Plot doesnt make sense

[Wepopu]

the story is good but it doesnt make sense when considering other star wars story arcs. In the force unleashed Lord Vader turns on starkiller twice in sideing with the Emperor. In the book "Rise of Darth Vader" Lord Vader talks of nothing more than finding someone who he can train to help take down his master and he does alot of this planning on the wookiee homeworld. Then in "Empire strikes back" he tries to get his son to help him overthrow the Emperor. The force unleashed is the only plot where the Vader shows to be this attached to the Emperor then considering other storylines where Vader like a true sith plot against his master. Force unleashed makes Vader seem less sith like and more like a lost child. There is no good reason why Vader shouldnt have use starkiller to help him overthrow the Emperor then you think how starkiller was able to defeat Vader then right after that defeat the Emperor. Starkiller was the one Vader was looking for when he turned to the dark side. In rise of "Darth Vader" Lord Vader says that he would have killed his master shortly after he defeated Obi-wan. Vader unyeilding love for his master in the force unleashed and the fact he has starkiller on his side makes no sense at all when consider that Vader threw away his dream for the past 20 years!

[Ctrl Alt Del]

First of all, bear in mind that TFU is one big retcon, meaning that a lot of what was considered established canon was revisited on the game.

 

Besides, Vader is a Sith and it's their way to kill their masters when they realise they're stronger than the ones who teached them. But we all know the weakness Vader had against lightning, which kept him from challenging the Emperor on a one-on-one fight. Thus the need of a helping hand and therefore showing that Vader has no love for Sidious.

 

I believe Vader didn't actully thought that Starkiller would be able to do the task he was originally bred for. Just take a look at the endings anyway.

Either he yields to the Emperor or he's killed by him.

 

[Darth_Yuthura]

That sounds right. It makes sense that if Vader would seek to overthrow the Emperor with Luke Skywalker, then surly he would have used Starkiller earlier on.

 

When Starkiller said "You never planned to destroy the Emperor."

Vader said "Not with you."

 

This might have meant that Vader intended to use Starkiller to destroy the rebellious senators before he took command from Palpatine and use someone else... of course, he did not even know about Luke yet, so that doesn't make much sense.

 

I like the double-crossing nature of the Sith, but it's flawed in this regard.

[Shem]

Actually the whole story in TFU makes total sense. Here's why:

 

Vader’s intention to use Starkiller to overthrow the Emperor was Vader’s original plan. However, Vader’s fear of his master is what controlled him. Vader was a shell of his former self and he knows this. Vader wanted to be absolutely sure that he could beat the Emperor before attempting it as he knew that I couldn’t afford to fail because it would lead to his death on the spot.

 

I’m betting that even though Vader told Starkiller that he was to leave no witnesses, somehow someone witness his existence and was not discovered by Starkiller, or he would have been killed on the spot. This witness reported to the Emperor, and from there the Emperor investigated who this mystery guy was. Through his spies, he discovers that it was a secret apprentice of Vader. The Emperor saw an opportunity with this and that is he could use this boy to replace Vader.

 

The Emperor probably figures out that this guy is loyal to Vader just like Maul was to him. So he needed a plan create a division between them so Starkiller’s loyalty to Vader would be shaken. Could you imagine the fear that went through Vader when the Emperor confronted him about his secret apprentice and the surprise that went through Vader’s mind that the Emperor said there could be some use for him to help the Empire?

 

That is when having Vader injure him would do the trick. When Starkiller woke up and realized he was still alive, he was mad at Vader for what he did to him. In the meantime, the Emperor needed his enemies identified and eliminated. Though I don’t think the Emperor intended to find all of his enemies, just enough to make use out of Starkiller to help create division between him and Vader so that he would have a chance to turn him to the Emperor’s side.

 

I still think Vader still had intention to use Starkiller to destroy the Emperor, but when he saw that he had some good in him (that is when he confronted him about the conflict he had with his strong feelings about his friends), he decided that it was time to move on and find a new apprentice to overthrow the Emperor. This is why he told Starkiller that he didn’t intend to overthrow the Emperor with him, but it was implied he still intended to overthrow the Emperor with someone else because Vader realized at that point he had not truly fallen to the dark side the way he needed him to be to rule the galaxy together.

