TripHammer Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 In the duel of Palpy and Yoda... Palpatine makes mention that "Vader will become more powerful than either of us". But Vader never does. I guess we can thank Obi Wan for creating another cyborg that uses the force (Grievous comes to mind). But I started thinking.. do you think Anakin would have actually been more powerful than the emperor if he never wound up on the low ground against Kenobi and became stumpy the burnt toast sith? If left to develop into a sith apprentice unimpeded by his disability or handicap that Obi left him with... Do you think Vader indeed could have been the emperor? Before his duel with Obi Wan.. Anakin was speaking of ruling his empire with Padme at his side... So Anakin definitely had ambitions for it. Did Obi take some steam out of his step... and Vader was content at being the Emperor's gopher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Vader would always like to take over, he said the same thing to Luke. And yes, I do think that Palpy is going to Die by Anakin's hands one way or another anyways. While it might not be Palpy's landing on Mustafar, it could certainly be within the next few years ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Most likely. The alternate ending of the Revenge of the Sith game, kinda helped. Anakin/Darth Vader had intentions to overrule the Empire, and probably would. Just like Sidious did to his master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 GL says that Anakin would have become the most powerful force user ever, if he had not been so badly maimed by Obi-Wan, but even if he was more powerful than Palpatine, he had nowhere near the guile, nor the intelligence. He could not rule the Galaxy imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 GL says that Anakin would have become the most powerful force user ever, if he had not been so badly maimed by Obi-Wan, but even if he was more powerful than Palpatine, he had nowhere near the guile, nor the intelligence. He could not rule the Galaxy imho Indeed. Palpatine didn't become Emperor by strolling into the Senate chamber tossing around bolts of lightning and force choking people left and right. Brute force only works so far if you want to usurp power in something as vast as the Galactic Republic. Guile, manipulation, scheming, political maneuvering and plotting were just as important as raw strength in the force for that. Palpatine was a skilled puppet master, knowing how to pull people's strings to make them do as he wished. Anakin was a typical enforcer/right-hand-man/Malak type of person who could get the dirty work done, but was never portrayed as much of a mastermind or a charismatic person with political influence other than what he got through Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 If you're only refering to the Anakin of the prequels then I'd have to agree with you. But the Darth Vader of the OT (esp. ESB!) was perfectly capable of ruling the galaxy. You see, they're two completely different characters. Prequel Anakin was a friggin' idiot that totally undermined the character of Darth Vader, IMHO. Yet another reason why I despise the prequels with every fiber of my being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fettscommander Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I think anakin would have attacked palpie if he hadn't killed padme and if he hadn't been turned into a cyborg. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredi Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Yeah ... Vader can kill Sidious ... Vader is stronger ... even with his problems as cyborg ... still he could have become Emperor ... I just wonder why he did not killed Palpy on the 20 something years that passed from Epi.III to IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Vader as he was in Episode III obviously couldn't rule the Empire, even if he could kill Sidious. Vader as he was during the Galactic Civil War obviously didn't kill Sidious because if he tried, he would get killed exactly like in Episode VI. To be hϕnest, I have doubts that even with his reputation and experience of the OT that Vader could rule the Empire. Almost everybody in the entire Empire hated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 In the Ep. 3 video game, you can choose to kill Obi-Wan and kill Sidious and become Emporor or follow the movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I don't think that Anakin would make a very good Emperor, anyways. He just doesn't have it. I don't really tyhink that Anakin (Vader) had the courage to overthrow the Emperor. Its as simple as that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 In the Ep. 3 video game, you can choose to kill Obi-Wan and kill Sidious and become Emporor or follow the movie... Wrong. It is true that in the game Vader can kill Sidious, but it is never implied that he becomes the Emperor. Δs soon as Vader kills him, the screen fades to black and the game ends, obviously to prevent the player from having to undergo the disappointment of having to see their character get gunned down by the nearby clone troopers immediately afterward. I don't think that Anakin would make a very good Emperor, anyways. He just doesn't have it. I don't really tyhink that Anakin (Vader) had the courage to overthrow the Emperor. Its as simple as that.... I disagree that he wouldn't have the "courage" to attack Sidious. His conversation with Obi-Wan prior to their duel indicates that he was already planning on killing the Emperor, so I think the fact that he would get