TK-8252 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 For the most part, institutionalized Racism has been eradicated. Yeah, there are hholdouts left. Yeah. Like the U.S. Justice Department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 You want to back up that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Racism is the irrational hatred of a particular group based usually on a physical characteristic or an idealism. The idea that the University of Delaware was promoting this kind of a program makes me wonder where exactly we are heading in our society. For them to make the assumption that every white person there is a racist shows that there is a problem or a huge indicator that somebody who dislikes white people is in power. Frankly I am tired of the bs double standards that fly about within the culture groups. Case in point: It is not okay for a white person to call a black person a "nigger" or "nigga" but it is okay for a black person to call their own that. Yeah they associate that as a form of "group identity" but frankly the origins of those terms are derogatory. Same goes for calling an Italiam a "dego" or whatever other iscriminatory names there are for different groups. As for the program, does that make me a racist being the product of mixed heritage with a majority in HIspanic while the rest is Irish, Sicilian and Lithuanian German? I think it goes to people trying to be PC and it is going overboard. Much like a discussion on another board about the Golden Compass promoting atheism. As Heston once said, "It's a madhouse! A MADHOUSE!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 You want to back up that statement? War on Drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 If you define racism as systemically oppressing another race, then it's perfectly acceptable, and indeed a logical conclusion, to say that minorities cannot be racist.Ever hear of South Africa? This is very different to saying that all whites are racist, which seems to me to be completely out of left field, and honestly, a bit of a travesty. QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balderdash Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Well, true I suppose. Apartheid is a fairly unique period of history where a sovereign state was controlled by the minority group, who ruled over the majority group with a proverbial iron fist. They only won their independence in 1960 though, and the argument would be that the NP would not have have been able to maintain their regime for as long as they did without commonwealth support. That's another discussion for another time though... I don't want to take your thread off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Who is Dr. Shakti Butler, the individual who presented this course for the University of Delaware Office of Residence Life? (if you didn't guess already she is not "white") But for the record, I am "white" or "Caucasian" as that is what I generally check when queried about my race or ethnicity on any various number of institutional forms I'm obliged to complete from time to time. A couple of quotes from Dr. Butler's University of Delaware curriculum jimbo linked to that really irked me: In response to the white nationalism of "Manifest Destiny," and its current derivative "illegal alien," contemporary Chicano/a activists proudly wear T-shirts with a map of "Occupied America," over the motto, "We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us." Living in the border state of Arizona this is a hot button issue for most people in my state. I am not at all interested in "empowering" illegal immigrants from Mexico or Latin America or really from any foreign country with such ideas despite the fact that I believe Dr. Butler would classify my view as "racist" in nature. WHITE PRIVILEGE: A privilege is a right, favor, advantage, immunity, specially granted to one individual or group, and withheld from another. (Websters. Italics mine.) So I opened up another Firefox tab and went to http://www.websters.com and got rerouted to http://dictionary.reference.com/. I searched for the term "white privilege" and got the following result There are no dictionary entries for white privilege, but white, privilege are spelled correctly. - Source: dictionary.com In short I did not care at all for how Dr. Butler took the definition for "privilege" and somehow associated that with "white privilege." click here for Dr. Butler's curriculum vitae - the fact that she obtained her education in NYC and San Francisco raises red flags with me as I've found that my core set of values often greatly conflict with people from these two locations. - Interestingly enough, I also noted that the doctor's curriculum vitae does not list the University of Delaware despite the fact that dozens of other collegiate level educational institutions are listed. click here for a Santa Monica College student's account of her experience with Dr. Butler Article about Dr. Butler in St. Mary's College of California Collegian I do consider the 2nd definition of power Dr. Butler outlined in the curriculum to be valid for me. 2. Power is the ability to define reality and to convince other people that it is their definition. (Definition by Dr. Wade Nobles) I have no doubt that power as defined above is what Dr. Butler is attempting to achieve. I am also sure that racism, what I define as one or more persons adverse treatment of one or more other persons based on difference in skin color, is alive and kicking in America, Dr. Butler's course did not have power sufficient to change my view on what racism is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 If you define racism as systemically oppressing another race, then it's perfectly acceptable, and indeed a logical conclusion, to say that minorities cannot be racist. Heard of the Zealots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balderdash Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Jewish fundamentalist terrorists and violent pragmatists. They couldn't exactly be termed racist though, as far as I'm aware. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 God this is one of the most racist news articles I have ever seen. If you go to practically any town in the world you can see racism beyond black and white. 