KOTOR III - Really going to happen?

[Son of Skywalker15]

Bite your tongue...sheesh.Why?If you want a SW MMO go play Galaxies.KotOR is a game known and loved for it's awesome storyline.KotOR MMO is for fanboys.

 

That's real mature, insult me because you don't agree with me. I do, actually, play Star Wars: Galaxies , and it is a decent game. Knights Of The Old Republic is loved for not only its storyline but very smooth (on the PC and Xbox) gameplay. If you read my blog, I don't think a Kotor MMORPG should replace a Kotor III; quite the opposite. I think they should make both, opening the Saga to whole new branch of fans. While you may not like Galaxies, thousands of others do and like it because it's an MMORPG. Think about the possibilities of combining both groups. A smart move if it's done correctly.

 

Why? The Jedi Problem. Too many Jedi and the game become stupid as an "Army of Generals" game. Too few Jedi and...er...it's not Star Wars anymore.

 

I believe if they make the game, they should make the Jedi class only avaible to people who unlock it. That's how it was in Galaxies originally, and the only complaint (no one is ever truly happy.) was that it was to hard. I wonder, have either of you played the game post SOE or are you going by what people are saying?

[dewayne26]

i played swg for over 4 years. i don't mind all the jedi. my problem was the combat system and the way push the nge the live servers when they knew it wasn't ready

[SilentScope001]

I believe if they make the game, they should make the Jedi class only avaible to people who unlock it. That's how it was in Galaxies originally, and the only complaint (no one is ever truly happy.) was that it was to hard.

 

Yes, but then locking out content for only a few people to get it sounds...stupid. And if people do level up to 60 or such and GET the Jedi Class...you get back to the same problem, it becomes an "Army of Generals".

 

I wonder, have either of you played the game post SOE or are you going by what people are saying?

 

Going by what people are saying. Which leads to the other reason against MMOs.

 

Many people don't like them. And time devoted to making MMOs could be better off being used for other stuff that more fans would prefer. It takes a lot of effort to come up with content, and may not be profitable or useful in the long term.

[TKA-001]

Lucasarts has never failed to cash in on the popularity of Star Wars. Therefore, it's a simple fact that there will eventually be a K3.

[Darca Lar]

or a spinoff, the possibilties are deserting eachother by the month.

[Carodej]

I voted for the no way option since I think it's the closest to what is likely to happen, though I do still believe there is a small chance we might get a KotOR3. I wish I had special knowledge of what LucasArts is doing in regards to another KotOR, but since I don't, I can only speculate like everyone else. My perspective is shaped by many years in a large corporate environment where I dealt a lot with IT projects, their projected costs and benefits, the politics of getting a project done, etc. So based on that, here is my best guess as to the way things are going...

 

KotOR3 is still being considered by LucasArts. Unfortunately, during the meetings on choosing which game(s) to develop next, the amount of potential games LucasArts has with a net profit potential greater than KotOR3 has been equal to or greater than the number of games LucasArts wishes to be developing at the time. Worse (for us), is that LucasArts seems to only want a very limited number of new Star Wars games out each year. This means that by the time LucasArts is ready to do a new one there is an increasing greater chance they will have a new and "better" game idea to try instead. (Think about this for a moment, for people whose job is to develop game ideas, then the best way to "prove" their competence is to come up with something better than the existing ideas, which motivates them to try to sell their new concept as best they can. Therefore there are almost certainly LucasArts employees who are effectively working hard to make sure we won't get a KotOR3.) Also as time passes, the existing base of eager KotOR fans awaiting a KotOR3 is shrinking, something that they are surely aware of at LucasArts. Then there is their new Star Wars game, the Force Unleashed (which does look pretty cool, if more in the general style of a FPS using the Force as opposed to a CRPG - at least based on what little I have seen on their site). If this is successful, I expect LucasArts will be much more interested in a sequel for that, as opposed to going back to KotOR.

 

I could have gone on, but to me it pretty much boils down to a small and ever decreasing chance of LucasArts doing a KotOR3. My main hope is a change in key personnel in LucasArts, or a change in their policy of making so few new Star Wars games.

[Char Ell]

KotOR3 is still being considered by LucasArts. Unfortunately, during the meetings on choosing which game(s) to develop next, the amount of potential games LucasArts has with a net profit potential greater than KotOR3 has been equal to or greater than the number of games LucasArts wishes to be developing at the time.

If games like LEGO Star Wars and Battlefront sell better than KotOR then it seems logical for LA to continue making those games to maximize profit. And from all accounts I've read both of those franchises sold more units than the KotOR franchise.

Worse (for us), is that LucasArts seems to only want a very limited number of new Star Wars games out each year.

IMO it's a mixed bag. On the one hand I think SW gaming fans want LA to release high-quality games, not shortchanged ones like KotOR II: TSL. So if LA needs to make fewer SW games so they can focus on quality instead of quantity then that is a good thing. As you point out however the unfortunate tradeoff is some games won't get made.

This means that by the time LucasArts is ready to do a new one there is an increasing greater chance they will have a new and "better" game idea to try instead.

