How Powerful was Revan

[JediMasterJambi]

Lol? Do you know G-canon > all? That G-canon = what george lucas said? If you can't even know the fact that what george lucas says is supreme g-canon. Nobody is going to take you seriously at all which has been the case.

You seem a little hot under the collar my friend. The movies are the prime of the Jedi. They're all G-Canon. Anything compared to it can be de-cannonized.

-Thats why I said you can't compare Movie Characters to EU characters.

By your logic, I can basically say...

An Ewok is more powerful than Revan, because hes G-canon, and Revan is C-Canon.

Im not bias, im stating the facts, you on the other hand admitted your a revan fanboy and cannot accept the fact that it has been official that sidious > revan.

Yes, i'm a Revan fanboy, but I can see logic. You on the otherhand don't seem to admit your a Palpatine fanboy, because you refuse to except logic. Your opinon isn't truth.

 

Oh but it has the same level of canon, the new essential chronology states this. Leland chee, the one who establish canon states this in his blog on star wars.com. The ultimate visual guide states its canon.

For your information, dark empire came out before the concept of the chosen one seeing it came out of 1992. However its still canon, accept it and move on with life.

You sir are not a lucasarts employee, you DO NOT define canon nor do you discredit, because recent books like the new essential chronology dictated the events of dark empire and has received canon status.

Firstly leland chee has the authority to remove canon status and at the same time give it, and secondly DE is C-canon, Not g-canon. Even if lucas didn't give it G-canon simply because it wasnt a movie, it still classified as c-canon and thus it means palpatine > your precious revan. Hell i can even name you feats that make revan look weak that palpatine has demonstrated..

1992 or not. The movies canonize The Chosen One. I never said I was a Lucasarts Employee, nor was I the first one in this thread to start bantering about Canon level. You were.

DE isn't G-Canon, its Canon conflicts the movies (Which are G-canon). Its not my opinon, its a fact. You just refuse to except it.

ESC?

That's an E-mail from Dan Wallace himself. Since you seem to like throwing your big names around. Dan states that his OPINON of Sidious was that he thinks hes the most powerful Sith Lord ever.

Kinda makes it a bit less Canon than what you use it for.

 

"In the Dark Empire series, Palpatine tells Luke that the Battle of Endor was not his first death, and that he had started transferring his spirit into clone bodies years prior to that, when his original body had degenerated as a result of heavy use of the dark side. However, Lucasfilm official Leland Chee has recently stated that Palpatine was lying to Luke about having died previously, and that Palpatine's demise on the second Death Star was definitely the first time he died, although not the last.[74]

 

Chee also stated that, while Palpatine's clone bodies do degenerate as a result of the strong presence of dark side energy within them, his original body did not degenerate in the same way, and he only had to start switching bodies periodically as a result of having to use clone bodies following the destruction of his original body at Endor. "

 

Oh wait got nothing on the movies? Then i guess kotor too got nothing on the movies seeing that it is classified in the same category as the NEC under C-canon.

I already said that KotOR dosen't CONTRADICT the movies. Dark Empire, however, does.

 

My point? Skill is what it takes to defeat your opponent, regardless of what form as it is only a mere advantage. Evident by count dooku defeatng mace windu in the clone wars when supposidly vaapad/juyo > makashi.

Very unture. Dooku ran both times when confronted by Mace. And skill isn't the only attribute that is needed to defeat an opponent. Intelligence, strength, endurance, speed, charisma, etc. The list continues. For you to base a fight on skill alone is quite silly.

 

Very safe to bet? Can you prove it? Can you prove kavar taught him? Hell and according to the kotor 2 flashback in the sith tomb, revan was shown to be a jar kai practitionar where people like count dooku have an easy time against.

I can prove that in no way. Just like you can't prove Revan is weaker than Sidious. Jar Kai huh?

"The dual saber style of Jar'Kai permits a Jedi to fight with two lightsabers, one in each hand, as seen in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones when Anakin Skywalker dueled Makashi-user Count Dooku."

Sure, mabye he used Jar Kai. But his perfered style is never stated anywhere bud.

Oh and palpatine is a frequent user of juyo friend, seeing that it was stated by your precious wookiepedia. And palpatine was described to be moving so fast that the eye couldn't see him.

 

So Revan couldn't have the same abilities as Palpatine? Revan couldn't fight with him on equal ground using Juyo? Palpatine knew a form of Juyo which was 4000 years old.

I would think manny critical points of such information could get lost over that much time.

 

"As for his powers, he was perhaps the closest stated in the current canon (Legacy of the Force) as the perfect practitioner of both Jedi/Sith powers, who wasn't truly influenced by the light or dark powers. If the hypothesis of his character to be a lesser evil so he can save the Republic from a bigger threat is true, he would be somewhere in between Jacen Solo and Anakin Skywalker steps of becoming the idealistic Sith user who was not influenced by greed or the one-sided judgment from the light side.

 

Besides having exceptional powers as a Force-user, as well as a master planner, he also proves to be a capable droid builder (similar to Anakin Skywalker), but programming it to be the ultimate assassin and droid translator instead of just a protocol droid. (The droid was required to be an assassin droid for gameplay purposes.)

 

In the book Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Darth Bane finds a Sith holocron that was recorded by Darth Revan during his reign as the Dark Lord of the Sith. Through the teachings of wisdom and Sith philosophy imparted to him by Revan, Bane would reform the Sith Order into the Rule of Two (a master and an apprentice), a cult that would eventually culminate with Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, the rise of the Galactic Empire, and the near annihilation of the Jedi Order."

 

But according to fact . Palpatine IS the number 1. YOUR the one being unreasonble. And i would consider asking you to actually read the comments posted and canon facts that palpatine > revan.

Thats your opinon, not fact. I would consider asking you to stop saying your opinon is a fact. DE is full of deceptive material.