 

The Emperor meantime wanted to use Starkiller. So when Starkiller made his way through the Death Star, the Emperor decided to use this moment to have Starkiller give into his hate for Vader to his advantage. If Starkiller defeats Vader, he would give him the opportunity to join him and replace Vader at his side. So when that happened, and with the Emperor sensing his hate for Vader, this was the moment to either have him join the Emperor, or destroy him just like what happened with Luke in Return of the Jedi.

 

When you look at it this way, the whole story makes total sense to why things happened the way it did. Does this clear up any confusion people may have?

[TKA-001]

Though I don’t think the Emperor intended to find all of his enemies, just enough to make use out of Starkiller to help create division between him and Vader so that he would have a chance to turn him to the Emperor’s side.

I think Palpatine primarily wanted to find his most prominent enemies from the Senate (and elsewhere, after probing their brains for the names of other potential threats), and that Galen becoming his apprentice was just a potential bonus on the side.

 

Galen may have had impressive potential, but practically speaking, Palpatine didn't really need an apprentice that was much more powerful than Vader. Throughout the Jedi Purge, Vader showed himself more than capable of defeating Jedi, and even before the Purge was over, the Jedi Order posed virtually no threat to the Empire. Not only that, but in the years between the rise of the Empire and the Battle of Endor, Palpatine had a number of powerful Dark Jedi in his service (such as Jerec and his minions, his Hand Cronal, Kadann and the Prophets of the Dark Side, etcetera), but he never replaced Vader with any of them. Chances are, Palpatine probably didn't really care who won the fight between Galen and Vader, so long as Galen was either killed or forced into submission, especially since neither outcomes would be a difficult task (indeed, both endings make it very clear that Palpatine was more than capable of killing Galen with relative ease).

[Shem]

I think Palpatine primarily wanted to find his most prominent enemies from the Senate (and elsewhere, after probing their brains for the names of other potential threats), and that Galen becoming his apprentice was just a potential bonus on the side.

That's probably true.

 

Galen may have had impressive potential, but practically speaking, Palpatine didn't really need an apprentice that was much more powerful than Vader. Throughout the Jedi Purge, Vader showed himself more than capable of defeating Jedi, and even before the Purge was over, the Jedi Order posed virtually no threat to the Empire. Not only that, but in the years between the rise of the Empire and the Battle of Endor, Palpatine had a number of powerful Dark Jedi in his service (such as Jerec and his minions, his Hand Cronal, Kadann and the Prophets of the Dark Side, etcetera), but he never replaced Vader with any of them. Chances are, Palpatine probably didn't really care who won the fight between Galen and Vader, so long as Galen was either killed or forced into submission, especially since neither outcomes would be a difficult task (indeed, both endings make it very clear that Palpatine was more than capable of killing Galen with relative ease).

That's where I disagree with you.

 

Palpatine wanted a stronger apprentice. I wish I could find that quote by Lucas (I think it's on my old computer), but what he said was he wanted Luke to replace Vader since Luke was stronger. Palpatine was disappointed in what happened to Vader as he wanted him to be a very strong Sith Lord to keep the order strong. It was a tradition.

[Darth_Yuthura]

I think that Vader knew Galen was more powerful than he and intended to use him to destroy the Emperor... and then kill his secret apprentice after that.

 

In regards to post #4: Vader clearly was not afraid or surprised at the Emperor finding Galen. Had he betrayed his master, Vader SHOULD have been dead. Palpatine said 'now you will kill him' Shouldn't he have killed Vader then and there? Of course. The only reason why he didn't was because they were acting to make Galen's future missions against the Empire more convincing. (He became Palpatine's greatest spy because he didn't even know what his true mission was)

 

At the end, the Emperor said that he was meant to root out the Rebels. Vader implied that was what Palpatine intended all along. Vader was a pathetic Sith as he became nothing more than the Emperor's loyal tarrier.

[Wepopu]

The Emperor doesnt care about the sith order or its notions. In rise of "Darth Vader" the emporer states he only cares about power and when he is able to cheat death that he doesnt need an someone like Vader to train because he will have all the power he needs. the Emperor after "Return of the Jedi" has numerous dark jedi doing his bidding thus breaking the rule of two that got him into power. Now Vader knows that his master has a habit of replacing his second in commands when something stronger comes around and knowing he is not is full self it would only make sense if vader used starkiller to overthrow his master because how long does he plan on living like that? Vader purge himself of all fear and weakness other than the having no real limbs cant be shocked weakness shortly after "Revenge of the Sith". Because he fully embrace the dark side and removed his mental blocks is what made he the scary powerful sith lord of the Empire. To say that he was scared of the Emperor makes as much sense atleast to me as the plot for the force unleashed.

