The Paranormal

[Hayden Kered]

This thread is for the discussion of the paranormal.

 

Are you a believer? Have you had experiences? Is it real, or just over worked imagination?

 

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A few years ago I was living in a small house in a small town. The first night sleeping in the new house after moving in I had heard foot steps, like boots clomping, on the linoleum floor next to my bed. My back was facing the side it was on, when I rolled over to see what it was there was nothing there.

 

Later on in the same house I was laying on my bed reading a book, I did have my window open but there was no wind at all that evening. I all of a sudden heard some one sneeze in my room, and then my bedroom door slammed shut.

 

2-3 years ago riding in the car with my mom at night down a country road, I was looking ahead and had saw a man in black with what looked like a black ball cap cross the road from right to left, just a few yards in front of us. Just as I was getting to yell at my mom to watch out, the man vanished.

 

The house I am living at now, my wife woke up and saw a black figure with white almond shaped eyes standing in front of our window. Concerned about this and also remembering hearing about a baby/young child dying in the house years before, I decided to take some photos and was shocked at what I found:

 

Original photo:

 

Zoomed in on:

 

 

I have always been a non-believer, but after taking these photos and looking at them I fully believe.

[Rabish Bini]

I am a sorta-believer, although I had one experience, I got off my bus on my way home from school, and was walking to the other bus stop (I catch 2 different buses). I saw a brown (no not being racist, just describing what she looked like) overweight, lady wearing an orange dress sitting at the bus stop, I hit something with my foot and looked down for a split second to see someones hubcap on the footpath, I look back up and the ladys gone, without a trace, there were stores behind the bus stop but she couldn't have gotten there, or anywhere that quickly, as I looked down for less then a second. Weird.

[Q]

That looks like a face.

 

Frrreaky.

 

BTW: Prepare to be bombarded by the neighborhood skeptics.

[Totenkopf]

That looks like a face.

 

Frrreaky.

 

BTW: Prepare to be bombarded by the neighborhood skeptics.

 

 

Damned good advice.

[Hayden Kered]

That looks like a face.

 

Frrreaky.

 

BTW: Prepare to be bombarded by the neighborhood skeptics.

 

Thanks for the tip! I know there out there and ready to pounce.

[Rabish Bini]

No, I don't think thy're ready to pounce, they're probably scared of vacumm cleaners if you've played Luigi's Mansion

[Ray Jones]

Well, as I see it, reflections, digital cameras, and jpeg data reduction methods are no paranormal thing.

[adamqd]

^^^

Beat me to it!

 

My dad says he often sees faces in the ceiling above his bed, I think he's drunk or dreaming lol

[Arcesious]

I have no evidence to prove if I am right or wrong about this, but here's my three opinions: Either it is very specific random electromagnetic/other physics based phenomenom that seems very much to be like ghosts, the chances happening that it is ghosts beign very slim but by random chance it can be, or it is, possibly according to my religious beliefs, demons attempting to decieve others and trying to impersonate ghosts for whatever reason that may be, or it may actually really be ghosts of people who are dead.

And yes I've watched Ghosthunters, and a few things that I've seen on that show are pretty crazy and hard to explain...

 

Edit: Also, is that face coming off of a reflective picture frame in that picture?

[Bee Hoon]

Mmm, I haven't had a personal experience (and I am hoping that it will stay that way), but I do believe that there are many things which can't be explained. One of my friends once said that a cop told his dad that such things have happened, especially with that classic scenario which plays out late at night on a deserted highway... And their advice is just to drive on and not get out of the car o.O

 

*shudders*

 

Asian ghost stories are very scary:( For the curious, click here. I would say that this is definitely one of the less scary ones:/

[Ray Jones]

Little boy seeks his mother. That's not scary. It's sad.

[Pho3nix]

Are you a believer? Have you had experiences? Is it real, or just over worked imagination?

I haven't had any paranormal experiences, and my logic tells me there are no ghosts the same way I don't believe in the afterlife.

[jonathan7]

I see deadpeople.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously tho, some aspects of the paranormal, I think there maybe more to, others I think are complete nonsense. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence for ghosts and reported phenomena such as that, being sceptical I think is always a heathy first position.

