Revan Vs. Exile

[JK24]

I think Cart was asking for a canonical fact, not an in-universe character's opinion.

So you mean to say that the K1 Masters' opinion on Revan is not canon? They're not biased towards Revan as Kreia is...ok, so maybe Zhar and Vandar a little, but Vrook admits it too and he doesn't like any of the Jedi who went to the Mando Wars, and especially Revan, the first one to go to war.

[Astor]

So you mean to say that the K1 Masters' opinion on Revan is not canon?

 

But it's still an opinion - where does it say out of the game that Revan was the strongest Jedi?

 

Until someone can come up with such proof, it's still an opinion.

[TKA-001]

So you mean to say that the K1 Masters' opinion on Revan is not canon?

You're damned straight.

[JCarter426]

Well Vandar, Zhar & the other K1 Masters say that Revan's Force potential is unlimited and that the force flows through him like no student they have ever seen before.

 

Well, a few things:

 

1. Revan was able to train in the Force so fast because he'd already done it before.

 

2. It's highly probably that the masters were just stroking Revan's ego, considering what they were asking him to do.

 

3. None of the Council had actually "seen" the Exile at that point (nor Nihilus for that matter). Before Malachor, the Exile was just an average Jedi with an interesting gift. Immediately after Malachor, the Exile had lost her connection to the Force, so the Council didn't see her as a threat until after they noticed the connection between her and Nihilus.

 

And on another matter...the Exile's bonding ability would actually be useful in a duel, because it allows the Exile to learn an opponent's fighting style quite quickly, allowing her to predict their movements.

[Jvstice]

1. Exile. Since Exile's being tested by Revan, to say that Revan would keep going once Exile proved her effectiveness would point to Revan being a moron. The fight would end whenever Revan were sufficiently impressed.

 

2. Depends. If it was over quickly Revan. If the Exile could draw it out more, then Exile would win. Revan knows more about the force. Exile is a freakishly quick study.

 

3. Same thing as #2. Revan knows some devastating hidden secrets about the dark side of the force if his memory's been restored. If it was a no holds barred force power fight, it wouldn't be any problem to use one of those force abilities or secrets to quickly get rid of the Exile. If he failed though, and the exile survived the initial attack, the Exile would add the new force power to her repetoire, become effective against guarding against it, and even be able to use it against Revan for the rest of the fight and beyond. And I expect that Revan would have a quite large bag of tricks, and the Exile's bag of tricks would grow quickly as the battle went on.

 

So if Revan had a way to win decisively from the get go, he'd win. If not, then the exile would win through attrition.

 

4. I'd have to go with Revan here. There's a decent case that I've seen that Revan allowed for his betrayal by Malak in order to get the council to do much of the work of clearing up his followers and getting them on his side. Also before that, he turned his back on everything once before, the Jedi order, the Republic, all he loved, etc. in order to defeat the Sith Empire. Then he did it again when he went off to fight the true Sith.

 

Exile turned her back on everything that mattered to her once, to save her life, out of fear.

 

In terms of sheer determination and willingness to sacrifice in order to gain victory, Revan is more willing to give up something important to him than the Exile is, and I think that would be what the winner out of the two would come down to.

 

5. In regards to the Rakata ship scenario, Revan since he was the better tactician.

[JCarter426]

In terms of sheer determination and willingness to sacrifice in order to gain victory, Revan is more willing to give up something important to him than the Exile is

 

The Exile gave up the Force. What's more important than that?

[Jvstice]

The Exile gave up the Force. What's more important than that?

Your mind. Knowing who you are.

[JCarter426]

Oh, Revan certainly wins there.

[Corinthian]

Exile wins. Revan was unable to become the more powerful Prestige Classes, and is thus outmatched.

[Rabish Bini]

My answers are unbolded.

 

[Look below before voting!]

 

Scenario 1#: Revan and Exile meet in unknown space, so Revan decides to test the Exile to see if taking the Exile along for the ride would be worth while and not a waste of time and energy. This is a duel, not a fight to the death... simply a test of strengths. Who would win this first duel?

 

Stalemate, they wouldn't be properly fightin, so nothin would happen.

 

Scenario 2#: Both the Exile and Revan must fight each other, preferably only till one gives up but with all the intent to win in the world. They find that advanced Force powers like Lightning, Push, ect are all not working, so they must fight only with their lightsabers and their physical bodies. Who wins the lightsaber duel?

 

Revan, As revan is a better duelist, and one of the most powerful dudes ever. He's just in a class of his own.

 

Scenario 3#: Both the Exile and Revan must fight eachother, preferably only till one gives up but with all the intent to win in the world. Both of them misplace or find their lightsabers unable to use. They must fight only with the Force and the Force alone, no physical combat at all. Who wins the Force duel?

 

Exile, as he is a wound in the Force, but if he wasn't a wound, probably a stalemate, as they are both really powerful in the force.

 

Scenario 4#: Revan and Exile meet and end up having to face eachother for one reason or another to the death. This is all the way, no holds bar battle to the death to which there can only be 1 standing in the end. Who triumphs over the other?