40 years ago it was that black people got lynched. But now Jews are being beat up in bars and muslim's are being suspected of carrying guns in their coats. I have said this before on many forums "Racism is the one reason why the world is so f***ed up" There are many black people who are racist to white people. That university is probably going to create a black KKK and start lynching white people claiming they are "the most racist race on the planet and must die" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 though technically jews and muslims are not "people" at all... not a race, but more like differences in religious/cultural bearings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Jewish fundamentalist terrorists and violent pragmatists. They couldn't exactly be termed racist though, as far as I'm aware. Care to elaborate? Well, no, I suppose being avowed to kill every Roman you meet in Palestine isn't racist.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Actually, Poiuy, Arabs are a race, and so are Jews. Not every Jew follows Judaism, and not everyone following Judaism is a Jew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balderdash Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well, no, I suppose being avowed to kill every Roman you meet in Palestine isn't racist.... It's a bloody piece of history; arguably it's no way to conduct a revolution (the romans all but eradicated them) but I would definitely hesitate to call it racism. The Roman Empire had conquered Judea. The Zealots were definitely pragmatists but the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" would seem to apply. Actually, Poiuy, Arabs are a race, and so are Jews. Not every Jew follows Judaism, and not everyone following Judaism is a Jew. Terracentral mentioned Jews and Muslims, not Jews and Arabs. And everyone that follows Judaism is a Jew. We don't call them Judaists, or Judaians, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I wouldn't call Judaism a race so much as a culture. You can be culturally Jewish but not practice Judaism, for instance. However for instance I had a friend in high school who was Pakistani and converted to Judaism, so I would call her religiously Jewish but not culturally Jewish. It's a difficult distinction for some people to make. I consider the religious aspect and cultural aspect two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 ? Mel Brooks = Sammy Davis Jr ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ-W4 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Actually, Poiuy, Arabs are a race, and so are Jews. Not every Jew follows Judaism, and not everyone following Judaism is a Jew.Just for info: there is only one human race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Just for info: there is only one human race. QFE. Unless you are a half-elf, or a half-umberhulk, or BOTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 QFE. Unless you are a half-elf, or a half-umberhulk, or BOTH! Yeah, i'm actually a Minoutaur. This is a pile of crap, not all white people are racist; racism exists in any race - it's part of human psychology IMHO and will never fully go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Though on the other hand " Everyone is a bit racist" Yes, its a quote on the famous "Avenue Q" where we learn THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON in our lives "The Internet Is For Pr0n" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Though on the other hand " Everyone is a bit racist." It's true, though I don't really think it's a bad thing. yes....I can hear the: "ZOMG!!!! DID HE JUST SAY RACISM ISN'T BAD!!!??" And yes, I did. It's a bunch of PC garbage that we all have to like each other and so on. It's our right to not like people for any reason we choose. What isn't our right is to treat others poorly because of it. Modern cultural relativist thinking seems to imply that we can't NOT LIKE anyone for any reason because they're "unique" and "special". They're not, we're not, I'm not. And I don't have to hide my dislike behind a smile. Personally, I find that far more rude than to outright say: "I don't like you." I once made a comment about illegal immigrants "flying under the radar" in reference to avoiding being caught by INS. I heard a *huff* from behind me, and after the debate I confronted the girl about her discontentment with my opinion. Damn it took a lot of pressuring her on my part to get her to spit out why she disagreed with me. Why is it so hard for people to admit they don't like somebody, or something they say? It seems like we're all under this impression that holding your tongue makes a healthy society, and to this day I've never seen lying and deception make a healthy society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Actually, I think racism is bad, but being prejudiced is only natural. So while I dislike the prejudices based on race(more correctly ethnicity unless you happen to be prejudiced against chimps.... dirty creatures they are....), I think it will always be a part of our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Actually, I think racism is bad, but being prejudiced is only natural. So while I dislike the prejudices based on race(more correctly ethnicity unless you happen to be prejudiced against chimps.... dirty creatures they are....), I think it will always be a part of our society. QFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well, obviously there is quite some difference between "a bit racist" which is probably a kind of personal prejudice without greatly affacting work and such, relative to zealot nutcase running around in white bedsheets.trying to murder people. But well, I always wonder, sometimes, that why do you not like a specific person? this may or maynot be ethnicity related. Really, think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jrJedismom Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I can't help but wonder at the attitude that all whites are racist. I am givien the attitude on a regular basis that Im wrong because Im white. Gee. I wish someone told me sooner that I was. I was raised to believe in equality and to give respect to all races. I think whites are not the only ones that should have an attitude adjustment. Yes, the attitudes toward other races has been less then pure, but those attitudes were not held by all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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