I think of Darth Sidious as a manipulative Sith Lord. Hes not a combat type. Comparable to Kreia.

[Sephira]

You seem a little hot under the collar my friend. The movies are the prime of the Jedi. They're all G-Canon. Anything compared to it can be de-cannonized.

Friend if you actually understood the term canon, G-canon > C-canon. Oh and how does comparing revan to the movie de-canonise him? Hell that has never happened friend. You don't even know what your talking about.

-Thats why I said you can't compare Movie Characters to EU characters.

By your logic, I can basically say...

An Ewok is more powerful than Revan, because hes G-canon, and Revan is C-Canon.

But theres nothing to indicate an ewok is more powerful than revan friend, if you actually used logic and used your brain, it is clear that revan is more powerful than an ewok because there is absolutely nothing to prove an ewok > Him. You aren't making sense because your resorting to blatant fanboyism, You have not even said why revan is more powerful. You have not even listed his feats to even try.

 

On the other hand, there is everything from BOTH g-canon and c-canon to prove sidious > your revan.

 

G-canon basically means the highest form of canon friend, G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

 

Oh and the revenge of the sith novel is G-canon according to lucas because it is connected to the movies, and the novel itself already stated that yoda is more powerful than any other sith lord whom have already existed. Palpatine > yoda. Palpatine > revan

 

Incase you don't know what C-canon which KOTOR and DE is, heres the quote

 

C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

 

There you go, thats canon. You CAN compare a movie character to an EU character.

Yes, i'm a Revan fanboy, but I can see logic. You on the otherhand don't seem to admit your a Palpatine fanboy, because you refuse to except logic. Your opinon isn't truth.

You can see logic? But the question is do you actually use logic? And how am i a palpatine fanboy when im stating the facts? When im taking up various sources to actually back me up? When you on the other hand have nothing to back your claims which would be essential?

 

I said palpatine is the strongest sith, yet i backed them up with quotes from official sources which are declared canon by lucasarts, what have you done so far?

 

1992 or not. The movies canonize The Chosen One. I never said I was a Lucasarts Employee, nor was I the first one in this thread to start bantering about Canon level. You were.

Yet your trying to discredit canon sources which their canon status has not been renounced. Id love to see your sorry attempts in trying to discredit sources when you can't. You are just ignoring them. Period

 

DE isn't G-Canon, its Canon conflicts the movies (Which are G-canon). Its not my opinon, its a fact. You just refuse to except it.

LOL! You don't even know the term canon. Who ever said DE is G-canon? Comics and books and games fall under the C-canon category which are still canon. Not G-canon

 

That's an E-mail from Dan Wallace himself. Since you seem to like throwing your big names around. Dan states that his OPINON of Sidious was that he thinks hes the most powerful Sith Lord ever.

Kinda makes it a bit less Canon than what you use it for.

Its not any "less" canon because his statement in the new essential chronology has been reviewed by LFL and lucasarts and received the C-canon status. Sorry, it isn't less canon than you want it to be. Just as how Leland chees opinion of the exile being a lady has been made canon as it was stated in the same book and the ultimate visual guide.

 

"In the Dark Empire series, Palpatine tells Luke that the Battle of Endor was not his first death, and that he had started transferring his spirit into clone bodies years prior to that, when his original body had degenerated as a result of heavy use of the dark side. However, Lucasfilm official Leland Chee has recently stated that Palpatine was lying to Luke about having died previously, and that Palpatine's demise on the second Death Star was definitely the first time he died, although not the last.[74]

Ok.

Chee also stated that, while Palpatine's clone bodies do degenerate as a result of the strong presence of dark side energy within them, his original body did not degenerate in the same way, and he only had to start switching bodies periodically as a result of having to use clone bodies following the destruction of his original body at Endor. "

Your point?

 

I already said that KotOR dosen't CONTRADICT the movies. Dark Empire, however, does.

But its still C-canon, as kotor is. You on the otherhand can't accept the simple fact that its canon and that theres proof against your claims in the first place, so your trying to say dark empire isn't canon which it clearly is.

 

Because going by what you said. Legacy of the force book series shouldn't be canon, because jacen becomes darth caedus.

 

If you actually understood the prophecy of the chosen one, it basically means anakin destroying the sith. And we saw the sith die out in the movies, but nothing indicates or states the chosen one destroying the sith permanently.

Very unture. Dooku ran both times when confronted by Mace. And skill isn't the only attribute that is needed to defeat an opponent. Intelligence, strength, endurance, speed, charisma, etc. The list continues. For you to base a fight on skill alone is quite silly.

Yet you tried to make it out as if your lightsaber form is the only factor in beating your opponent.

 

I can prove that in no way. Just like you can't prove Revan is weaker than Sidious. Jar Kai huh?

Oh but i can, simply by the feats i listed down.

When has revan ever mind trick millions of people?

When has revan ever been shown to use lightning which can kill his opponents?

When has revans lightning ever been shown to reduce people to ashes like palpatines lightning?

When has revan ever destroyed a surface of an entire planet?

When has revan ever destroyed an entire star fleet for technique?

 

The thing is, you can't prove anything.

 

And according to darth maul in TPM, sidious could move at speeds faster than the eye can see, that the slightests twitch by maul would get him killed.

 

 

"The dual saber style of Jar'Kai permits a Jedi to fight with two lightsabers, one in each hand, as seen in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones when Anakin Skywalker dueled Makashi-user Count Dooku."

Sure, mabye he used Jar Kai. But his perfered style is never stated anywhere bud.

So don't assume that he uses juyo when nothing indicates it.

 

So Revan couldn't have the same abilities as Palpatine? Revan couldn't fight with him on equal ground using Juyo? Palpatine knew a form of Juyo which was 4000 years old.