 

Revan, simply because he'd outclass him with a lightsaber.

[JCarter426]

Exile is a woman.

 

And we don't really know how skilled either one was in lightsaber combat. All we know is that they both were skilled, and that the Exile was able to quickly pick up on an opponent's style. So the Exile has the advantage in a lengthy duel.

 

I didn't actually answer the scenarios, so I guess I will now...

 

#1. What? If Revan is just testing the Exile, then the Exile is obviously going to win.

 

#2. Exile. As I said above, the duel would last long enough for the Exile to pick up on Revan's style and use it against him.

 

#3. Stalemate. DS Exile (basically a new Nihilus) would win, though (that goes for all four scenarios, really).

 

#4. Same as #2.

[TKA-001]

Exile wins. Revan was unable to become the more powerful Prestige Classes, and is thus outmatched.

QFE.

[Titanius Anglesmith]

Exile is a woman.

Not when I play.

[Knight Of Honor]

^^^^

 

Thats right, i dont like it either when someone is telling me what is canon or not in a game i love so much. When i play, i find my own interpretation of different things in the game to make it fit with my own imagination, until Kotor3 tell us that the exile actually was a female, its not "canon"

[JCarter426]

I'm not saying that you can't play as a male Exile (I do too sometimes, same with female Revan) but it's not canon. And it has nothing to do with KOTOR 3; K2 didn't tell you that Revan was male, did it? No, but that doesnt' change the fact that he is.

[Ctrl Alt Del]

Since the Exile rely on Force Bonds to acquire a Force connection, and Avery stated that they're alone, completely by themselves there, the Exile would be significantly weakened.

 

That said, the Exile could only possibly expect to win scenarios #1 and #2.

[JCarter426]

The ending of K2 implies that the Exile doesn't need the bonds anymore, though (especially if you look through the cut content).

[Ctrl Alt Del]

Yeah, he/she don't entirely rely on his/she bonds, but it's still one of the Exile's strong points. I take this as a great disadvantage when he/she's alone.

[jonathan7]

In my universe Revan is a LS woman and the Exile is a LS man...

 

Scenario 1#: Revan and Exile meet in unknown space, so Revan decides to test the Exile to see if taking the Exile along for the ride would be worth while and not a waste of time and energy. This is a duel, not a fight to the death... simply a test of strengths. Who would win this first duel?

 

Scenario 2#: Both the Exile and Revan must fight each other, preferably only till one gives up but with all the intent to win in the world. They find that advanced Force powers like Lightning, Push, ect are all not working, so they must fight only with their lightsabers and their physical bodies. Who wins the lightsaber duel?

 

Scenario 3#: Both the Exile and Revan must fight eachother, preferably only till one gives up but with all the intent to win in the world. Both of them misplace or find their lightsabers unable to use. They must fight only with the Force and the Force alone, no physical combat at all. Who wins the Force duel?

 

Scenario 4#: Revan and Exile meet and end up having to face eachother for one reason or another to the death. This is all the way, no holds bar battle to the death to which there can only be 1 standing in the end. Who triumphs over the other?

 

1. In a very closely faught fight, Revan jus has the edge due to preperation beforehand.

 

2. I have always though and still do think that the Exile is a more gifted Saber duelist than Revan, so in this scenaria... the Exile wins.

 

3. I have always thought Revan to be the much more powerful force user... Revan wins...

 

4. I'm going to cheat.... As both are LS they won't fight

[JCarter426]

Well, the Exile's alignment hasn't been canonized yet.

 

I'm also of the opinion that the Exile was the better duelist, due to her ability to pick up on an opponent's style, and Revan was more likely the stronger Force user, but they're very closely matched.

[jonathan7]

Well, the Exile's alignment hasn't been canonized yet.

 

I'm also of the opinion that the Exile was the better duelist, due to her ability to pick up on an opponent's style, and Revan was more likely the stronger Force user, but they're very closely matched.

 

I did say in my universe While no expert on such things (canonising an RPG seems to me to be a ghastly idea) I thought the canon was; Revan LSM and Evile LSF. WHile my universe is Revan LSF and Exile LSM.

 

Aye they are closely matched but I do agree that Revan is stronger with the Force while the Exile is a better duelist.

[JCarter426]

I did say in my universe

 

Ah, right.

 

I thought the canon was; Revan LSM and Evile LSF.

 

LSM Revan, yes, but officially, the Exile's alignment has not been decided (they're leaving it up to the makers of K3, methinks). Though all odds point to LS.

[TKA-001]

The ending of K2 implies that the Exile doesn't need the bonds anymore, though (especially if you look through the cut content).

Where?

[JCarter426]

Kriea's whole "I want you to feel the Force again" rant, and the cut "When the exile enters the Trayus Academy, she will be faced with a choice. One path, assuming she survives, will allow her to save her friends, but she shall be the weaker for it." bit.

[TKA-001]

1. How does what Kreia wants imply anything?

 

2. How does the cut one imply anything?