What kind of love interest theme do you guys want in K3?

[SilentScope001]

Agreed, he "resisted" to that dangerous choice of his, the love, and kept on the light. In fact, the only reason as to why he was gray aligned was that he cut relation with the Jedi Order.

 

...Actually, he DID not resist. He spared his lover, and becuase he spared his lover, Jolee indirectly killed many Jedi. Jolee should have mercy-killed his lover, and saved those Jedi that Jolee has killed. Jolee knew that, this is why he exiled himself.

 

Had Jolee not loved his wife, Jolee would have murdered his wife in the same way as Revan would murder a random Sith, thereby helping out the galaxy as a whole.

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Love will be in K3 for the simple reason that people want it and that it was in K1 and K2. The game developer Chris Avollne basically said love is an "ego-trip" and that it supposed to stink, so seeing him in charge of K3 could have him end up condemning love and going with Jediphile. I doubt it.

 

Frankly, if Jediphile wants some beniefts to denying love...it would be far better if people mod it in then, because I doubt the developers would ever do it, it would be far, FAR too risky.

[Jediphile]

Hm. To me it just doesn't make sense that way. The failure of the old Jedi code is that apparent in K2. Mical agrees with that. And do you really think that somehow Atton and Mira and the others would stick to the old flawed teachings, considering that they are heavily influenced by the Exile's teachings?

 

The jedi code, of which the ban on love is one rule, is flawed, yes. That does not mean anything the old order ever said is wrong by definition. The masters flaw was that they applied rules in absolutes, not that they had rules in the first place. They also refused to acknowledge their own shortcomings and thereby believed themselves above making mistakes. Which is always a mistake in itself. At no point is the rule that love is banned singled out as the cause of the old teachings. Indeed, while Jolee refuses to follow that rule, he is himself a primary example of why it's a valid point.

 

And as for the exile's teachings, where does it say that the exile would embrace relationships? The exile never goes all the way in any of the potential relationships, but rather seems to end up following Kreia's "advice" on the matter:

 

Kreia: "And, like you, he knew he must leave all loves behind as well, no matter how deeply one cares for them. Because such attachments are not the way of the Jedi, and they would only bring doom to them both in the dark places where he now walks."

 

Starwars just has to have a love story. Love is something inherently human and love interests are a very good addition to RPGs imo.

 

Given that the rule is there that makes no sense. It's a hard price of course, but just for once I'd like to see a Star Wars story where they actually take the rule seriously instead of just establishing that it's there and then hasten to trample all over it as quickly and heavily as they can - it's insulting!

[bolsen]

i agree with you jediphile, but i also disagree. i agree with you that a JEDI should not be allowed to have a love interest. but a FORCE USER can. it was fine for the exile to have a lover because the exile was not a jedi. revan on the other hand broke the rule. i would like to have a love interest in k3 (not mandatory though) but i also dont want to be a jedi. i just want to be an unaffiliated force user who chooses to either 1. help the galaxy or 2. harm the galaxy.

 

this way the person would have no qualms with breaking the jedi code, because this code would not apply to him.

[Corinthian]

The rule has been fairly conclusively shown to be more trouble than it's worth. In fact, it's one of my main reasons for my 'belief' that the Light Side isn't all that Light and the Dark Side isn't so dark. The Jedi basically teach you that a soulless automaton is the ideal. If only they could make Force-sensitive Droids.

[Jediphile]

The rule has been fairly conclusively shown to be more trouble than it's worth. In fact, it's one of my main reasons for my 'belief' that the Light Side isn't all that Light and the Dark Side isn't so dark. The Jedi basically teach you that a soulless automaton is the ideal. If only they could make Force-sensitive Droids.

 

No, the jedi merely embrace the idea that extreme emotions come with inherent risks. Rejecting a relationship does not make someone soulless. It IS a big price to pay, of course, but what bothers me is that people are so quick to dismiss the wisdom in it. Love is a CHOICE, not a duty. This may be difficult to grasp in our society, where the search for a mate to procreate with is strongly enforced by the norms - hence, "he can't find a girlfriend" or "she can't find a man", which are both very demeaning comments.

 

So I find lots of people rejecting the idea without ever considering it because "it's not how things are done". Yet at the same time, we reject the idea that we should allow our emotions to control us. We can't give in to hatred, jealousy, anger, lust or whatever other emotions you could mention. But for love it's suddenly supposed to be different, because society has rules that must be obeyed. So the question becomes, should the jedi follow true principles that make sense, or should they just mirror the ideals of our own society no matter what they might be? Because if jedi are to reject their emotions or risk becoming slaves to them, then love is also something to be wary off, I fear. Although the story is actually told badly and in an uncompelling manner IMHO, you need look no further than to Anakin to see that.