wasted in any confrontation is a more obvious issue. Then there's the matter of getting the support of the Imperial leaders, which is doubtful considering his lack of a reputation at the time, which was already discussed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Well, didn't we see Anakin hesitate to attack the Emperor in ROTJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 True, but only because he thought Sidious would stop, when he didn't then he attacked Sidious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Wasn't Palpatine refering to Vader one day killing him? and taking his place as Master and presumably emperor, like the other Sith before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Well Palp said, "Vader will become more powerful than either of us", as you already know. I am not really sure what he was really trying to say. I think that he said that only because Anakin was the chosen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 George has stated that if Anakin wasn't maimed at mustafar he would of surpassed the Emperor and probably taken his place, but cyborg Vader was roughly 80% as powerful as the Emperor so, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 That shold pretty much answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSeverus Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Well on the subject of the game Episode III ending I doubt the troopers there could have gunned down Anakin, anymore that the remaining clone troopers in the Jedi Temple were able to gun down Obi-Wan or Yoda. Whether Anakin would have had any chance of being accepted as Emperor after killing Sidious (if he had not lost to Obi) is another question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuuKage Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 If I recall correctly, the clonetroopers on Mustafar in the Ep3 game's alternate ending seemed to accept Vader's claim of lordship over the Emperor. Theoretically, it's likely that they were conditioned to accept the Sith way of Apprentice overcoming the Master, and then rather than kill the "traitor", follow him instead. They followed a Sith Lord like Palpy without question, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I doubt the troopers there could have gunned down Anakin, anymore that the remaining clone troopers in the Jedi Temple were able to gun down Obi-Wan or Yoda. There's a big difference between this hypothetical situation and the Obi-Wan and Yoda situation: Yoda and Obi-Wan were ready for the clones with their lightsabers drawn, and they obviously started at α normal distance. In this instance, Vader was standing less than a yard away from the clones and didn't even have his lightsaber on. It would be as easy for the clones to kill him then as it would be any of the Jedi in Order 66 (as seen in the movie). Theoretically, it's likely that they were conditioned to accept the Sith way of Apprentice overcoming the Master, and then rather than kill the "traitor", follow him instead.They followed a Sith Lord like Palpy without question, after all. That's insane. Why would Palpatine make it easier for someone to kill him and get away with it? Palpatine specifically crafted the Empire's government and military (especially the stormtroopers) to be loyal to him alone. Ultimately, everyone answered to him, and the clones had no reason whatsoever to accept the execution of their leader over some arbitrary rule in an obscure culture that they didn't even know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSeverus Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Well, the Jedi gunned down at close range didn't know to be on their guard against treachery from their own clone troopers and had their guard down. However, Anakin knew all about the clone's nature and their possible allegiance (having just wiped out the Jedi of the Temple with them), so he have been aware of this and had the clone trooper's on his 'Force radar', and he was not unarmed, in the game scenario his lightsaber remains in his hand. 2nd, there's a big difference between a majority of Jedi and those of the calibre of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Yoda (and later Luke etc) these are the exceptional among the Jedi, so what succeeded with other Jedi failed with them partly due to that (certainly at least in Yoda's case). In the end I guess this scenario will ulitmately be down to someone's personal opinion though, (since it never happened in the movie, and the game doesn't resolve it either) but IMO I don't see those troopers taking Anakin down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 If Vader was stupid enough to even consider killing Palpatine right in front of his men in that situation, then that proves that he would never expect the clones to turn on him. Beζides, even if he was so far above the caliber of other Jedi (no evidence to support such assumptions), I seriously doubt that it would be possible for him to deflect laser fire from eight clone troopers at once at point blank range, with each clone facing him from different angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Force Jump, anyone? I'm sure that there are ways. I don't think that the Clone Troopers would just let Vader off of the hook though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Why argue about something that never happened? I mean really, it never happened, can't you just watch or read something without wondering, well what if... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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