Point Man Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 You may be on to something there mjpb3 -- I came across this article a couple weeks ago. I knew buying Jae Knights would be a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 female main characters who are clothed in something besides 3 postage stamps and some string. Noo!! Not with today's graphics! Adjustable violence settings. If I want to see blood and guts, I'll go watch Medical TV or a Tarantino film. It's better when blood gets included in video games IMO - it makes it look more realistic. Kind of odd when shoving a spear into someone's stomach doesn't even draw blood. But adjustable settings are good with young kids. Having a password for them can be even better. I like a certain level of complexity, but again, I'm gaming to relax, not solve the physics equations for the Big Bang. Complexity's a good thing IMO - the best games I've played are the ones with rich, deep stories. It's just so much more enthralling and interesting than a typical FPS story. Stories are pretty much why I buy games anyway - the actual gameplay is secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I agree there. I don't play common FPS games, because they're just boring. I used to play them but it's always the same really. There are wonderful exceptions of course, Half-Life² for example. Or Perhaps Stalker. If I read through your first post Jae, I can't think of many games that aresufficient for you.. basically you rule out FPS, RTS and racing games with your criteria. RPGs are all that's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I knew buying Jae Knights would be a good thing So it would seem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuu Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Thanks for bumping this TK. I was wanting to post but I know it bugs people when old threads are resurrected. Personally I think the stereotypical division between women & men is permeated in the video game world. Even if it isi'nt an overt discrimination the lines are clearly drawn. Par example: I looked forward to playing Oblivion for months. When I finally got it I discovered that just like the other Bethesda games I've played the "romantic options" for a female char. were limited in comparison to those for a male character. Not to say it isn't a good game, when I get the chance to play I still enjoy it thoroughly. I just find it odd that game devs choose to ignore the statistics. Much of what I want out of my games is similar to Jae's concerns, but with a few adjustments. Real character personalities. Just because a woman is intelligent does not mean she is boring or ....unattractive. For that matter, just because a woman is bubbly & goofy doesn't mean she's stupid. If a dev chooses to integrate romantic quests then make it equal for both the sexes. </rant> F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Gotta agree with Fuu. Why can't you give equal options to both sexes? One thing I did not like about Fable was that it only allowed you to play as a male character. I know my wife would not want to play it because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 There's just something about going up to a woman in Fable and saying "Hey!! with that cheesy arm pump and then hearing her moan and declare "I think I felt Albion move!" that's just not on my 'to do' list.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 It takes time and developers to make female romances. If there's a low chance people will people will bother with them there's little point in making them. (Though Jae's article would say otherwise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 It takes time and developers to make female romances. If there's a low chance people will people will bother with them there's little point in making them. (Though Jae's article would say otherwise) I wouldn't say that there is a low chance people with bother with romances in games that allow you to play as a female character. In pretty much all the CRPG's I've played which has had them they've been largely popular, even in their somewhat lackluster implementation. They have contributed to keeping the community (and through it interest in the game) alive longer by improving replayability, spawning fan-fics, improvement/expansion mods etc. Even if they are only marginally connected to the main story, and are optional, they can add much to the emotional value, making many people feel more of an attachment to that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 There's just something about going up to a woman in Fable and saying "Hey!! with that cheesy arm pump and then hearing her moan and declare "I think I felt Albion move!" that's just not on my 'to do' list.... Psh, I just have to walk by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 It takes time and developers to make female romances. Perhaps it's more complicated? I'm no specialist, but satisfying a guy is pretty damn easy compared to satisfying a woman in the romance department. At least from personal experience... Yes, I agree that in KOTOR 1 for example, playing a female wasn't as satisfying, romance wise, as playing with a male character. However, I think TSL was better. Guys got the "ramp" joke and other stuff, while the female relationship was much more serious. It was a lot more fun to see Atton and Mical fighting each other over the Exile then the remarks made by the Handmaiden towards Visas. It was also deeper with Mical's "admiration" and Atton's general "she's mine!" attitude. I don't think women are more numerous