[TKA-001]

Palpatine was disappointed in what happened to Vader as he wanted him to be a very strong Sith Lord to keep the order strong. It was a tradition.

It may have been a tradition, but the tradition wasn't a practical necessity. If it was, Palpatine would have replaced Vader with one of his other (more potentially powerful) Dark Jedi before he knew about Luke's existence.

[Shem]

It may have been a tradition, but the tradition wasn't a practical necessity. If it was, Palpatine would have replaced Vader with one of his other (more potentially powerful) Dark Jedi before he knew about Luke's existence.

I always find it funny when someone tries to tell you how they think it is and forget that they're throwing out all reason that George Lucas wrote Star Wars (and co-wrote the TFU) and what he says is gospel about his franchise.

[GeneralPloKoon]

The plot makes perfect sense to me!

[TKA-001]

I always find it funny when someone tries to tell you how they think it is and forget that they're throwing out all reason that George Lucas wrote Star Wars (and co-wrote the TFU) and what he says is gospel about his franchise.

Don't bother to challenge my argument if you're not even going to attempt to produce any actual evidence against it. I made a conclusion based on previously established canon information. What information is there in the canon which disproves or conflicts with my conclusion? Instead of producing any, you decided that because my conclusion is supposedly irreconcilable with Lucas' vision of Star Wars, even though all of the information which I used to form my conclusion is drawn from 100% Lucas-approved EU material and Lucas has never said anything (relevant to this discussion) on the topic.

[Shem]

Don't bother to challenge my argument if you're not even going to attempt to produce any actual evidence against it.

I already told you. My evidence is practically gone. I never bothered to transfer it once RotS came out since my debates about what's going to happen in the movies is over. I know I'm right and I don't need to prove myself to you. So go along sonny and believe what you want to believe because I really don't care what you believe. Opinions don't change facts so because I'm not going to spend two to three hours finding what you supposedly want to see isn't going to change what it really is.

 

 

even though all of the information which I used to form my conclusion is drawn from 100% Lucas-approved EU material and Lucas has never said anything (relevant to this discussion) on the topic.

I'm laughing at this because you missed the memo where Lucas doesn't always go along with what he approves for those EU writers. There is so many contradicting plots in the EU books versus what Lucas has done in his movies and even the recent Clone Wars series that it's laughable that you would try to throw that one by me and think it was a good point you made. If you ask for proof for the point I'm making how Lucas doesn't follow his approval for many EU plots, I'm going fall out of my chair laughing because it's something you should already know without me telling you.

 

Past experience has taught me that even if I had provided proof, you still probably would have goneall lawyer on me and looked for a loop hole to try to make sound like Lucas agrees with you (your EU approval point you tried to make to me has given me the reason to believe this about you), so what's the point for me to find my old computer in the storage unit, hook it up, search for the document with his quote and post it? Are you really worth that much trouble? Well, I don't think you nor is it important to me to try to convince you to change your mind because what you think really isn't that important to me. All you would be is bitter if I had posted it because you would have been proven wrong in public and I don't think your ego would handle that well.

 

Anyway, believe what you want to believe because you have already made up your mind. You pretty much reminded me why debates like this are utterly pointless. Why did I even bother again?

[Prime]

Palpatine wanted a stronger apprentice. I wish I could find that quote by Lucas (I think it's on my old computer), but what he said was he wanted Luke to replace Vader since Luke was stronger. Palpatine was disappointed in what happened to Vader as he wanted him to be a very strong Sith Lord to keep the order strong. It was a tradition.

Yes, I think that has been long established both by comments from Lucas and Palpatine's actions.

 

I think that Vader knew Galen was more powerful than he and intended to use him to destroy the Emperor... and then kill his secret apprentice after that.

What is this based on? I haven't completed the game

 

the Emperor after "Return of the Jedi" has numerous dark jedi doing his bidding thus breaking the rule of two that got him into power.

But they weren't Sith, thus the rule was not broken. The Sith do this throughout history, as we see during the Clone Wars as well.

 

It may have been a tradition, but the tradition wasn't a practical necessity. If it was, Palpatine would have replaced Vader with one of his other (more potentially powerful) Dark Jedi before he knew about Luke's existence.