 

Droids? Nonsense. Yoda and Obi-Wan certainly aren't droids. They have lots of emotions. But they are wary of them and keep them in check. Anakin falls exactly because he will not control his love and so becomes its slave instead of its master. Whose choice was better?

[Corinthian]

Hardly. The Jedi ideal is to have no emotions. Hate, Anger, Love, Lust, hell, even totally benign ones like joy are frowned upon. A rather foolish idea, keeping all that bottled up can make big problems later. Amusing that the Jedi's main purpose was as negotiators and diplomats when there is absolutely no way for a Non-Jedi to relate to an Ideal Jedi.

[Jediphile]

No, no, no. The jedi don't reject emotions. I have no idea where this idea comes from. The jedi simply believe that you can never give in to your emotions. The idea that they somehow suppress them is utterly idiotic.

 

Anakin: "Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is central to a jedi's life. So you might say that we are encouraged to love."

 

To simply deny all emotions is the certain way to trouble - that's what we see in Atris if the exile is male. What Anakin tells us is that the jedi are very much aware of that.

[Corinthian]

Jediphile, what about the whole "There is no emotion, there is peace." Thing?

[Masgrtgr]

You know for all this talk about how only the Jedi frown upon relationships and attachments I don't really see why the Sith would necessarily support those things either.

 

Considering how the Sith are all about hating weakness and supporting strength and self reliance I could easily them making a no attachment rule. After all by having a attachment your admitting your too weak to be self reliant. And then I imagine love could interfere with what a Sith does.

[PoiuyWired]

Anakin: "Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is central to a jedi's life. So you might say that we are encouraged to love."

 

 

Sith definitely doe not forbid possession... And Sith does not forbid love either. Its a good recreation, and a nice form of manupilation, as having allies is always a good thing, even if its just temporary.. And Love, like any other strong emotion, give you power. Just remember that if the time comes your so-called love will not get in the way of you sendinga serrated knife through her guts.

 

Attachment are probably thawn upon by Sith though, everything is a pawn, there is no need to be attached.

[Lord Spitfire]

Okay, for male, you need a hot lass in her early-mid twenties, first and foremost.

 

She needs to be a Scoundrel of some kind. Maybe a gray allignment? You'll be able to romance her, or manipulate her. There should be some choice like that.

[Jediphile]

Jediphile, what about the whole "There is no emotion, there is peace." Thing?

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_code#Meaning

[Corinthian]

So "Set aside your emotions". When your emotions are set aside, you might as well not have them at all.

 

Incidentally, I discovered that there are in fact, Droid Jedi Knights.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Knights

 

It's like Extra-Strength Emotionless.

[Titanius Anglesmith]

So "Set aside your emotions". When your emotions are set aside, you might as well not have them at all.

No. "Set aside your emotions" simply means to be able to confront your emotions and have control of them. It means to not allow your emotions to dominate you.

 

Jedi clearly have and show emotions - Obi Wan, Yoda, and Luke all consistently show their emotions, and there are several others who do this as well.

[Corinthian]

Yoda shows emotions? Dang, you must be a heck of a face reader. Besides, no one ever said that Yoda was a perfect Jedi.

[Balderdash]

Yoda expresses emotion verbally at times, but rarely demonstrates it, or lets it influence him. That's the model on how Jedi are supposed to behave I guess. Yoda is actually as close to being a "perfect Jedi" as anyone's ever been.

 

He shows emotion pretty clearly in Episode III though, when order 66 is given and he senses Jedi are being killed across the galaxy. He reacts much like Alec Guiness' Obi-Wan did when Alderaan is destroyed.

[Jae Onasi]

Love and redemption are recurring themes throughout the entire SW movie series--Luke's love for his father redeeming Vader, and Vader destroying Palpatine finally to save his son being two of the biggest examples. You could have the same plot points and still include a little romance on the side. In Jediphile's case, for a lightsider compassion/platonic love/deep friendship might serve as an important part of the game, and for others, romantic love might play into such decisions.

 

I don't think that if you include romance that it excludes game play for those non-romantic Jedi types, in fact it might be good to have some slightly different content based on the decision to love/not love. That would increase the role-playing and replayability.

[PoiuyWired]

Kinda agree with Jae here for once.

The choice to or not to love someone who is clearly interested(or madly obsessed?) with you is role play also. Do you act cold, show compassion(jedi like), treat hir as family/siblings, or do you love back? I hope for once the love interest would show some initiative. Well, by that I mean some real initiative, and not the immature Brianna thing, or the bad pickup lines of emo Att.

 

Remember, sometimes a good old Kyle/Jan relationship would work well. That, and not all females like emo boy/emo boy who try to act cool/stalkers. Then again, same can be said for the male love interests... brat/cutter goth chick/(don't know what to describe but probably just as insufficient). And no this is not the start of a frame war... I mean, I actually like Visas. The thing is give us a different kind of target this time, and and breathe more life into it. Its ok to be a sterotype, and being a bit dramatic is nice, its star wars after all. I mean, Carth and Brianna at least feels alive.

