jonathan7 Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Moved the Universal Healthcare discussion here; http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=192336 As I felt this was taking this thread off the McCain - Obama debate, and warranted a thread of its own, so please discuss advantages/disadvantages of systems of healthcare there. Thanks = J7
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I guess that this would probably be the best place to post this here. If not, please forgive me.... Obama's visit to Iraq... Okay. I don't know that law on this or anything, but is what Obama did here illegal? WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.[/i] Is this illegal because Obama was...well acting like he was the president in this situation. And if so, why have we not heard anything about this? Please, can someone help explain this to me... ~Rev
Yar-El Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I guess that this would probably be the best place to post this here. If not, please forgive me.... Obama's visit to Iraq... Okay. I don't know that law on this or anything, but is what Obama did here illegal? Is this illegal because Obama was...well acting like he was the president in this situation. And if so, why have we not heard anything about this? Please, can someone help explain this to me... ~Rev Hey Rev! I tried to show people this a while ago. I don't know if it is legal, but it does undermind the current president's plan. Obama wants to make people believe he was the negotiator, or he was the one responsible for the pull out. While people's lives are in trouble, Obama wants to play politics with them. The quesiton should be: Is it moral?
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Hey Rev! I tried to show people this a while ago. I don't know if it is legal, but it does undermind the current president's plan. Obama wants to make people believe he was the negotiator, or he was the one responsible for the pull out. While people's lives are in trouble, Obama wants to play politics with them. The quesiton should be: Is it moral? Hi! It really does look like Obama tells himself that he already is the president. I was told by my father, in the military for 24 solid years, that what he did was illegal. I am just curious if it really is or not, and why we haven't heard much of it.... I don't think that he made a very smart move.
EnderWiggin Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Is this illegal because Obama was...well acting like he was the president in this situation. And if so, why have we not heard anything about this? Please, can someone help explain this to me... Persuasion isn't illegal. As far as I know, the Bush administration hasn't suspended freedom of speech. _EW_
Yar-El Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Hi! It really does look like Obama tells himself that he already is the president. I was told by my father, in the military for 24 solid years, that what he did was illegal. I am just curious if it really is or not, and why we haven't heard much of it.... I don't think that he made a very smart move. I find it to be a moral question. Does he have a moral right to interfere? Do you think he has a right to interfere? Obama is playing politics with people's lives. He should stop thinking he is president, and start thinking he is a canadate for presidency. He has done this on a few other occassions. Its ugly.
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Persuasion isn't illegal. As far as I know, the Bush administration hasn't suspended freedom of speech. _EW_ Yes; however, does he (obama) really have the authority to try to end the 'war'? I certainly don't think that he does... I find it to be a moral question. Does he have a moral right to interfere? Do you think he has a right to interfere? Obama is playing politics with people's lives. He should stop thinking he is president, and start thinking he is a canadate for presidency. He has done this on a few other occassions. Its ugly. I definately agree. As I just said, I don't think that he does have that right, or authority, to try and do something like that.
Astor Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Obama is playing politics with people's lives. Newsflash! Politicians do that every day, whether it's sending men to war or anything else they do. ]He should stop thinking he is president, and start thinking he is a canadate for presidency. He has done this on a few other occassions. Its ugly. John McCain's hardly better, what with deciding he has the right to cancel debates, and lie outright to people (Letterman, specifically).
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 John McCain's hardly better, what with deciding he has the right to cancel debates, and lie outright to people (Letterman, specifically). He doesn't have that right, but you see, he did go to the debate. That is what matters.
Yar-El Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Newsflash! Politicians do that every day, whether it's sending men to war or anything else they do. John McCain's hardly better, what with deciding he has the right to cancel debates, and lie outright to people (Letterman, specifically). McCain is doing his job. That is what senators do. Letterman? Lol... You should have heard Jay Leno bash Letterman last night. Lol... Letterman thinks he is someone special. Newsflash! He is only a talkshow host. I go to bed worrying about other things in life. We don't live in a world where Operah and Letterman determine who the people vote for. ...but you see, he did go to the debate. That is what matters. Very true.