 

I am a Christian, and have been healed of appendicitus; I had been admitted to hospital and having been dosed up on the maximum dose of morphine was awaiting to see the consultant in the morning for him to give the go ahead for my appendics to be removed. However by morning I had strangely returned to normal; a prayer request had been sent out for me the previous evening. Although prayer studies haven't revealed any data to suggest prayer effects recovery. What I do no is the consultant was most confused in the morning; he said "strange, you seem to have got better, although in theory it should be impossible to spontateously get better from appendicitus". So misdiagnosis? Something that should be impossible but occured otherwise or healing? I suppose depends on your frame refereance.

[Arcesious]

IMO, Physics can do some really wierd things. We have not yet fully developed full understanding of everything. Anything can happen by random chance... Note that in Ghosthunters, they always come, intending to disprove ghost claims if they can, instead of automatically assuming something odd is paranormal.

[jonathan7]

IMO, Physics can do some really wierd things. We have not yet fully developed full understanding of everything. Anything can happen by random chance... Note that in Ghosthunters, they always come, intending to disprove ghost claims if they can, instead of automatically assuming something odd is paranormal.

 

Something isnt paranormal, if you assume it to be normal

[Rev7]

IMO, Physics can do some really wierd things. We have not yet fully developed full understanding of everything. Anything can happen by random chance... Note that in Ghosthunters, they always come, intending to disprove ghost claims if they can, instead of automatically assuming something odd is paranormal.

Ghosthunters really does scare the ba-jabbers (is that even a real word??) out of me. I have actually only seen it several times. I don't regularly watch it.

Are you a believer? Have you had experiences? Is it real, or just over worked imagination?

Well, I personally haven't had an "experiance", and really don't plan on having any. Ever. From my Christian background, I can tell you, and I say this only because this is what I believe in my own heart, that demons are real. I can also tell you that angels are real. But that is just what I personally believe. I believe that there are 'ghosts' too. Mainly because of the same reason....

[Tommycat]

I've seen enough random stuff that I can't help but believe. In Colorado just north of Colorado Springs, there is a place called Black Forest(gave that description to prevent confustion with the Black Forest in Germany). On any given night you can see lights moving amongst the trees.

 

In Galveston in Texas(If I remember right, might have been Corpus), there is a monument in a cemetary which if you park in the cemetary, with your stereo on, the statues actually start moving. Only worked for me once. And no I wasn't on any drugs.

 

Then there are some that are completely explainable. For instance every school kid in Texas knows the story of the school bus full of kids that was hit by a train(in San Antonio). Supposedly the kids will push your car off the tracks if the engine isn't running. The problem is that it is an optical illusion, the area actually slopes downward to such a degree that it only appears that they push you up hill.

[Hayden Kered]

I am a Christian as well and so is my mother in-law. She claims that ghosts are actually familiar spirits and or demons. But one thing that I find odd is in the Bible Saul goes to seek the Witch of Endor (yes Endor is a real place not just the planet from SW) to have her call on Samuel's ghost, which she does.

 

1 Samuel 28:3-25

 

Since most of us believe the Bible word for word then is this not proof of the existence of ghost?

 

Edit: Also, is that face coming off of a reflective picture frame in that picture?

 

No that is the bottom of my window that the face is showing on. I had thought that it might be a glare from the light, but I have tried recreate the picture again (I took up to 40 photos with my digital camera) and I could never get that "face" to show up again.

[Tommycat]

After looking at your pictures, I think it is possible that what you are seeing is actually lens flare. It would be far less likely if the light source were behind the camera. Not saying you didn't capture a ghost, nor that ghosts do not exist(as would be evidenced by my prior post on this subject), just that this can be easily explained as lens flare. take the image of the face, and flip it vertically and horizontally. It is just a possible explanation. Of course the blinds in the room are partially drawn back there. It could be a reflection of the light from the lamp, an outside light source from outside the room.

[Hayden Kered]

Could be. I did send the photos into TAPS to get their professional opinion about them, I am still awaiting on an answer.

[Eiganjo]

Since most of us believe the Bible word for word then is this not proof of the existence of ghost?

 

It is not as much proof than just a reason why Christians would believe in ghosts. For anyone that doesn't believe in any gods like myself, the idea of the existence of ghosts seems just as far fetched.

[Rev7]

In Galveston in Texas(If I remember right, might have been Corpus), there is a monument in a cemetary which if you park in the cemetary, with your stereo on, the statues actually start moving. Only worked for me once. And no I wasn't on any drugs.

Wow. I would have to say that that would be quite hard to explain.