I would think manny critical points of such information could get lost over that much time.

Prove revan has the same abilities as palpatine, seeing that it was stated the only force user who ever had the force storm technique was emperor palpatine and revan on the other hand never demonstrated any abilities similar to palpatine. really all iv seen revan do in the cut scenes is choke an officer and force lightning.

By the way, even if revan did have the juyo form, what indicates to you he is on the same level as palpatine? Seeing that palpatine tooled 3 jedi masters whom were described as the orders best jedi swordsman in the last 25 000 years.

 

Palpatine on the other hand has mastered every aspect of the force, he has mastered every single force technique and can use them to a degree to instantly slay his victims, just like how palpatine killed a jedi instantly in empire's end.

 

Oh and if many critical points were lost on lightsaber dueling, mace windu wouldn't have even mastered the juyo form and further more invent a new style which has been dubbed "The deadliest form against dark siders".

 

If your referring to the force, there is nothing to back you up. Infact seeing that technology is getting more advanced, so are force techniques.

 

Tell me jambi, what "knowledge" has been lost between the four thousands years? Because the events of malachor V and the star forge battle in the essential guide to the force was narrarated by emperor palpatine.

"As for his powers, he was perhaps the closest stated in the current canon (Legacy of the Force) as the perfect practitioner of both Jedi/Sith powers, who wasn't truly influenced by the light or dark powers. If the hypothesis of his character to be a lesser evil so he can save the Republic from a bigger threat is true, he would be somewhere in between Jacen Solo and Anakin Skywalker steps of becoming the idealistic Sith user who was not influenced by greed or the one-sided judgment from the light side.

If your so fond about using canon, you shouldn't even have mentioned legacy of the force in your last post because it too has a sith lord by the name of darth caedus. Hypocrite.

 

 

The Dark Empire Sourcebook states (p. 39) that "Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure". It goes on to list the following powers: Absorb/dissipate energy, accelerate healing, control pain, detoxify poison, enhance attribute, hibernation trance, rage, reduce injury, remain conscious, resist stun, short-term memory enhancement, combat sense, danger sense, instinctive astrogation, life detection, life sense, magnify senses, receptive telepathy, sense Force, sense path, injure/kill, telekinesis, farseeing (i.e., prescience and clairvoyance), lightsaber combat, projective telepathy, accelerate another's healing, control another's pain, feed on dark side, Force lightning, inflict pain, return another to consciousness, transfer Force, affect mind, control minds, create Force storms, Dopplegänger, drain life essence, enhanced coordination, telekinetic kill, transfer life, and dim another's senses.

 

Three notable powers subsequently introduced which he almost surely possessed include the forbidden Jedi arts of malacia and mortichro (ref. the Databank) and the Sith discipline mechu-duru (ref. "The Emperor's Pawns"); one notable exception is the creation of Sith zombies, which he has been specifically stated not to have known (as detailed in the Wizards of the Coast web site's entry on Korriban). Generally speaking, however, it is a reasonable assumption that the Galactic Emperor either possesses a given ability, or could easily learn it.

 

The most intriguing demonstrations of his power are the circumstances surrounding the burial of HIMS Lusankya on Imperial Centre (some speculate that he "clouded men's minds" à la Shadow) and the circumstances surrounding the arrival of General Skywalker on Byss (which involved the Emperor opening a wormhole in hyperspace and projecting a Force storm across possibly thousands of light years, and somehow physically depositing General Skywalker in the hold of a Lictor-class dungeon ship with the Force storm, suggesting that he is in fact capable of teleportation).

 

 

Besides having exceptional powers as a Force-user, as well as a master planner, he also proves to be a capable droid builder (similar to Anakin Skywalker), but programming it to be the ultimate assassin and droid translator instead of just a protocol droid. (The droid was required to be an assassin droid for gameplay purposes.)

Keyword, exceptional, not extraordinary like palpatine.

In the book Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Darth Bane finds a Sith holocron that was recorded by Darth Revan during his reign as the Dark Lord of the Sith. Through the teachings of wisdom and Sith philosophy imparted to him by Revan, Bane would reform the Sith Order into the Rule of Two (a master and an apprentice), a cult that would eventually culminate with Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, the rise of the Galactic Empire, and the near annihilation of the Jedi Order."

Your point? Your just pasting random quotes which even you don't want to interpret or back your point. That does not prove revan > palpatine.

 

Thats your opinon, not fact. I would consider asking you to stop saying your opinon is a fact. DE is full of deceptive material.

I think of Darth Sidious as a manipulative Sith Lord. Hes not a combat type. Comparable to Kreia.

My opinion isn't fact, but the quotes i listed from you from various sources are fact.

 

Oh and palpatines not the combat sith lord? What makes you say that? Because he hasn't fought from AOTC to ROTS? Then if he is so weak as you say, how did he

-Destroy an entire starfleet with the force

-Cause an unbalance in the force

-Destroy a surface of the planet

-Drain the entire planet of byss

-Kill 100 storm troopers with lightning without effort

-Reduce 3 force users to ashes with one blast of lightning

-Been stated to be the most powerful sith lord ever by countless sources which you refuse to acknowledge because it is proof against your claims.

 

On and i'm going to list the quotes again, which are fact

page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

 

Palpatine has risen from the dead. [/b]The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned.[/b]

 

Empire's End, one of the ancient Sith spirits: He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes.

 

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine.

 

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: Palpatine at his peak.

 

Essential Chronology: the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave.

 

-- Death Star, page 76.(This recently came out)

"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed.

 

 

-- The New Essential Chronology, page 84

Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

 

 

-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."

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Im sorry but you don't establish canon, you are not a lucasarts employee and you do not define canon.

 

Even wookiepedia says your wrong, how on earth is lego star wars going to fit into any of the categories?

