Ztalker Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Heya! I have just re-watched Return of the Jedi, paying specific attention to the scene with the Ewoks. And in fact, I think it's quit believable! To start, you don't see any stormtrooper get KILLED by those falling rocks or arrows. The good and PROVEN tactics with the rope spanned across two trees (same happened in Tomorrow Never Dies, a Jams Bond movie, which makes it a 'modern' tactic) did kill some speeder bikes troopers. Other (logical) tactics did so as well. The logs rolling of the hill, destroying an AT-ST? We saw in TESB that the legs of these walkers is their weak point. It makes sense. Then the spreading of Forces. Han Solo and Leia are left alone at the bunker? I think not. An aimed shot disables R2-D2, slowing their proces. When Leia and Han seem to get in, another shot wounds Leia. So the Stormtrooperd WERE paying attention. Plus,there are still 3-4 groups of Elite Soldier inside, since the Imperial commander orders them out at the end. So the 2 or 3 Rebels outside aren't a real threat to the base itself. That's why they go after the Ewoks. To conclude, the only reason they actually win this...is Chewbacca! He takes an AT-ST. And THAT AT-ST is the ONLY 'good guy' seen killing Stormtroopers, in fact killing a whole lot of them. This makes sens as well, since the Elite stormtrooper group there wouldn't be armed against tank and vehicles alike. So...any thoughts? Or Ewok bashing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Elite Stormtroopers Sorry, someone would've said it eventually. In any case, as far as the film goes ESB had a lot of very dark content so I think they were trying to lighten things up in RotJ... at least 'til the whole Death Star scene. And how better to lighten things up than sending a batallion of teddy bears to strangle some stormtroopers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ewok bashing!!!111oneoneone Seriously, the Rebels would never ever have ... hundreds of Star Destroyers ... superior tanks ... Palpatine is the most powerful Force user ever and planned everything anywhere ... yaddayadda OK, on a more serious note, while I am glad that finally someone is actually taking a position supporting the Rebel victory, I generally believe that one shouldn't over-analyze the movies ... they're half fairy tales! How can you not expect the bad guys to be seemingly overpowering while the good guys still manage to pull of a victory despite the odds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 the ewoks pwnd the stormers!!!!! GO REBELS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDoe 2.0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The Ewoks had the advantage of knowing the land, surprise and numbers. The stormtroopers made a good push but they got PWND by the teddy bearz. I bet the Ewoks were talking smack to the captured Imperials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 ya, they most probably were.... who remembers the little ewok that died? it was soo sad, his little ewok friend was all like: cmon!!hey, cmon!!!what?are you okay? *sigh* it was sad.... notice: that was not a literal ewok-->english translation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 "Right, men! We've been trained with blaster rifles, mobile artillery, speeder bikes with laser cannons and are wearing state-of-the-art armour! Nothing can stand against us! Wait, what's that...?! Oh NO!! Teddy bear creatures! With sticks and slingshots! Run awayyyyy!!" Ewoks suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 I'm not over analyzing, I just try to give the general opinion a spin And, again, you don't see any Stormtrooper get killed until Chewbacca claims the AT-ST. Until that moment, like littleman said, Ewoks die.... I just try to place myself into George's mind...how he rationally tries to explain how those little furballs won. And I think I found at least some proof (first post). But still...how would you guys have fixed this? Into a believable ending? I heared somehwere Han Solo was to die at the end of the movie...maybe that offers some 'epic sacrifice' option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 ^whoa....thinking too hard there for a sec.....hmm, okay my head stopped hurting... so han solo was supposed do die? why didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I believe Harrison Ford wanted Solo to die, but Lucas wouldn't allow it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 True, when they were shooting they were discussing some big event they could add, Harrison suggested killing Han off, as he has no family or back story, but Lucas realized he was a fan favorite, and instead had him hook up with Leia and become the lovable rogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 So...how could a sacrifice by Han have made the story more believable? Let's brainstorm for a bit. Obviously, most people aren't satisfied with the Ewok thing.... Although I find it believable in it's current state, a suicide run with a Starship or something seems something Epic enough for Han to die in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 True, when they were shooting they were discussing some big event they could add, Harrison suggested killing Han off, as he has no family or back story, but Lucas realized he