Then there are some that are completely explainable. For instance every school kid in Texas knows the story of the school bus full of kids that was hit by a train(in San Antonio). Supposedly the kids will push your car off the tracks if the engine isn't running. The problem is that it is an optical illusion, the area actually slopes downward to such a degree that it only appears that they push you up hill.

It always seems like when there is something that goes on(I am not necissarily talking about the 'paranormal', but rather things out of the ordinary in my walk with God), there is always an explaination on why it happened. I guess that is just why we have faith.

Could be. I did send the photos into TAPS to get their professional opinion about them, I am still awaiting on an answer.

Hmm, wonder what is going to come up with that. Let us know if you get on the TV show!

[Arcesious]

My theory-based explanations for varous claims:

 

Lights in trees of Colorado Black Forest explanation: Fireflies

 

Statues moving: Optical illusion, or the matter is effected by shockwaves of sound passing though it.

 

Objects moving: Random Spike in Gravitational field of the Earth effecting the mass of an object.

 

Voices: Wind patterns (Even in a place where there is no noticable wind, the air still flows around in a building and can cause wierd noises.

 

Footsteps: Wood creaking, effected by heat, or a sound still traveling from another footstep farther away

 

Apparitions/shadowy figures: Random accumulation of gases, wind patterns, light reflections creating an odd shadow, or electromagnetically effected gases that have become ionized. Also, if this has happened several times in various places, the explanation could easily be that a large mass of magnetic rock, like magnesium, is underground, underneath the place where said 'paranormal' things happen often, which caused more often 'paranormal' occurences due to it's electromagnetic force.

 

Cold spots, or the feeling of being touched: Random occurences in tempurature flow in gases, or electromagnetic fluctuations in Earth's gravitational field.

 

As you can see, I have a lot of explanations, but I do admit there are some things I cannot explain/cannot fully explain...

[Tommycat]

My theory-based explanations for varous claims:

 

Lights in trees of Colorado Black Forest explanation: Fireflies

Those would have to be some pretty hefty fireflies. I know what fireflies look like. I used to catch them as a kid. The lights out there, I saw as an adult. And I wasn't alone. The lights moved more in line with how they would move with a person, but without sound.

 

Statues moving: Optical illusion, or the matter is effected by shockwaves of sound passing though it.

That would still be an impressive trick. The statues are quite animated.

 

Objects moving: Random Spike in Gravitational field of the Earth effecting the mass of an object.

I don't think I've seen any more evidence for this theory than ghosts. It's just as far out there, just has more pseudo-science babble to make it sound more scientific.

 

Voices: Wind patterns (Even in a place where there is no noticable wind, the air still flows around in a building and can cause wierd noises.

Actually usually it's the foundation settling, combined with wierd acoustical patterns of a room. For instance a dome shaped building will tend to have an 80hz hum.

 

Footsteps: Wood creaking, effected by heat, or a sound still traveling from another footstep farther away

echos of your own footfalls.

 

Apparitions/shadowy figures: Random accumulation of gases, wind patterns, light reflections creating an odd shadow, or electromagnetically effected gases that have become ionized. Also, if this has happened several times in various places, the explanation could easily be that a large mass of magnetic rock, like magnesium, is underground, underneath the place where said 'paranormal' things happen often, which caused more often 'paranormal' occurences due to it's electromagnetic force.

could be possible. Like the lights over the texas foothills.

 

Cold spots, or the feeling of being touched: Random occurences in tempurature flow in gases, or electromagnetic fluctuations in Earth's gravitational field.

same explanation as before.

 

As you can see, I have a lot of explanations, but I do admit there are some things I cannot explain/cannot fully explain...

Of course anyone who does not believe in ghosts, I recommend you head to Colorado Springs. If you are a man, go through the basement levels of the old convention center. I say man because women tend to have very frightening experiences(some have stated that they had been raped with no physical signs of it)

[Arcesious]

You have some good points there... Where would I find out more about these 'moving statues' though? You know those statues and the lights in the Black Forest of colorado could easily be practical jokes created by people who like to scare people... Right?

 

Example:

 

Moving statues:

 

Guy1: I want to scare some people!

Guy2: I own a statue making shop, and I'm pretty good with robotics... how about we make some robotic statues seemingly identical to those certain statues in the middle of town, and replace them with our own robot statues... Then we'll make them move when people play music, and scare people...

Guy1: Sounds fun! let's do it!

 

Lights in forest:

 

Guy3: Let's go get a bunch of flashlights and play with them in the forest!

Guy4: Sounds like fun!

 

See my point...? Some of these things could be elaborate tricks...