DarthJebus05 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 (Yes, I've searched for "world trade center" and even "attacks") I only had to watch this to believe that Bush knew about the attacks beforehand: Paraphrase the message or find a clip with no language. Thanks. ~9 Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 The 2 747 Passenger planes may have had something to do with it as well, and I doubt explosives would have added much to that explosion. But, if you are talking about there being knowledge of the chance of an attack on the centers, then you would be mostly correct. We had intelligence that stated that there may or may not be an attack that the Clinton administration received in the early nineties. That information was passed onto the Bush administration when Clinton went out of office. Whether that information was considered or not is debatable. The thing is, you never really know the date, damage, or location for an attack like 9/11. What were you expecting them to do? Line the Twin Towers with AA guns and missiles? Then the attack would have been put towards another building(s). Some things just cannot be fully prevented. (Yes, I've searched for "world trade center" and even "attacks") I can also put in "world trade center" and "bill" and get a site that explains, in detail, how the 9/11 attacks were prophesied on the 20 Dollar Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 If I recall correctly, the part of the attacks on 9/11 (Or 11.9 for our Europeans) that Bush 'knew' about was the fact that a Terrorist Group was going to hijack a Airliner... Not ram it into the World Trade Center (New York). But, as True Avery said, what the heck are you going to do about it? It goes back to the Rakata Computer on Kashyyyk, when it asks you what you would do if you had intelligence that a planet under your soverignity was going to be attacked... Explosives wise, well, a 747 carries a lot of Jet Fuel, which, if I recall correctly, is very volitile, which then makes it very explosive. So, I guess that could be considered an Explosive... How does the title relate to your original post anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Hmm...let's see, now. A massive great hunk of metal full of kerosene crashes into the side of a building in desparate need of major structural work...and it collapses. Such an obvious conspiracy. @Ave: You can also discover that it was the Jesuits wot done it. Srsly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJebus05 Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 This is what he said: (not an exact quote) Those operatives were to make sure the explosives went off at a high enough... went off at a high enough level... to make sure the people above... couldn't... get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 A massive great hunk of metal full of kerosene crashes into the side of a building in desparate need of major structural work...and it collapses. A little more complicated than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 A little more complicated than that Well, yes. But that's delving into things like physics, of which my grasp is rudimentary at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I can help if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I can help if you'd like. Thank you for the offer, but I just don't seem to be terribly good at this side of things. In any case, I wouldn't want to waste your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 This is what he said: (not an exact quote) Those operatives were to make sure the explosives went off at a high enough... went off at a high enough level... to make sure the people above... couldn't... get out. of course, what's sneakily hidden between these ellipsis are: Those operatives were to make sure the explosives went off at a high enough went off at a high enough level, usually level 70. To make sure the people above in heaven couldn't eat cheeseburgers and get out. really, don't buy into stuff with a lot of ellipsis, especially when they have one on either side of a single word, that's pretty solid proof somebody is taking something out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 (Yes, I've searched for "world trade center" and even "attacks") I only had to watch this to believe that Bush knew about the attacks beforehand: Paraphrase the message or find a clip with no language. Thanks. ~9 Whatever. Can someone give me an idea of what this clip actually was? I would like to know as I came too late to see it but would still like to participate in the discussion. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 If I recall correctly, the part of the attacks on 9/11 (Or 11.9 for our Europeans) that Bush 'knew' about was the fact that a Terrorist Group was going to hijack a Airliner... Not ram it into the World Trade Center (New York). Mostly correct. The difference are so minor that they aren't worth pointing out. Explosives wise, well, a 747 carries a lot of Jet Fuel, which, if I recall correctly, is very volitile, which then makes it very explosive. So, I guess that could be considered an Explosive...Indeed. So volitile that you can see it being burnt off on impact Thank you for the offer <snip> You're welcome really, don't buy into stuff with a lot of ellipsis, especially when they have one on either side of a single word, that's pretty solid proof somebody is taking something out of context. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, Mr. Bush is not the most eloquent of public speakers so it's quite easy to assume that he's just "being Bush" here. Can someone give me an idea of what this clip actually was? I would like to know as I came too late to see it but would still like to participate in the discussion. The part referenced in the title was a clip of bush making reference to a bomb in the WTC buildings (Web Rider quotes it in his post above). Unfortunately, it's not clear what Bush means by this. Taken literally, it could be seen as an admission of their actually being (an) explosive device(s). Taken figuratively, Bush could be referencing the hijacked planes as "bombs". FWIW, I think there is enough evidence to prevent ruling out explosive devices that we do not need to rely on Bush's comments alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJebus05 Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 Go to YouTube and type in: 9/11 Coincidences Part 12 The first video to come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 If you're going to watch a movie related to the title of this thread, you're probably better off with 9/11 Mysteries (bring your bag o' salt and draw your own conclusions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJebus05 Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 It's a documentary. Did you even bother to search for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 It's a documentary. Did you even bother to search for it?Yes, I did and I've already seen it. I'm recommending 9/11 Mysteries instead because I think it's a "better" film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Ok. Thank you for the recommendations. I'll take a look at them later. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJebus05 Posted June 3, 2008 Author Share Posted June 3, 2008 Yes, I did and I've already seen it. I'm recommending 9/11 Mysteries instead because I think it's a "better" film. I'm sorry, I was out of line. Been sick these past few days. We cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Absolutely Get well soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 It's a documentary. It may say 'documentary', but just about anything can say it's a documentary and be put up on youtube as if it were fact. We can conspiracy-theory this thing to death, but regardless of whether it was a bomb that took it down or just the planes themselves, at least hundreds were going to die if the buildings stayed up. It would have been a horrible tragedy with or without any conspiracy-theory bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 It may say 'documentary', but just about anything can say it's a documentary and be put up on youtube as if it were fact. Anything can say it's a documentary and be put up anywhere. Fact has nothing to do with it. I'm sure that millions of people eagerly discount Michael Moore, yet to the theaters his movies go. Scientists couldn't wait to take shots at Ben Stein's new movie, but it's in the theaters as well. So to suggest that making it into a theater is some sort of litmus test for "fact" is wrong at best and disingenuous at worst. We can conspiracy-theory this thing to death, but regardless of whether it was a bomb that took it down or just the planes themselves, at least hundreds were going to die if the buildings stayed up. It would have been a horrible tragedy with or without any conspiracy-theory bombs.I don't think anyone is arguing that those deaths weren't a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I agree. We can conspiracy the September 11 (I refuse to call by its alternative) attacks to death but the fact of the matter is that we may never know even with the help of documentaries like the ones on youtube or Loose Change. Heck I know that none of it changes my granpa's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think you're exactly right. I don't think we'll ever have all the information, so we'll never know for sure. In the mean time I'll continue to think that "both sides" probably have part of the truth but not all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Since when was Kavar's invaded by people wearing tin-foil hats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 About the same time as the people that believed everything the media told them to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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