 

Instead of clearing up the "confusion", you only caused more confusion. How does fan fiction fall into any of the canon categories? Canon basically means what has happened in the timeline and has been approved by the authories, so tell me why is it called fan fiction? Because it is NOT canon.

 

So your bascically saying a moderator from this forums can make up a character and declare it "1st degree canon"?.

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Are you so sure I'm not an employee?

 

Lego Star Wars is a game, and all games are 3rd degree canon, except the Kotor games because they are really righteous and sold well. They're 2nd degree canon.

 

Fanfics are indeed Star Wars-related materials as considered when posted on Lucasforums or kotorfanmedia--they just aren't published in the same way as the published series. That's why they aren't as high a degree. Therefore, with any contradictions, the higher the degree (or technically lower, since being as close to 1 as possible is preferable), the more weight it carries. 2nd degree supersedes 3rd degree, unless it includes Harrison Ford or Frank Oz because they rule. Fortunately for you, your posts are included in this and are 6th degree canon unless you like the Vong, in which case we toss those opinions right out of the forum because Some of Us Don't Like Vong. Nonetheless, you are welcome to enjoy them in secret.

 

Lucas' First Degree outweighs all other First Degrees, so if He says "I don't like it" it automatically becomes degree-less and null and void, verily thrown into the inferno, so the staff of course exercises judgment in assigning degrees lest that happens.

 

Thank you for your inquiries on the Six Degrees.

[Tommycat]

Jae, I'm not sure, should I send the sense of humor via PM or is it something that must be mailed to a person via snail mail(signed in triplicate by Lucasarts and George Lucas)

 

At any rate back on topic, power is completely relative. I look at it like engines. I've seen 1000 hp cars outran by 500HP cars. Vader had more potential than Palpy, BUT he never truly reached his potential(aside from picking up and throwing the most powerful Sith lord into the core of the second death star:D). Revan could have been powerful, but he also may have peaked. I mean he was taken out in an attack on his ship(duh he was captured and converted to a mindless noob). Saying he beat Malak is nothing extraordinary, as Malak wasn't that powerful... really. He was always second fiddle to Revan anyway. a well built Chevy small block can have upwards of 1000 hp. But you can't get much more power after that. A basic big block can have 500 hp and not be anywhere near its full potential. The small block may have more power, but the big block isn't at its full capacity. Sure you can say Vader had more potential, but Palpy used every bit he had(and it showed on his face haha). Revan was nowhere near the potential of Vader. Had Anakin stayed with the Jedi, and completed his training, he might have been the most powerful jedi ever. Unfortunately he became a slave to Sideous. Thus his power was always to be limited.

[Sephira]

Are you so sure I'm not an employee?

Even if you are which your clearly not, your not leland chee.

Lego Star Wars is a game, and all games are 3rd degree canon, except the Kotor games because they are really righteous and sold well. They're 2nd degree canon.

Tell me the events of lego star wars actually took place in the actual star wars universe

Fanfics are indeed Star Wars-related materials as considered when posted on Lucasforums or kotorfanmedia--they just aren't published in the same way as the published series. That's why they aren't as high a degree. Therefore, with any contradictions, the higher the degree (or technically lower, since being as close to 1 as possible is preferable), the more weight it carries. 2nd degree supersedes 3rd degree, unless it includes Harrison Ford or Frank Oz because they rule. Fortunately for you, your posts are included in this and are 6th degree canon unless you like the Vong, in which case we toss those opinions right out of the forum because Some of Us Don't Like Vong. Nonetheless, you are welcome to enjoy them in secret.

It isn't canon until its approved by the authories hence its called fan-fiction. Secondly you don't "toss" facts out as and when you like, because you do not establish nor do you control the canonical events of star wars, you don't label what is canon, neither do you to discredit them. You are NOT a lucasarts employee and even if you are you do not have the right tto change the meaning of canon unless your daniel wallace, drew karpyshyn or leland chee, the one man who decides whats canon what whats not.

Lucas' First Degree outweighs all other First Degrees, so if He says "I don't like it" it automatically becomes degree-less and null and void, verily thrown into the inferno, so the staff of course exercises judgment in assigning degrees lest that happens.

Lol and he actually praised dark empire, so i guess its G-canon or if you want "1st degree canon"

 

Lucas never said anything about kotor, so i guess its non canon by your logic

Thank you for your inquiries on the Six Degrees.

Not welcomed because you caused more confusion

 

According to leland chee in his blog, your defination of canon holds no water

 

Are the entries in the Holocron sorted as canonical & non-canonical? Are there various degrees of "officialness"?

The database does indeed have a canon field for each individual entry and for sources, though the canon level of the entry would overide the canon level of the source since it factors in other sources associated with that entry. When determining canon levels for individual entries, anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else from the EU. There is a secondary "S" continuity classification used for older published materials created when there was less attention to making everything in the EU fit with everything else in the EU. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes "C". Similarly, any "C" canon entry that makes it into the films can become "G" canon. Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Any contradictions that arise are dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

 

 

http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/4

 

G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

 

C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports. .

 

There you go, he defines canon, you don't.

[YertyL]

:-D I like this thread - will these endless "My fav character is more powerful than your fav character" battles ever end??

 

Seriously, I highly doubt that any of you two is going to convince the other - but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Can't we just say that it's a fantasy world and thus everyone can have their own view of it??

[Sephira]

Firstly palpatine is NOT my favourite character, its darth vader/anakin skywalker obviously. I am merely stating the facts which are labeled canon which jedimasterjambi refuse to acknowledge and blatantly ignore.

 

I wouldn't argue that vader is more powerful than revan because its a fact, but when facts and canon comes into the issue, sidious > revan.

[Rogue Nine]

Hey Sephira, this link should help you understand Jae a little better: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire

 

Oh, and for the record, I think Revan could definitely go toe-to-toe with Palpatine. Maybe even win.