then men, at least at what we can consider "pop" games. Occasionally, there's a bump on the road that appeals to everyone, the Sims or World of WarCraft for example (DDR if you're Asian). I think the offer only reflects the main gaming demographic. Women are not the majority at the moment and the market shows it. Women also need to become developers and producers to truly have a more female vision in video gaming. Since it has been mostly a guy thing for the last 30 years, men dominate. Professional sport could make a good comparison. There's more and more women who start to get interested in sports, but it's still nothing compared to us guys. Professional women's league in every sport has been largely unsuccessful. Except tennis, because of the mini-skirts and the sounds the players make when they hit the ball... It has been like that for a very long while and if things are going to change, they're going to take a long time to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Came across this Marketing to Older Women Gamers article and found that 52% of gamers are women. So...why aren't there more games geared to attract more women? Here's what I'd like to see in an ideal game: (snip) There should definately be a market for female gamers - well a stronger one atleast. I am a male gamer, but even i feel that the game industry is far too male orientated. Any female representation in video games is also very sexist in a male point of view, often been seen as sex symbols or sub-characters to the male heroin (strong examples being teh GTA series). Lara Croft is perhaps an exception, but initially that characer was a very male-orientated view of women with the 'perfect-shaped' sexy body of the character portrayed in the game. However the feistiness and independance in that female protagonist seemed to ovveride this flaw somehow. The worst examples of female mis-representation in a videogames are perhaps in the "Dead or Alive" series, or "Rumble Roses" series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 DOA??? Sure there's Jello physics, but there's also topless guys too so I'd say that balances out. Besides, it's not like any of those girls are defenseless girly stereotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Besides, it's not like any of those girls are defenseless girly stereotypes. Well you have a point there! Stumped me out good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Your lucky you didn't get a spartan plasma grenade stuck on your noggin for insulting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Your lucky you didn't get a spartan plasma grenade stuck on your noggin for insulting them. Don't get me wrong, i wasn't insulting them; i was just merely expressing that the characters were designed to a male perspective - i have nothing wrong with independant or strong women i just think the video game industry as a whole is built to a male liking and should, like most things in life, have more equality represented within it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 The worst examples of female mis-representation in a videogames are perhaps in the "Dead or Alive" series, or "Rumble Roses" series More or less I believe. I'll argue that they're the "porn of gaming". Mainstream movies and many indie ones don't portray women this way because that's not their point. On the other hand, porn does portray women in a...pornographic way. The same applies to both those games. It's how it's supposed to be. It does not mean that it can't coexist with a better representation of women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Women were designed to a male perspective, that's one of the reasons we like them. They just happen to be slightly more so in some games. Alyx now has you under close observation... I suggest you not insult her as well.... You know what happened to the combine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Women were designed to a male perspective, that's one of the reasons we like them. They just happen to be slightly more so in some games. Alyx now has you under close observation... I suggest you not insult her as well.... You know what happened to the combine... I suppose you have a point, what game is that screenshot from anyway, looks impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 I suppose you have a point, what game is that screenshot from anyway, looks impressive! Half-Life 2 Episode 1 I believe. You actually don't know Half-Life 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Half Life 2. And she destroys all in her path, while never losing her duct-taped hoodie. You seriously haven't heard of Half Life 2? Only one of the greatest games of all time... Edit: Apparently we are dealing with a hermit who hasn't played any decent games with positive female distereotypes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Half-Life 2 Episode 1 I believe. You actually don't know Half-Life 2? Loved the first one, haven't got the PC specs. for HL2 so haven't had the pleasure of playing it - sure is a motivation for me to get a new PC though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Apparently we are dealing with a hermit who hasn't played any decent games with positive female distereotypes... No, just havn't played Half-Life 2 yet. I have played many games with strong female representations in them; par exemple Tenchu with the character Ayame or Tomb Raider with Lara Croft (the later ones having a better representation though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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