was a fan favorite, and instead had him hook up with Leia and become the lovable rogue. See, GL did do something right! As for the ewoks. I don't mind it as much, seeing that they work mostly as a destraction to the stormies. Technically the ewoks only score a few kills by dislodging ATSTs and bikes, tactics the ewoks probably use to discourage bigger creatures. Yes their rock dropping are enough to cause quite some problem with the strormies, but most won't directly kill them other than giving them some consussion. Granted, some rebels would caught wind of what is happening there and throw in a nade or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeSithDfrntDay Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 First of all, I agree that the ewoks conquering is not all that unbelievable. But I had an interesting question. What was the initial response to the Ewoks when Jedi was first released? Were people walking out of the theater pissed? Or was the Ewok debate something that set in with time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Well, someone go dig out those forum posts in the google archive!! Oh wait.... My guess would be that ewoks are much better accepted than a JarJar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I was too young to remember the response to Ewoks back then, although I've heard stories about how much they were hated by the hardcore SW fans. I agree though that it can't be as bad as Jar-Jar. I think the Ewoks became further disliked with the follow-on releases of Caravan of Courage and The Battle of Endor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 As the whole concept of the Ewoks is ridiculous, I'm with Ztalker, it's quite possible to achieve victory on that conditions. As JoeDoe also pointed out, they had terrain knoledge, armed traps and, plus, the stormies never saw them coming nor they did knew how many furballs were there or if the alliance taught them to handle blasters. Most likely they confused the ewoks for wookies. Then again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDoe 2.0 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 ^ That can be it, everybody knows that wookies are huge 2 meter tall tedd. erm.. beings. The stormies were not prepared for a counter attack and got overconfident when the Ewoks arrived as backup for the Rebels. I think this is what was going on inside those white helmets: Stormie 1: Hey look, Teddy Bears! Stormie 2:Cuteeeeeeeee! <3 Stormie 3: Is this supposed to be some kind of ambush? They are just rudimentary life forms; destroy them!! [battle takes place, the firsts to die are Stormie 1 & 2, the Ewoks win!] Stormie 5: Rudimentary life forms my @$$... Stormie 3: Oh shut up baby Ewok : PWND!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 The Ewoks had the advantage of knowing the land, surprise and numbers. The stormtroopers made a good push but they got PWND by the teddy bearz. I bet the Ewoks were talking smack to the captured Imperials. QFE. That knowledge gave the Ewoks a great edge. I personally don't like Ewoks that much. There are just to small, and furry and remind me of my dog... Perhaps the force was with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 If I remember right ewoks ar considered to be primitive creatures that poses little threat, as compared to other big dangerous predators of the areas. Obviously they overlooked the fact that the simple fact that ewoks prospers on endor means that ewoks have effective ways of warding off big dangerous predators. Then again, maybe the ewoks use suicide bomber tactics towards the imps off camera... we know Tyber Zann(E@W) convinced ewoks to do that for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 ^ True, but we don't actually see what is going on off camera, so we can only take educated guesses on what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 Although, if you think about it, it DOES give the battle of Endor that 'epic self-sacrifice' tone it was orginally intended to have (with Han). Ewok suiicide bombers...never heared of them, but it sounds believable as a reason for them beating the Stormies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I agree with ZTalker (and others) that it is at least plausible, given that they didn't actually kill any of the storm troopers with the rocks and other rudimentary weapons (with the exception of the storm troopers on speeders). I also think the element of surprise and extreme advantage in numbers had a pretty substantial effect on the outcome, and in making in plausible/believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawathehutt Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 3 words: Simon the Ewok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Simon, Yes. I agree with ZTalker (and others) that it is at least plausible, given that they didn't actually kill any of the storm troopers with the rocks and other rudimentary weapons (with the exception of the storm troopers on speeders). I also think the element of surprise and extreme advantage in numbers had a pretty substantial effect on the outcome, and in making in plausible/believable. There are also the destroyed AT-STs which are piloted by stormies and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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