Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 I don't get it. I care about illegal immigration, but I don't care about racial bull****. It's focusing on the racial aspect of it because the illegal immigrants are HISPANIC. Supposeldy there will be about as many Hispanics as there would be Caucasians. This shows the dramatic increase of Hispanics due to illegal immigration. This entire article has nothing to do with looking down on one race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 you're point being? i dont see anything wrong with a change of supposed majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 you're point being? i dont see anything wrong with a change of supposed majority If you want to get in a debate about illegal immigration I would make another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 i honestly dont care about immigration if i could live here without paying the bigots that run this country taxes i would You're just as much a bigot as the politicians. Please stop posting. Think about it this way: Once we're all one color, the human race will probably invent another reason to hate each other. True, it is human nature to unite under a banner of hatred and fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 how am i a bigot for disliking ppl that are the biggest hypocrites ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 and in order for me to be a bigot i would have to feel that people other than me are inferior just because they arent me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 and in order for me to be a bigot i would have to feel that people other than me are inferior just because they arent me Who are you calling a bigot? And under what circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 i was referring to politicians as bigots because they feel that the rest of the country does not deserve to run it (even though we are supposed to be of the people for the people by the people) just because they think that the people wouldnt kno what they want, like we're children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 I'm not sure I would call them bigots. I take it you're an Anarchist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 no because if i were an anarchist i would be a hypocrite because if i dont believe in organization why would i join a group? i just think we need to start having people run our country not politicians who have no idea what theyre people want they just kno whose goin to pay them more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 At least you understand that. I want to keep this thread on-topic, so I suggest you make a thread in Kavar's on Anarchy. Or at least your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 how am i a bigot for disliking ppl Answered your own question. I have my own issues with politicians, but acting out with disregard and lack of respect on a human level solves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 well they have been disrespecting everyone in our country without disregard to satisfy their own needs and ill stop posting because im going off on a tangent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 ill stop posting because im going off on a tangent Thank god. Now back on topic EDIT: Also, I would suggest you make your own thread in Kavar's if you think your able to defend your position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 just because they think that the people wouldnt kno what they want, like we're children. You're kidding. They're right, the public is stupid. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 They're right, the public are sheep[/Quote] That is better. Most people just follow the loudest voice that sounds smart. Anyway, it just reinforces something I've noticed a lot around where I am. That being that the people around my town are getting old and not having as many kids. Oh well. C'est la vie. But, anyway,why should Racial Majority matter? Except for possible Political Leanings... but that should only matter to slimy politicos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoad Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Here in England the government are letting all sorts of people stay in the country (illegally sometimes) being paid for by taxpayers' money, all because they're too afraid they'll upset someone if they kick them out. I don't mind immigration; it's good for the economy with cheap labour and whatnot but when people come here specially to leech off society and not contribute anything, I get a bit touchy on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mur'phon Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Of course Hoad, it has nothing to do with their countries suffering from war and poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't mind immigration; it's good for the economy with cheap labour and whatnot but when people come here specially to leech off society and not contribute anything, I get a bit touchy on the subject.I don't know how it works on your side of the pond but our illegal immigrants still have to pay taxes. Sales taxes for everyone, but those that are here with fake green cards that are getting paid over the table have to pay income tax, social security tax, etc. Of course, they don't get to withdraw that money when they're older, so the U.S. Government kinda gets to keep it. Not exactly "leeching" but then again, like I said, that's over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 That is better. Most people just follow the loudest voice that sounds smart. Ergo, they're stupid. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't know how it works on your side of the pond but our illegal immigrants still have to pay taxes. Sales taxes for everyone, but those that are here with fake green cards that are getting paid over the table have to pay income tax, social security tax, etc. Of course, they don't get to withdraw that money when they're older, so the U.S. Government kinda gets to keep it. Not exactly "leeching" but then again, like I said, that's over here. INS keeps the money funded by fake green cards and it is then used to process those people back to their countries. As well, not a lot of people in the country work here "over the table". Infact, even if they have a "green card" many employers that hire them don't exactly fill out all the paper work. What we need to do is re-construct the immigration system, instead of making it a better option to work here illegally (read, easier option) we need to encourage and support legal immigration. We're going to get these people living here either way, we might as well work them into the system. I fully support open immigration laws, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Ergo, they're stupid.[/Quote] Nope, smart people still do it. I know several people who I would say are smart who just follow the loudest voice... granted they aren't socially smart, but more math and science smart... ... Forget I said anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Of course Hoad' date=' it has [b']nothing[/b] to do with their countries suffering from war and poverty. Some of it has to do with better healthcare here in the US. I do see abuse of the system here. People bring their older/medically needy family over here, real green card or not, for just enough time to get a medicaid card. They use it for the health care, and then send the family members back home. Those people are leeching on the system in that respect--not only are they using up resources that I pay taxes for, but they're not even contributing in sales tax or any kind of income tax to help offset the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 INS keeps the money funded by fake green cards and it is then used to process those people back to their countries. Really? How do they keep track? As well, not a lot of people in the country work here "over the table". Infact, even if they have a "green card" many employers that hire them don't exactly fill out all the paper work. Yes, that is true, but we don't know to what extent. Regardless, these cases would fall under the first point that I raised. What we need to do is re-construct the immigration system, instead of making it a better option to work here illegally (read, easier option) we need to encourage and support legal immigration. We're going to get these people living here either way, we might as well work them into the system. I fully support open immigration laws, myself.This is probably close to what I believe. I think that many of the people that are here would prefer to be here legally (at least that has been the sentiment of the immigrants that I have worked with). I think the problem is that when people ask to come here legally and are told "no", we encourage illegal immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 I think most illegal aliens would love to be here legally, but it takes forever to get citizenship. If there was some way to streamline the legal alien to citizen track and speed it up substantially, that would solve a lot of problems. I see no reason why it should take years for someone to become a citizen. Limits on the number of Mexicans (or other nationalities, for that matter) who can become Americans is pretty pointless, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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