Agreed. It seems likely that LA will have games to support the two new SW TV series so that again puts the squeeze on KotOR.

My main hope is a change in key personnel in LucasArts, or a change in their policy of making so few new Star Wars games.

I think chances of the first hope are quite slim. The second one could have wiggle room. LA has tried to limit their SW games in the past and didn't get it done. LA is a different company with Jim Ward at the helm though. I think he is more likely to stick to his guns on the two SW games/year though if LA doesn't release enough successful non-SW games then I think they might not be able to resist the temptation to dip more often in the good ole' reliable SW well.

[Jazz.z]

Well, Lucas Forums moderators should be really weird to open a specific forum to discuss about kotor III if they knew it wasn't going to happen. Imagine how many DS points they could gain from this.

[Linky Triforce]

It will come, but I do not think it is on the table just yet..

 

They have said that they haven't forgotten about the Knights of the Old Republic series, Republic Commando series and the Battlefront series(coming one out to PSP soon)

 

Currently most of their development is going into their new system DMM and Europhia for The Force Unleashed, Indiana Jones and Fracture. If they do make one, I think they are going to break away from the mold we have now, and try to add the DMM/Europhia to the game... which means it'll probably be a inhouse project and probably only for a 360/PS3 since I doubt a PC can handle it at the moment(well casual PC's anyways and i'd rather play it on a PC than a console)

 

 

My guess is that after the force unleashed game is out(spring 2008) we are either going to see a couple of new star wars titles:

 

Highest chance of new Star Wars game

 

1) Battlefront series (very popular game, but very simple too)

2) Jedi Knight series (probably one of LucasArts longest and best selling games todate)

3) Republic Commando series (ranked so high because it has been so long since this was released, and people have waited longer... that and another book is out this fall based on these)

4) Knights of the Old Republic series (would really like a Knights 3! and even a 4 and 5. But a very expensive type of game to make due to large storylines, loads of voice actors and work hours)

5) All new Star Wars game series (LucasArts is always on the edge of new developments, and the Star Wars galaxies is so huge that there is always a new story to be told)

6) Empire at War series (the last expansion sucked, was buggy and probably did more harm than good)

 

Lowest chance of a new Star Wars game

[John Galt]

Maybe George is just waiting until we all give up hope to announce K3...

[Rev7]

It won't be out for at least another year.

[Emperor Devon]

Best to assume it just isn't going to. That way you'll avoid any disappointment if you're right and be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.

 

Speculation is all useless IMO, though. We've already got two great games with memorable characters, and it's obvious how KotOR III would end anyway (good triumphing over evil). I kind of enjoy having the true Sith kept in the dark, too - we all fear the unknown, and the reason I think the true Sith seem so fearsome is that they are unknown. That and we've not run into the inevitable troubles involved in integrating Revan/Exile into the story, or have had to witness *another* PC come out of nowhere and go from zero to hero. (Oh gods, if they did that again...)

 

So anyway, whether KotOR III comes out or not I'll be a happy camper. But either it will or it won't, and me speculating over it isn't going to change that.

[Jediphile]

If games like LEGO Star Wars and Battlefront sell better than KotOR then it seems logical for LA to continue making those games to maximize profit. And from all accounts I've read both of those franchises sold more units than the KotOR franchise.

 

You're probably right, but LA's premise escapes me. It's as if the company presumes all Star Wars games will sell to the same audience simply because they are Star Wars games. To me that is a misconception, because I need look no further than myself to see the theory disproven. I'm attracted to CRPGs and few other games. Granted, I do own Battlefront, but only after the pricetag fell after the release of Battlefront 2. I don't own Battlefront 2, and I'm not going to unless I stumble across it in the cheapos pile. And I'm not even going to go looking for it there, either.

 

Not so with KotOR3, which I'm seriously going to consider buying at the full price tag when it comes out.

 

I have none of the LEGO Star Wars games, and I'm not going to either. I don't play kids' games on my computer. Don't get me wrong - that's no bash against Legos. I like Legos, but they just aren't Star Wars to me, and so I'm not going anywhere near any game that combines the two.

 

So basically LA is making very little or no money from me as long as they continue this policy, because I won't be interested in the games they publish.

 

Battlefront, KotOR and LEGO Star Wars may all be Star Wars games, but to assume that they will all appeal to the same audience for that reason alone is a pretty far leap IMHO.

 

IMO it's a mixed bag. On the one hand I think SW gaming fans want LA to release high-quality games, not shortchanged ones like KotOR II: TSL. So if LA needs to make fewer SW games so they can focus on quality instead of quantity then that is a good thing. As you point out however the unfortunate tradeoff is some games won't get made.

 

While that sounds plausible, you seem to me to presume something that I don't think is the case, namely that LA can only develop so many games at a given time. But since LA develop few of those games themselves, that does not seem to me to be the case. LA usually hires others to make the games for them, so development time really isn't an issue, I think, as there are certainly enough developers around.