From what we have seen so far there wasn't anyone more powerful than Vader, especially potentially. We know that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith of all time, from the NEC and RotS novel. We also know from Lucas and RotS that Anakin had the unrealized potential to be twice as powerful as Palpatine but in the end was only 80% as powerful due to his injuries. However, Palpatine believed that the power of the Sith was not in their physical form, and that Vader could still reach his potential. But 20 years later he had come to realize that that was not going to happen. We also know from the novelizations that Luke also had huge potential, and Palpatine wanted to replace "damaged goods" Vader with undamaged Luke.

 

But all that being said, these sorts of things are why I have essentially become a movie purist, at least for the film eras. There are just too many hoops to jump through to get things to line up, and the fact that to the creator the films and the UE are essentially different universes.

[Ztalker]

No, Shem is correct:

 

"However, after all of his limbs were severed and he was extremely burned on Mustafar he lost much of his Force potential. As Darth Vader, Anakin was believed to have had roughly 80% of the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful."

―George Lucas[src]

 

So. From (compared to the Emperor) 200% down to 80%. And an apprentice that wouldn't be stronger then he was. An apprentice that couldn't use the traditional Force Lightning. Not a worthy apprentice making the Sith stronger.

 

George Lucas has stated that Luke has the same Force potential as his father, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor were willing to turn on each other to gain Luke as their apprentice. Luke is said to represent Anakin's full potential, if Anakin had lived to achieve it rather than suffer the horrible fate that made him more machine than man. Lucas further measures that Luke's Force potential was twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine.

 

Replace the cyborg with someone who still has the potential to reach 200% instead of the 'lowsy' 80%.

[Zwier Zak]

As far as I'm concerned the force unleashed story never took place, no matter what lucas sais. The stuff that man is doing to star wars is more than stupid. Vader was strong with the force. And he was no fool. He would not train annyone more powerful than himself. He would become stronger than the emperor with time and age. Never leave (or in this case kill) your master before you learn all you can from him.

[Shem]

As far as I'm concerned the force unleashed story never took place, no matter what lucas sais. The stuff that man is doing to star wars is more than stupid.

So what are you doing here exactly? Let me give you some advice. You really shouldn't be here if you feel that way because what you're doing here is saying things that will possibly bait people to make a comeback with a heated response leading to a possible heated debate. In my personal opinion statements like that are troll like statements which have no place here (bashing TFU in a TFU forum isn't cool), but that's me.

 

 

Vader was strong with the force. And he was no fool. He would not train annyone more powerful than himself.

I hate to burst your bubble, but Darth Sidious was smarter than Vader. If you don't believe it, just remember who manipulated who to the dark side! Palpatine had Anakin eating out of his hand.

 

Oh, and Darth Sidious who is smarter took on Anakin as his apprentice with the knowlege that he would become more power than him, or so he assumed and that assumption would have happened if Anakin didn't receive those injuries on Mustafar.

 

Anakin had a lot of talent and skill, but his logical skills were clouded by his strong emotions. That in itself takes away a lot of intelligence. So in a nutshell you created an opinion that you decided was fact from your own point of view.

 

"You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more power than either of us."

 

 

 

But all that being said, these sorts of things are why I have essentially become a movie purist, at least for the film eras. There are just too many hoops to jump through to get things to line up, and the fact that to the creator the films and the UE are essentially different universes.

You and I are on the same boat. Like with video games for example, I never play with the yellow, orange, etc, colored lightsabers 97% of the time. I usually stick with blue, green, and red as I feel the other color shouldn't be in there for consistency reasons.

 

I can except a story like TFU since it is very consistent with how Star Wars works if you throw out the yellow, orange, and gold lightsaber colors. Another story I can accept easily with canon is the book, Shadows of the Empire.

[Sir Vougalot]

I'm really tired of people saying that Sidious and Vader (and also Tyranus) training other Dark Jedi breaks the Rule of Two. Is it really that hard to figure out? They're not Sith! You don't even need to read anything in order to figure this out. The prequels illustrate to us quite clearly that a Sith is not simply a Jedi who has fallen to the dark side but one who has pledged his life to an organized philosophy, as can best be seen in with Anakin's ordination at the feet of Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith. Why are people still bringing this up these days? The answer comes from a combination of viewing the prequels and common sense.

