, I am as allways being as objective, as I can, with all the information i know, but i think, that some of grown ups remembering how stupid they were as kids forgets, that they have done many good things back being kids. By the way. All great empires collapsed, mostly beacause they were made by conquering and real natives of that place took it back, thinking that Indians will strike back at USA is just riddicolous and i think if USA goes down it will take the rest of the world with it. No I am not American.

 

Edit:Yes sorry, I made decision too fast, they oftenly collapsed from innside (Empires), like making all armies of mercenaries, letting too many foreigners in their gouvernment etc.

[CountVerilucus]

Remember the game, America's army? It was just a lame recruitement-thingy.

Kids just don't see the reality:

War is the politicians chess, and the stake is human lives.

 

I heard a good quote about that from somebody famous it goes something like...

 

"War is old men talking and young men dying."

 

And if the US falls, you think there could be another dark age? thats what happened when Rome fell.

[ET Warrior]

America is hardly the roman empire, nor are we the source of intelligence and enlightenment to the world. If the US "falls" (whatever THAT means) the world won't suffer any loss of development. There are plenty of other countries who would take up the slack.

[RevanA4]

America is hardly the roman empire, nor are we the source of intelligence and enlightenment to the world. If the US "falls" (whatever THAT means) the world won't suffer any loss of development. There are plenty of other countries who would take up the slack.

 

unfortunately I'd have to dissagree with you.

 

it seems to me that the US has more influence than we realize.

 

but who knows.

 

By the way he is using fall isn't something we can apply to the US. All we are is a super power. Empires fall. super powers come and go like the wind.

[ET Warrior]

I didn't say the US doesn't have influence, but without the United State the other countries aren't going to go retarded, reject science, and start burning libraries.

 

I'd say if anything the United States is exerting a negative influence on the world as a whole, with our continuing move away from science to religion, but that's a debate best left to a different thread.