[S_W_LeGenD]

Revan is surely among the most powerful people of his age.

 

As a Sith Lord, his feats and accomplishments are remarkable enough to place him in the upper tier of the Sith hierarchy.

 

It was by following Revan' ideologies, the Sith of modern era were able to rise once again and conquer the Galaxy.

 

Even as a Jedi, his feats are remarkable and his experience is phenomenal.

 

And he is very intelligent, adaptable and smart.

 

So it is safe to say that he is among the best in Star Wars Saga.

[Sephira]

Hey Sephira, this link should help you understand Jae a little better: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire

I am unimpressed by his/her sarcasm.

Oh, and for the record, I think Revan could definitely go toe-to-toe with Palpatine. Maybe even win.

Thats your opinion, facts point out sidious would beat revan and theres more than enough evidence to put so.

 

You still insisting revan "might" beat palpatine only indicates you are a fanboy of revan despite the fact that i have listed all of palpatines feats which in a way makes him a cosmic being in the star was universe

 

Even i would agree with S_w_legend, he makes it clear revans among the top force users, he doesn't say revan > sidious because he knows its sidious > revan which is fact.

 

I debate with him all the time on killer movies and i tell you he has extreme bias for kotor characters, and even he can accept the fact that sidious does surpass revan(grudgingly), even with him i can come into agreements, such as vader losing to revan in a saber duel, or vader beating malak in a force fight.

 

Ill ask you a question, do you think revan can contend with sidious as you want it to be if sidious cuts him off the force? I doubt so

[adamqd]

Hey Sephira, this link should help you understand Jae a little better: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire

 

 

You Say Satirical, I say Devils Advocate.... Canon is a touchy subject among SW fans as it is, fan-made canon category's give me a headache, whether said in jest or not.

G, C, and N canon, the end, non debatable

[Rogue Nine]

I am unimpressed by his/her sarcasm.

I think you need to get out more.

 

Thats your opinion, facts point out sidious would beat revan and theres more than enough evidence to put so.

Defeating someone in combat is different from being more powerful than them. Star Wars has traditionally been about overcoming something more powerful than one's self. After all, Palpatine was done in by Darth Vader, someone with 'inferior' power. Does it say anywhere canonical that if Revan and Palpatine were to get into a fight that Palpatine would win?

 

You still insisting revan "might" beat palpatine only indicates you are a fanboy of revan despite the fact that i have listed all of palpatines feats which in a way makes him a cosmic being in the star was universe

Actually, I don't really care for Revan, nor can I see why most people do, since he's your typical silent protagonist with a shady past trying to atone for his sins, a motif used in countless games, books and movies since the beginning of literature itself. I merely think that Revan might be able to beat Palpatine based on the concept I described above.

 

It may very well be that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, but that doesn't very well mean that he could defeat anyone. Having great power does not equal a win, as the Star Wars movies and literature demonstrates. Hell, Anakin Skywalker apparently had the most Force potential evar or something, but once he got cut down by Obi-Wan Kenobi (someone apparently less powerful), his potential was severely curtailed. So for you to automatically assume that Palpatine would defeat Revan or Vader or Mace Windu or anyone else is fallacious.

[Sephira]

I think you need to get out more.

Which i already have

 

Defeating someone in combat is different from being more powerful than them. Star Wars has traditionally been about overcoming something more powerful than one's self. After all, Palpatine was done in by Darth Vader, someone with 'inferior' power. Does it say anywhere canonical that if Revan and Palpatine were to get into a fight that Palpatine would win?

Firstly it does, palpatine was stated to have mastered every aspect of the force and shown the ability to destroy an entire star fleet consisting of hundreds and thousands of warships with one single move, and apparantly that is a combat technique.

 

As for vader "defeating" palpatine, it was due to palpatine being caught off guard, did you ever read the mandalorian armour novel? Palpatine instantly pwned darth vader after vader refused to obey palpatine, and palpatine merely used the force to shut down his life support system.

 

That is NOT a defination of skill. So would i be considered the ultimate fighter if i went into the greatest fighter on eearths house to beat and then murder the guy? It does not make sense does it, just as you are not making any sense.

 

And it does not have to be stated palpatine > revan simply because it can be logically assumed that way, seeing that palpatine has reduced three force isers to ashes with one blast of lightning while killing 100 storm troopers with that same lightning.

 

And the fact that palpatine tooled 3 of the orders finest swordsman in history according to the G-canon ROTS novel.

 

Actually, I don't really care for Revan, nor can I see why most people do, since he's your typical silent protagonist with a shady past trying to atone for his sins, a motif used in countless games, books and movies since the beginning of literature itself. I merely think that Revan might be able to beat Palpatine based on the concept I described above.

Based on the above concept, vader beat palpatine due to a circumstance. Not due to going toe to toe, and it can be argued that revan and vader are in the same leagues of the force.

 

It may very well be that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, but that doesn't very well mean that he could defeat anyone.

Everyone? No, The only person he can never beat is NJO luke skywalker of course, but other than luke, everybody elses fall.

Having great power does not equal a win, as the Star Wars movies and literature demonstrates. Hell, Anakin Skywalker apparently had the most Force potential evar or something, but once he got cut down by Obi-Wan Kenobi (someone apparently less powerful), his potential was severely curtailed.

For your information, anakin of ROTS had yet to reach his full potential, and according to the novel obi wan was able to put up with the fight only due to him knowing anakins strategy and the fact that he had been in thousands of sparring matchs with anakin skywalker knowing his style head to toe.

 

Your basically saying "Guy X cut down Guy Z in situation Y, it means that that Guy R can do it to Guy C in situation P"

 

Right and according to the novel, obi wan defeated anakin under circumstances.