Astor Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 He doesn't have that right, but you see, he did go to the debate. That is what matters. I quite agree, and his reasons were good, but Obama attended the very meetings as McCain did without a fuss. Newsflash! He is only a talkshow host. I go to bed worrying about other things in life. As do I... and Letterman was just an example - I was simply pointing out that McCain's just as guilty of thinking he is the next president as Obama is.
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 There is a fine line between confidence and over-confidence
Achilles Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Okay. I don't know that law on this or anything, but is what Obama did here illegal? Is this illegal because Obama was...well acting like he was the president in this situation. And if so, why have we not heard anything about this? Please, can someone help explain this to me... ~Rev Yes, it's illegal. The reason that you've not heard anything about it is because the law has never been enforced and politicians (literally) do it all the time. EDIT: Logan Act
Q Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Thanks for providing the info on the Logan Act, Achilles. Very helpful. Legal or not, it was bad form to undermine current policy like that, regardless of the rightness/wrongness of said policy. I'm rather surprised at Obama because while he does appear to be very confident he usually does not come across as arrogant. That was arrogant.
Rev7 Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Yes, thank you very much for that information Achilles. Very helpful, and it answers my question. These kinda things should be enforced.
Achilles Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I just want to take a moment to remind everyone that this is a hearsay accusation made by a columnist that has a history of bias against Barack Obama. Perhaps it would be best to reserve the witchhunt until we have something more...legitimate...to be upset over? My 2 cents.
Yar-El Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I just want to take a moment to remind everyone that this is a hearsay accusation made by a columnist that has a history of bias against Barack Obama. Perhaps it would be best to reserve the witchhunt until we have something more...legitimate...to be upset over? My 2 cents. I don't know Amir Taheri's work, so I hope you don't mind that I will take it as fact until its proven wrong. New York Post is a credible source. My two cents. You said that about every article people have posted. Where is your proof that its not legit? How about some proof Achilles.
Rev7 Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Sorry, I guess that I beat him to it. Source No matter how much I don't want Obama to be the president, I don't think that I could live with myself if I didn't post this. This is like one of the main things that I have been researching today...
Web Rider Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I was under the impression that this "Obama said we should stall" was quite old news, and has since been ignored under the pretense that everyone who was actually there said he did not say that, and the columnist, is a rather biased and untrustworthy source. If from Rev's article alone I can draw my conclusions, it would appear that Amir's statement is a flat out lie, or at the very least, a gross misconstruction of what was said.
El Sitherino Posted September 28, 2008 Author Posted September 28, 2008 No matter how much I don't want Obama to be the president Could I ask why exactly you feel a vote for McCain is the correct one?
Rev7 Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Could I ask why exactly you feel a vote for McCain is the correct one? From what each one of them wants to do. And Obama's experiance....
Astor Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 From what each one of them wants to do. And Obama's experiance.... So McCain's got a few extra years on him... neither of them have experience of being the President.
Rev7 Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 So McCain's got a few extra years on him... neither of them have experience of being the President. That is probably why they are running for president. Seriously though, yes. Niether of them have more presidental experiance.
El Sitherino Posted September 29, 2008 Author Posted September 29, 2008 From what each one of them wants to do. And Obama's experiance.... Well, that's why I'm asking. I understand you're probably all...and "hurrah, poor investment planning" for McCain, I'm just curious as to why you personally have chosen McCain. What about his policies makes you agree with him, where do you draw your lines?
Tommycat Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 re experience being president: Bush 41 had more experience being president. Did that make him a better candidate than Clinton? Personal opinion, I prefer McCain's experience. McCain had leadership experience in the military. He had leadership training. At least he actually served. While there's no requirement for service, it shows a level of dedication to the country. Obama's life experiences could also be translated to leadership experience as well. While the "Comunity organizer" has been laughed at(by some), it shows he is dedicated to the people. Both men are good men. Neither one is some evil man and that is something that both sides of this debate should remember. Neither is a perfect candidate either. One just happens to be closer to your personal expectations than the other.
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