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Before I begin I'd like to say that in no way do I condone illegal downloading and I would like people not to insinuate or hint towards such activities in this thread (even though I don't think us Ahtonauts are that silly anyways :) )

 

This really annoys me in many ways, but here are some of the main ones:

 

1) Privacy mean anything anymore these days? How on earth will ISPs be able to determine what is illegal downloading and what isn't? If they use a narrow-minded view (which honestly wouldn't surprise me) they'd probably do something like blocking torrent proggies and such, but the people use those to distribute freeware and Linux distros as well...And an acual look into the files on your PC or going on to your PC seems like a gross invasion of privacy IMO.

 

2) You can tell this is a government idea as it has no clue on how the internet works, or how counter-productive it is to ask ISPs to monitor their customers and in the worst case scenario, ban them (thus losing out on loads of $$$)

It's like telling a supermarket to monitor who the sell knives to as they might be related in future crimes, or asking the Royal Mail to open up every package to make sure it doesn't contain any pirated DVDs, hypocrisy much? It sounds bloody illegal to me!

 

3) Who's gonna fund this if not the ISPs themselves (which would cost them even more money on top of the business they'd already lose), the government? And where's that money coming from? We need a better health care system, infrastructure and law enforcement, not more laws that cost even more money and are physically impossible to uphold!!!

 

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Comments are welcome :)

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Arcesious, It won't work. They can track where it comes from and where it goes without you even being aware of it. Keep in mind they are the ones who are doing the network address translation.

 

Personally, I occasionally download software that I already own. In some cases it is because the software actually works better than the original media(with all the anti-pirating code removed). In others it is because the media itself got damaged. Of course I always have a legitimate software key for any software on my system though, but how would an ISP know that I have those.

 

As for the movies and music, I'll start with the music:

I feel that one of the biggest failures of the music industry is in that they keep allowing sub par albums out the door with one radio song, one underground hit and 10 filler songs. I listen to whole albums before I buy the album. There have been a few that I have bought, and a bunch more that I would not. Of course I've rebuilt my system 5 times in the last year, so even if they were to come knocking on my door looking for pirated music, they'd be out of luck haha(4 different test OS'es).

 

Pirated movies: You can go rent one legally at a box here in town for $1 per day. I have no sympathy for those that want to pirate movies. If you want to see it that bad before the DVD hits the stores, PAY THE BOX OFFICE PRICES! I dunno, maybe its because I have friends in the biz. There is one exception to this though. Movies that are out of print, more power to you. If the company didn't feel that it was worth it to them to keep it in print, you aren't hurting them in the least.

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What about foriegn movies that never see the shores of the US? Ive seen alot of anime that has yet to ever be thought of by the licensing companies here. What about american or anime that most likely will never make it to foriegn countries?

 

Sure you can buy it over here, but what if you cant even buy it from here or Japan?

 

All Im saying is that you cant tar and feather every movie downloader with the same brush. Is it still technically illegal? Yes. Do I blame them for wanting to see something that companies are not going to pick up, or their governments are too communist to allow? No.

 

And then theres Netflix movie downloads. How is the ISPs going to handle that? All they will probly see is "Lord of the Rings" and flag them as thieves.

 

At the end, the government has no right to tell you what you can and cant download. Yes, to a certain extent they can, but when they go this far, then they are over-reaching.

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And no, it's not illegal. I'm not downloading the movie, thus it's not pirating.

Well, when you'e buffering it, it does get downloaded in a cache folder temporarily, so you are indirectly downloading it, if my calculations are correct. But since it is temporary and most probably gets deleted once you exit your browser, there's no proof there (except, of course your browser history, but it does not prove that you downloaded and saw it).

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bollocks. ISPs make $$ from their high speed/high bandwidth plans. I daresay a HUGE chunk of the market would revert to low cost plans if this eventuated, or switch ISPs if possible >> means less money for the big providers - somehow I dont think they'll like that.

 

Also, the practicality of policing this is mind boggling and ridiculous.

 

I dont see it happening :p And of course there'll be a technical workaround > another thing the government or big providers wouldnt want to happen is for the internet to go 'underground', or to be taken over by foreign service providers :D

 

A ridiculous idea, all in all.

 

Im not a legal eagle, but I think such legislation would be heavily disputed for infringements on privacy.

 

mtfbwya

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As far as TV shows go, I sometimes miss a show that I already get through cable. There are plenty of free and legal ways to watch them on American websites but since the CRTC is a bunch of a-holes, they ask them to block out Canadian people even though we get the show at the same time on the same date at the same hour on TV.

American networks are smart. I can watch their ads on their websites but sure...when it comes to the actual video itself..."Sorry, you're a foreigner. Haha."

 

I know I could use a VHS tape but seriously...2008...the quality on those suck.

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But according to the Tor website, the connection between your PC and the tor exit node is encrypted. Once outside the tor network, everyone can see what you're doing. The ISP can't filter what they can't read. Unless they outright block tor or something.
The Tor encryption system isn't 100% secure though. With or without the public key used to encrypt the TCP stream, a large company or government would most likely be able to decrypt it. In addition, Tor doesn't use an end-to-end encryption, which means the ISP of the receiving machine could still detect who is sending and receiving what.

 

This isn't even mentioning many Tor nodes are owned by various governments/law enforcement agencies.

 

 

Plus Tor is slow as ****.

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