 

So for you to automatically assume that Palpatine would defeat Revan or Vader or Mace Windu or anyone else is fallacious.

Uh palpatine would annihilate vader, despite being 80% as powerful as he is, as for mace windu, it was due to mace's vaapad and shatter point and the fact that sidious has not fought for 13 years ever since he became chancellor, because by dark empire, sidious could move at speeds faster than the eye can see.

 

Oh and name me a single force technique that revan canonically has that he can use against palpatine? Oh right he only has inferior powered techniques which palpatine can defend against, while on the other hand, palpatine has techniques that revan has never heard or seen before, such as the ability to destroy revans force bond which will instantly kill him, this is the same technique the great darth nihilus has.

 

Oh and for your information, seeing that the ancient sith like marka ragnos needed technology to drain the force whereas palpatine replicated this technique without the aid of tools or technology, it pretty much proves how proficient palpatine is.

 

Again, prove to me revan can defeat palpatine, prove to me revan can even harm him with the force.

[PoiuyWired]

Again, prove to me palpatine can defeat revan, prove to me palpatine can even harm him with the force.

 

Personally its nice to see a devoted fan of the Sith. But really, I think it is UNKNOWN as to who is the most powerful. As with all things, external situation plays alot in who the winner might be.

 

So lets just call it a draw.

[Darth Hord]

I think Sidious by ROTS is stronger than any version Revan. From what Sephira's quotes say, he is the most powerful sith as of that point. Plus Revan's most powerful form is a lightsider(canon ending).Note that Malak seems to think the same. And in the ROTS novel Yoda is called "The most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known" That puts Yoda above any light sider to have come so far not just the jedi. As much as I want Revan to beat Sidious I just don't see it happening.

[Rogue Nine]

Which i already have

Doubtful, given the amount of time you seem to devote to spouting your encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars canon.

 

Firstly it does, palpatine was stated to have mastered every aspect of the force and shown the ability to destroy an entire star fleet consisting of hundreds and thousands of warships with one single move, and apparantly that is a combat technique.

So what?

 

As for vader "defeating" palpatine, it was due to palpatine being caught off guard, did you ever read the mandalorian armour novel? Palpatine instantly pwned darth vader after vader refused to obey palpatine, and palpatine merely used the force to shut down his life support system.

Vader may have caught him off-guard, yes, but the fact still remains he defeated Palpatine.

 

That is NOT a defination of skill.

I never said anything about skill.

 

o would i be considered the ultimate fighter if i went into the greatest fighter on eearths house to beat and then murder the guy?

I never said anything like that either.

 

It does not make sense does it, just as you are not making any sense.

Right.

 

And it does not have to be stated palpatine > revan simply because it can be logically assumed that way, seeing that palpatine has reduced three force isers to ashes with one blast of lightning while killing 100 storm troopers with that same lightning.

And I can assume that Palpatine can make tasty, low-fat wheat bran muffins with that same lightning.

 

You are drawing your own conclusions from what has been stated as canon and pushing it off as canon. This is fallacious. You are assuming that since Palpatine possesses more power than Revan that Palpatine would automatically triumph. This would seem to be the most obvious assumption, but again, I refer to the Star Wars saga as a whole to point out that that does not always happen. For instance, the Galactic Empire was the most powerful and dominant force in the galaxy, yet it was still defeated by the Rebel Alliance, despite the latter being far inferior in almost every aspect.

 

Based on the above concept, vader beat palpatine due to a circumstance.

Palpatine still got beat, didn't he?

 

For your information, anakin of ROTS had yet to reach his full potential, and according to the novel obi wan was able to put up with the fight only due to him knowing anakins strategy and the fact that he had been in thousands of sparring matchs with anakin skywalker knowing his style head to toe.

Yes, but the fact still remains Obi-Wan defeated Anakin, despite the latter being far more powerful.

 

Your basically saying "Guy X cut down Guy Z in situation Y, it means that that Guy R can do it to Guy C in situation P"

Yes. Can. Not will.

 

Oh and name me a single force technique that revan canonically has that he can use against palpatine? Oh right he only has inferior powered techniques which palpatine can defend against, while on the other hand, palpatine has techniques that revan has never heard or seen before, such as the ability to destroy revans force bond which will instantly kill him, this is the same technique the great darth nihilus has.

 

Oh and for your information, seeing that the ancient sith like marka ragnos needed technology to drain the force whereas palpatine replicated this technique without the aid of tools or technology, it pretty much proves how proficient palpatine is.

I acknowledge that Palpatine is more powerful than Revan, please stop trying to prove this to me.

 

Again, prove to me revan can defeat palpatine, prove to me revan can even harm him with the force.

Prove to me Palpatine can defeat Revan without relying on your (fallacious) assumption that because Palpatine is more powerful, he must therefore win by default.

[Sephira]

Doubtful, given the amount of time you seem to devote to spouting your encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars canon.

Its called a "hobby", I read on star wars when i have spare time.

 

I devote my time in movie manipulation thank you.

 

So what?

It means revan has no chance against palpatine, the most revan can do is hold his own which he will eventually lose

 

Vader may have caught him off-guard, yes, but the fact still remains he defeated Palpatine.

But that isn't a combat feat is it? Your making it sound as if vader beat palpatine in a 1v1 combat situation which he clearly can't.

 

I never said anything about skill.

You make it sound like it is.

I never said anything like that either.

No, but you make it sound that way. Seeing that vader beat palpatine in a circumstance, your trying to imply revan can do thesame

 

Right.

Exactly

 

And I can assume that Palpatine can make tasty, low-fat wheat bran muffins with that same lightning.

You can assume, but do you have anything to back your claims? I on the other hand have the feats listed down.