 

Sorry about that. Though only one comment has been made on the subject in this thread so far, this is something that has always irritated me. You'd think it would be crystal clear to everyone by now.

 

 

 

Anyway, I pretty much agree one hundred percent with Shem here. However, here is my reservation about the story: the dark side ending. Yes, I know it isn't canon, but isn't Darth Vader being killed while still allied with the Sith and the dark side impossible since prophecy holds his future set in stone? He is destined to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force and is the only one who is able to do so, since it is stated in the prophecy of the Chosen One, so is it not impossible for Darth Vader to be killed if you think about it? He has to be redeemed and fulfill the prophecy first, and then he can die. I know it sounds cheap as hell, but really, this man with such a destiny cannot possibly die any other way. If that were not the case, the Sith would have never been defeated and the Force would have been doomed to remain unbalanced for all eternity.

 

Unless, of course, the "future" is not absolute. Perhaps the prophecy of the Chosen One is only one possible future (and the only hopeful one, really), and it is up to those who still wish to see the light triumph over the dark - Yoda, Obi-Wan and Luke - to ensure that it comes to fulfillment? That sounds better, really.

[Zwier Zak]

So what are you doing here exactly? Let me give you some advice. You really shouldn't be here if you feel that way because what you're doing here is saying things that will possibly bait people to make a comeback with a heated response leading to a possible heated debate. In my personal opinion statements like that are troll like statements which have no place here (bashing TFU in a TFU forum isn't cool), but that's me.

It's not about taste but logic. Besides annone (!) who knows a bit about movie history will agree that the new star wars stuff is just plain c$@p compared to the originals. With of the 6 (7?) movies will be known for the next 30 years? Besides I'm not bashing the game I'm just saying that It's story was not as good as it was said it would be.

 

Why is it you belive that it's wrong to state an opinion about a game on the games forum?

[Shem]

It's not about taste but logic. Besides annone (!) who knows a bit about movie history will agree that the new star wars stuff is just plain c$@p compared to the originals.

I disagree. I've been a Star Wars movie buff ever since I had the ability remember what I did yesterday. I remember going to the original movies in the theater and I even remember going to ESB and ROTJ when they first came out in '80 and '83. In fact, I went to opening night on both of those movies. I not only know the history, I lived it. I actually like the Prequels better.

 

 

Besides I'm not bashing the game I'm just saying that It's story was not as good as it was said it would be.

That's not what you said. What you said is:

 

"As far as I'm concerned the force unleashed story never took place, no matter what lucas sais. The stuff that man is doing to star wars is more than stupid."

 

You bashed TFU and not just the fact you based it, you did it in a TFU forum. I'll give you an example of what you said is not cool when I address you next statement.

 

Why is it you belive that it's wrong to state an opinion about a game on the games forum?

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. But there are ethics on when or where to state those opinions. What if I didn't like Polish people and then I decided to visit a forum that is just for fellow Polish people and created a topic about how I felt that Polish people sucked? Hey, I'm just expressing my opinion, right? But what happens is you tick a lot of people off who are visiting there because they're Polish people and that is a place for them to chat. So basically I just baited a potential flame war.

 

Does that make it clear that there is a time and place where and when you should ever express an opinion? That is when you use ethics to pick your spots. There are games out there that I don't like and you would never see me go to a forum dedicated to that game to say how much I think it sucked even though I don't like the game and that is my opinion. It's useless chatter. My advice is to stay away from places you don't like, but unfortunately some people love to visit places decided to things they don't like and have no trouble saying it. To me, those are troublemakers. The site I manage (KotorFiles), I won't allow trolls like that on my site because it's totally stupid for them to be there in the first place.

[Blix]

Yeah the plot for TFU always did seem a little jumbled to me; secret apprentice going here & there, sparing so & so and killing this & that.

[SW01]

Yeah the plot for TFU always did seem a little jumbled to me; secret apprentice going here & there, sparing so & so and killing this & that.

 

*Possible Spoilers Ahead*

 

The only times I remember Starkiller sparing anything (that wasn't just an enemy you missed...) were the encounters with Maris Brood and Sidious.

 

For the first, it was necessary as he had already started down the path of a Jedi. Actually, that explains the second, too. He couldn't strike down a defeated enemy, one that had surrendered.

 

Also, Palpatine was leading him on, in much the same way he would attempt to draw Skywalker to the dark in ROTJ. Had he killed a (seemingly) defenceless opponent, it would have been a big step to the dark side.