 

It's true that there is a chance of oversaturating the market if too many Star Wars games are published, but the "only two Star Wars games per year" philosophy just seems flawed given that the games don't all target the same audience. If they did, we would not hang around here wondering about when or if KotOR3 is coming out - we'd be playing the newest Star Wars games and discussing them on the relevant forums. I know that I do neither, and I doubt I'm the only one.

 

So while LA might make more money on LEGO Star Wars and Battlefront than from KotOR - and I don't know if that's the case or not - they are cheating themselves out of the money they could make from people like me, because we're not going to buy the games they publish.

 

That being the case, the only valid consideration for whether KotOR3 should be made or not (assuming that a suitable and compelling plot exists or can be written) is really whether LA would make a profit on it, not whether Battlefront 3 or LEGO-whatever would make more money. Profit is still profit. Even if you make less of it from KotOR3 than you do from Battlefront 3, you're still making more $$ altogether.

 

Instead LA is now losing people like me from their potential audience - and therefore losing potential profit - because I'll be going elsewhere with my money. Heck, LA doesn't even need to look for a developer, seeing as how Obsidian is actively pushing for a KotOR3.

 

This is really a no-brainer, LA. What's the hold-up?

 

My prediction: Yes, KotOR3 will come. But we're all better off presuming that it won't, because it could be a long wait indeed. Hope for the best, but always expect the worst...

[Rev7]

Best to assume it just isn't going to. That way you'll avoid any disappointment if you're right and be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.

 

Speculation is all useless IMO, though. We've already got two great games with memorable characters, and it's obvious how KotOR III would end anyway (good triumphing over evil). I kind of enjoy having the true Sith kept in the dark, too - we all fear the unknown, and the reason I think the true Sith seem so fearsome is that they are unknown. That and we've not run into the inevitable troubles involved in integrating Revan/Exile into the story, or have had to witness *another* PC come out of nowhere and go from zero to hero. (Oh gods, if they did that again...)

 

So anyway, whether KotOR III comes out or not I'll be a happy camper. But either it will or it won't, and me speculating over it isn't going to change that.

 

 

I totally agree with you ED, Expect the worst hope for the best....

[Henz]

It'll be too long to wait for a traditional KOTORIII to be successful in LA's eyes. I think a spin-off game may happen though.

[Alexander the Great]

If they make a K3, it will be in the distant future, as in a couple of years before release AT LEAST. I hope it's made by Obsidian, since the plot, IMO, was much more interesting than that of K1's besides the good old K1 twist. If LA is making it, we'll have to wait even longer, since they're busy on the Force Unleashed.

[Rev7]

Nothing is going to happen anytime soon though.

[Son of Skywalker15]

Best to assume it just isn't going to. That way you'll avoid any disappointment if you're right and be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.

 

Speculation is all useless IMO, though. We've already got two great games with memorable characters, and it's obvious how KotOR III would end anyway (good triumphing over evil). I kind of enjoy having the true Sith kept in the dark, too - we all fear the unknown, and the reason I think the true Sith seem so fearsome is that they are unknown. That and we've not run into the inevitable troubles involved in integrating Revan/Exile into the story, or have had to witness *another* PC come out of nowhere and go from zero to hero. (Oh gods, if they did that again...)

 

So anyway, whether KotOR III comes out or not I'll be a happy camper. But either it will or it won't, and me speculating over it isn't going to change that.

 

 

I agree with most of what you said. Except for the speculation is useless part. Speculation is fun, and while it won't affect the outcome of Kotor III, it is a wonderful way to use your imagination. I hope that they make a Kotor III (and they can still make the True Sith mysterious, by the way.) if they don't there are always other ways to know the story.

[Da_Man_2423]

I think deep down we all want a KotOR III, some of us caring less than others. Even if we know what happens in the end of the game, it's still worth playing in my opinion. Maybe LA and the devs throw a curveball at us all and it's something none of us expected.

[Ztalker]

Originally Posted by Da_Man_2423

I think deep down we all want a KotOR III, some of us caring less than others. Even if we know what happens in the end of the game, it's still worth playing in my opinion. Maybe LA and the devs throw a curveball at us all and it's something none of us expected.

 

That curveball's called "The Force Unleashed."

[Kas'!m]

Nothing is going to happen anytime soon though.

 

 

No, it's never coming out, so stop wasting your time thinking about it, people. The closest thing we will ever get to KOTOR III is the countless fan-fics being written by loyal fans

[Rev7]

No' date=' it's never coming out, so stop wasting your time thinking about it, people. The closest thing we will ever get to KOTOR III is the countless fan-fics being written by loyal fans[/quote']

they can't just leave us hangin, eventually KotOR III will come out, EVENTUALLY. I you don't agree you don't agree, we all have our own idea on this subject.

[jesusfreaks_90]

I'm not so sure Kas'!m in a recent interview with Chris Avellone (the main guy in the makeing KOTOR 2) at the end of the interview he said he cant talk about K3. Last time he had an interview he said that they would like to make it. Chris Avellone interview

[Rev7]

That mean EVENTUALLY that there will be a KotOR III...

[Master Shake]

I do believe a kotor 3 will be made and it should be made by obsidian because i think kotor 2's story was way better than the first and because chris avellone is a genius and he'll find some way to surprise us all