You are drawing your own conclusions from what has been stated as canon and pushing it off as canon. This is fallacious. You are assuming that since Palpatine possesses more power than Revan that Palpatine would automatically triumph. This would seem to be the most obvious assumption, but again, I refer to the Star Wars saga as a whole to point out that that does not always happen. For instance, the Galactic Empire was the most powerful and dominant force in the galaxy, yet it was still defeated by the Rebel Alliance, despite the latter being far inferior in almost every aspect.

Again it was defeated by the rebel alliance under CIRCUMSTANCES, palpatine ordered the star destroyers NOT to attack the alliance because he wanted to show them the death star was operational, palpatine merely kept the empire at evens length with the alliance so that he can demonstrate the death stars powers.

 

And its pretty much fact palpatine > revan, and its not just because of a few quotes, its also been a fact that he has more knowledge of the force than revan, that he is more skilled than revan, he has preformed techniques that revan can never defend against. If you actually had logic you wouldn't even try to argue against that.

 

A circumstance won't happen for revan simply because you want him to win like anakin and obi wan, vader in ROTJ, and he empire's end.

 

Palpatine still got beat, didn't he?

And what does that mean? That he was attacked when he wasn't aware of the dangers? Malak nearly killed revan on the leviathan didn't he? That he got put into a simple stasis field didnt he? That palpatine has more powerful techniques doesn't he?

 

Again what does this prove? That palpatine is going to stand there and let revan kill him? That when palpatine is focusing on luke skywalker, revan is going to attack him when hes off guard? I can argue the same happens to revan.

 

Yes, but the fact still remains Obi-Wan defeated Anakin, despite the latter being far more powerful.

Under CIRCUMSTANCES, Again a circumstance won't appear for your precious revan because you simply want it to be. Was there a circumstance when vader tooled shady potkin?

Was there a circumstance when revan faced malak on the star forge?

 

Was there a circumstance when jacen faced onimi? No.

 

If obi wan beat anakin due to his actual skill and raw power, then i'd acknowledge that as a feat.

 

So your basically saying inferior people can beat superior force users? Right then i guess going by your logic, a storm trooper can kill darth sidious, a mere padawan can face exar kun head to head, that a droid can face darth vader head to head?

 

Is that it? Or are you trying to imply that along with the fact that there were circumstances in those battles? And the fact that one won't occur because nothing hints so,

-Revan has never seen the techniques palpatine has demonstrated before

-Revan can't defend against an attack that can destroy his force bond.

-Revan has never heard of the fallanasi looping technique which can hide sidious force bond making him invisible to revan in the force and physically.

 

Yes. Can. Not will.

So the fact that i beat up mike tyson when he is asleep means i can beat up chuck liddel in the ring?

 

 

I acknowledge that Palpatine is more powerful than Revan, please stop trying to prove this to me.

If you actually acknowledged this you wouldn't even try to argue. There you go, the fact remains palpatine > revan in every aspect of the force, there are no circumstances to make it even plausible for revan to even harm the dark lord of the sith simply because palpatines a smarter fighter, a stronger fighter and a fighter who has techniques that revan cannot defend against.

 

Hell even george lucas said to contend with sidious you have to be as powerful as yoda and according to the ROTS novel yoda has more power than any sith lord before sidious.

 

Prove to me Palpatine can defeat Revan without relying on your (fallacious) assumption that because Palpatine is more powerful, he must therefore win by default.

Because sidious has instantly killed powerful force users with one blast of lightning, and the fact that he could destroy an entire star fleet with his force storm technique.

 

Prove to me revan can beat palpatine without relying on your fanboyism, oh wait you have yet to even say how revan beats palpatine, you havn't listed anything neither have you prove anything, your asking me for proof when the burden of proof is on you.

 

I think Sidious by ROTS is stronger than any version Revan. From what Sephira's quotes say, he is the most powerful sith as of that point. Plus Revan's most powerful form is a lightsider(canon ending).Note that Malak seems to think the same. And in the ROTS novel Yoda is called "The most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known" That puts Yoda above any light sider to have come so far not just the jedi. As much as I want Revan to beat Sidious I just don't see it happening.

 

^ You read this roguenine? Even he, darth hord whom frequently debates on killermovies, whom's favourite character is revan also can admit the fact that sidious beats revan, despite the fact that he wants it vice versa he still follows canon.

 

YOU on the other hand just can't accept the fact that sidious defeats your revan, and the fact that there is NOTHING to indicate that revan can even beat sidious while on the other hand there is MORE than enough evidence and feats to prove that sidious WILL be the victor.

 

You claim your not a fanboy of revan, but just because you say you are not, does not mean you are not a fanboy of revan, seeing that you keep argueing without anything to back your claims that revan will beat palpatine, you havn't even said how palpatine is going to lose to revan, like what technique revans going to use or how he is going to beat sidious in a saber duel.

 

Everything indicates palpatine has more force knowledge and skill than revan, This is MORE than enough to put him the victor while on the otherhand, there is nothing to indicate a circumstance will occur.

 

All the sources and feats make it clear palpatine is more powerful than revan, even you acknowledge this YET you still insist revan can beat him despite the fact there is NOTHING to back your claims.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

IMO Revan will just seduce Palpatine with his dashing good looks (he has the mask so that his minions would stop trying to get with him) and kill him in his sleep.

[Sephira]

Theres enough evidence to declare palpatine a homo, which is why he touched anakin so much.

[tk102]

Sephira, calm yourself please, and refrain from disrespectful statements like this

If you actually had logic you wouldn't even try to argue against that.

[Rogue Nine]

Its called a "hobby", I read on star wars when i have spare time.

You must have tons, then,

 

I devote my time in movie manipulation thank you.

You do 'manipulate' quite a lot, I'll give you that.

 

It means revan has no chance against palpatine, the most revan can do is hold his own which he will eventually lose

Where does it say that in Star Wars canon?