 

On killing, he *is* Vader's assassin early on. His very purpose is to eliminate the last of the Jedi in preparation for taking on the Emperor. Though it pained me to kill the stormies (), I thought the reason was pretty good - Vader couldn't afford the Emperor 'finding out' about him. Though, as the Emperor already knew, this was probably more a thetric to convince Starkiller, a test of loyalty (how ready was he to kill servants of the Empire), or a method of deepening his darkside link.

 

On the whole topic, I thought the plot as a whole was one of the better ones - I hadn't read anything on the storyline beforehand, so the turn halfway through, Vader's betrayal and the Rebellion's formation, made the story very interesting indeed. Never did there seem to be any confusion - it all seemed quite well knit together.

[Zwier Zak]

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. But there are ethics on when or where to state those opinions. What if I didn't like Polish people and then I decided to visit a forum that is just for fellow Polish people and created a topic about how I felt that Polish people sucked? Hey, I'm just expressing my opinion, right? But what happens is you tick a lot of people off who are visiting there because they're Polish people and that is a place for them to chat. So basically I just baited a potential flame war.

 

No becouse we are not talking about people. We are talking about a product. A product for with I paid with my money. A game forum is a place where people say what they like or dislike about a surtain game. If you don't know that than you should never run a website about a game (no ofence).

 

Also I did not bash the game. I said I didn't like the story. I didn't say a word about it's gameplay, level design or an overall score.

[Ztalker]

No, but it's the way you say it

 

Example, you can say:

"I want to KILL Obama and hate the fool."

Or say:

"I don't think he will be a good president because -insert arguments-"

 

You basically did the first, hating it without argumentation.

However, I do feel you have a point

 

If you look at a Kotor or Jedi Knight, the plot has (imo) a bit too much 'little' twists, where Kotor and JK mostly have 1 or 2 MAJOR ones.

I simply like the game for it's 'feel.' You have the old Jedi Master, young hero, love, humorous droid. It has all the good parts.

 

You can not however, claim it wasn't George Lucas' vision. He actually wanted this. Spared Shaak Ti in the Third movie and is currently planning life-action tv series which take place in between episode 3 and 4. And the actor playing the Apprentice has already stated he'd like to be a part of it.

[Zwier Zak]

SOPILER WARNING

 

No, but it's the way you say it

 

Example, you can say:

"I want to KILL Obama and hate the fool."

Or say:

"I don't think he will be a good president because -insert arguments-"

 

 

I gotta give it to ya there. Sorry about that.

 

When I first saw TOT I was so impresed with the characters in these movies. Vader was one of the best bad guys in movie history, the Emperor was just EVIL. Now what GL and LA are doing to these heroes is just wrong. First Vader trains some kid who he knows will become stronger than him. Why? To defeat the Emperor? To use him to destroy the Emperors foes? None of these makes much sence. If he would use starkiller to kill his master he would just trade one strong enemy for an even stronger enemy. I would not suspect him to be that stupid. If he whanted to find the emperors foes why send him on those jedi killing quests? Anny jelly with a brain would send him to form the alliance before killing the jedi. Why? The risk of his allies finding out about his past would be much smaller. The two sith just look like real amateurs in this game. First they train a kid who could become stronger than them and eventualy kill them and then they send him on a job anny good spy could do.

 

Why would master Kota help Starkiller? Witch good general would risk helping someone who tried to kill him? Yeah ok he could feel some things trough te force but still becouse of Kotas actions ALL of the Emperors foes could have been killed. That is not how a good leader acts.

 

Plot twists? Where? When? It was pretty much clear from the start that Vader would betrey him.

 

Love story? Starkiller and Juno talk for like 5 seconds in these cutsenes. I've taken baths deeper than their relationship and I saw moore love between a toaster and a coffee pot.

 

You can not however, claim it wasn't George Lucas' vision. He actually wanted this. Spared Shaak Ti in the Third movie and is currently planning life-action tv series which take place in between episode 3 and 4. And the actor playing the Apprentice has already stated he'd like to be a part of it.

 

Don't get this the wrong way but George... he just lost it at some point. All of his productions since TPM were down hill for me. And the actor? Yeah If I had a chance to play in a live action tv series with will bring big profit and popularity I'd go for it too. There are millions of actors interested in being a part of it... but that does not make it good.

 

 

Sorry bout my spelling ;/