 

And yes, While I am at it, can I suggest a hottie from another species? No, I don't mean Twi'lek, cause they are too play-thing like as they are almost born to be toys, but something non-human. Arkanina, Buese would be a good start(nice ladies) and for the female PC... A dev/freo would be nice.

 

PS: IRON KNIGHTS ARE NOT DROIDS IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. Its more like a robotic body for another lifeform, like some living crystal matrix or something. Forgot the story but pretty sure these guys are more cyborg body than Droids.

[John Skywalker]

My take on this little Debate is Anakin hits the nail on the head that Jedi can love unconditionally which is what he has for Padme, so what makes you think in kinghts our PC can't love the interest unconditionally? The jedi code is flawed and they always get battered by the Sith. I also wouldnt say Yoda is a perfect Jedi i'd say Anakin in Ep 3 would be closest to a perfect Jedi since he could see the goodness in people when others could'nt something that people and embraces his feelings. He isnt perfect though as he is head strong and irrational though.

[Titanius Anglesmith]

I also wouldnt say Yoda is a perfect Jedi i'd say Anakin in Ep 3 would be closest to a perfect Jedi since he could see the goodness in people when others could'nt.

Anakin? Perfect?

 

He disobeyed the Jedi Code, was constantly disrespectful to the masters, killed several Jedi (including a whole group of younglings), became a Sith, tried to kill his wife (and ended up succeeding in a way that he didn't intend), tried to kill his own master, then went on to hunt down every last Jedi remaining after Order 66. Yea... perfect Jedi.

[John Skywalker]

Anakin? Perfect?

 

He disobeyed the Jedi Code, was constantly disrespectful to the masters, killed several Jedi (including a whole group of younglings), became a Sith, tried to kill his wife (and ended up succeeding in a way that he didn't intend), tried to kill his own master, then went on to hunt down every last Jedi remaining after Order 66. Yea... perfect Jedi.

 

Firstly i said Anakin is the CLOSEST thing to a perfect Jedi and i was also referring to the first half of episode 3 and why would i be referring to the whole movie when he turns into a sith? SITH and JEDI are two different things, remember that in the future.

[Salzella]

Anakin has never been the perfect Jedi, because at that point he was still in love with Padme, and he was arrogant and aloof even from Ep. II. Imo, the closest to a 'perfect' Jedi would be Obi-wan, but that's besides the point.

 

As for the luvvin' i'd say something like the system used in KOTOR I would be good, where it was essentially optional, but it did improve the gameplay. As Jae said, these are recurring themes, and the heroes of this series are never real Jedi anyway, they are more 'human', they have more experience, in a way.

[Gargoyle King]

At the end of the day, Anakin did fall to darkness, thus becoming the very thing he as a jedi would swear to destroy. It doesn't matter how good he was halfway through episode 3; all that matters is the very fact that Anakin's weakness in character and lust for vengeance and power meant that Anakin was doomed from the very onset of his Jedi career. In ep. 1 all of the Jedi masters could sense Anakin as a potential near-future threat, and ultimately they were correct. Thus Anakin's aggressive nature and his connection to emotions prove that Anakin was never the perfect Jedi, and never would have been, period.

 

Pet hate aside

I think a love theme in K3 should be less focused on, it wouldn't work especially if the exile is joining Revan to fight the "True Sith Empire". I feel for it to work the game would need to be quite dark with a lot of action and less emphasis on emotion, a love theme would focus the player away from the Sith theme in the game, and because the sith should be a main theme in this game emotions will make the plot seem less serious.

[Windu Chi]

I will like a love interest theme where you can flirt with any women on your ship; have them be competitive with each other for the PC's love.

A theme where the PC can sneak around if he want to with any of them without anyone of the women finding out if your steath skill and persuade skill is high enough to persuade either one of them you are being faithful; a option to cheat since that will make it more real.

Also with the other men in your party, you can be competitive with them to gain the love interest of any of the women in your party.

Well, you know speak more game to the chicks in your party, better than the others guys in your party; if your persuade skill or influence skill is higher enough.

Also if you manage to piss one of the chicks off in your party, you can try too win them back, if your influence skill is good or you can have a option to seduce the women, for those of us guys who believe they can accomplish that difficult task or those who actually can do it.

That also will make it more realistic.

[John Skywalker]

Well i only think Anakin's near perfect in my opinion, i will watch the prequel trilogy again and get reasons for this.

 

There has to be a love story involved in the game since it is one of the most popular themes in Star Wars. I do agree with the people that say make it optional and different events happen if you choose to fall in love or not.