 

Your making it sound as if vader beat palpatine in a 1v1 combat situation

No, I did not. I merely said Vader defeated Palpatine, with no extra qualifiers added onto my statement.

 

which he clearly can't.

In your opinion.

 

You make it sound like it is.

Again, no I did not. You're the one talking about skill and feats and all that. If anything, my message is about overcoming a superior power in spite of the more powerful skills arrayed against them.

 

No, but you make it sound that way. Seeing that vader beat palpatine in a circumstance, your trying to imply revan can do thesame

And who is to say he cannot, should that fight ever happen (however unlikely it is).

 

You can assume, but do you have anything to back your claims?

The entire Star Wars saga, which was built around the notion that one does not have to be all powerful to come out as the winner.

 

I on the other hand have the feats listed down.

I am not arguing based on feats/skills/abilities, what have you.

 

Again it was defeated by the rebel alliance under CIRCUMSTANCES, palpatine ordered the star destroyers NOT to attack the alliance because he wanted to show them the death star was operational, palpatine merely kept the empire at evens length with the alliance so that he can demonstrate the death stars powers.

Yes, but in the end, the Rebel's still won, didn't they? In spite of the Empire's power.

 

And its pretty much fact palpatine > revan, and its not just because of a few quotes, its also been a fact that he has more knowledge of the force than revan, that he is more skilled than revan, he has preformed techniques that revan can never defend against.

And who's to say Revan won't find a way to stop Palpatine from ever using said techniques? I am not saying he will, I am saying it is possible. Again, being more powerful does not guarantee you a win, especially in the Star Wars universe.

 

If you actually had logic you wouldn't even try to argue against that.

Actually, I do have logic and that is exactly why I'm arguing against that.

 

A circumstance won't happen for revan simply because you want him to win like anakin and obi wan, vader in ROTJ, and he empire's end.

How do you know that it 'won't' happen? Did George Lucas tell you himself? Or is this what you think?

 

And what does that mean? That he was attacked when he wasn't aware of the dangers?

Hey, if Palpatine is so powerful, why didn't he see the danger coming and stop it?

 

I can argue the same happens to revan.

Yes you can! That is the beauty of it! You can argue it any way you want because until someone from LucasArts says so, that's all this will ever be. Arguments, not fact.

 

Under CIRCUMSTANCES, Again a circumstance won't appear for your precious revan because you simply want it to be.

But you do not know for sure it will not happen, so please stop trying to convince me so.

 

So your basically saying inferior people can beat superior force users?

Yes.

 

Right then i guess going by your logic, a storm trooper can kill darth sidious, a mere padawan can face exar kun head to head, that a droid can face darth vader head to head?

Yes, and based on the situation and their surroundings, the underdog might very well come out on top. I am not saying it will happen, but I am saying that there is a possibility. Again, "can" is not synonymous with "will".

 

So the fact that i beat up mike tyson when he is asleep means i can beat up chuck liddel in the ring?

If he's asleep, sure. And please stop with the strawmen, it's getting really tiresome watching you put words in my mouth.

 

 

If you actually acknowledged this you wouldn't even try to argue. There you go, the fact remains palpatine > revan in every aspect of the force, there are no circumstances to make it even plausible for revan to even harm the dark lord of the sith simply because palpatines a smarter fighter, a stronger fighter and a fighter who has techniques that revan cannot defend against.

There were seemingly no circumstances that made the idea of the Rebellion beating the Empire plausible, yet it happened.

 

Hell even george lucas said to contend with sidious you have to be as powerful as yoda

Where?

 

Prove to me revan can beat palpatine without relying on your fanboyism, oh wait you have yet to even say how revan beats palpatine, you havn't listed anything neither have you prove anything, your asking me for proof when the burden of proof is on you.

Okay. Revan teleports to the future where he meets Palpatine. They face off, say the standard 'wah i am more powerful than you' blather, then start fighting. Palpatine is so wrapped up in toying around with Revan that he does not notice that Revan has tied his shoelaces together. Palpatine tries to take a step foward, trips and falls and Revan skewers him through the head. The end.

 

Implausible? Yes. Improbable? Yes. Impossible? No, not at all.

 

^ You read this roguenine? Even he, darth hord whom frequently debates on killermovies, whom's favourite character is revan also can admit the fact that sidious beats revan, despite the fact that he wants it vice versa he still follows canon.

Oh, just because he thinks so means I have to? No thanks.

 

You claim your not a fanboy of revan, but just because you say you are not, does not mean you are not a fanboy of revan

Show me one instance where I said 'omg Revan is teh awsumz he is teh bestest he can beat anyone yay'. Oh wait, if I'm arguing for a potential Revan victory, then that must mean I wear Revan undies and have posters of Revan plastered all over my wall and I brush my teeth with a Revan toothbrush.

 

Please. Stop with your foolish assumptions.

 

Everything indicates palpatine has more force knowledge and skill than revan, This is MORE than enough to put him the victor while on the otherhand, there is nothing to indicate a circumstance will occur.

Again, there was nothing to indicate that the Rebel Alliance would defeat the Empire, that Vader would move to save his son, that Anakin's raw power would overcome Obi-Wan. But they still happened, didn't they?

 

All the sources and feats make it clear palpatine is more powerful than revan, even you acknowledge this YET you still insist revan can beat him despite the fact there is NOTHING to back your claims.

There is ample evidence. You just choose to write it off as 'fanboyism'.

 

And after all this, may I point out that you are not an employee of LucasArts either? Thus, everything you say is conjecture and not canon. Not to mention your assumptions are logically fallacious, so please stop trying to force your opinion on others. Also, please stop being condescending, confrontational, and insufferable. It really doesn't help the discussion and might have some pretty unwanted consequences.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

I wear Revan undies

There wasn't enough room for Revan on the ones I saw you in ;o