JediAthos Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 That is very true...the movements of SSBN's are a closely guarded secret...and few know where they at any given time since they don't surface hardly at all once they're deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 One thing I'm wondering...would we retaliate with nukes ourselves? I'm thinking that since Obama is incharge, no. We can already wipe N. Korea off the face of the Earth without nukes, and not using nukes against Kim Jong Mentally Ill when he has would actually gain the US far more sympathy than 9/11 did. Plus, it'd be the least amount of casualties: just target military facilities with precision smart bombs only. Either way, N. Korea is toast and they know it. The question is this: who is really in charge and what is the mental health of Kim Jong Ill? If it's Kim and he's truly crazy, this scenario may occur if they have the tech. If it's the military having a Myanmar style junta secretly, they're just going to keep screeching at us to give them aid or be destroyed by weapons that might not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 ^^Kim Jong Mentally Ill? Clever:D Well, we've been asking the question of his anity many...many times so far. But the thing is, NK is so isolated and allows so little information out to the public, we may not know what Kim Jong Il's mental health until...either when it's too late, or when he's dead. I know of no sources that speak of his sanity, yet. Also, concerning the idea of using smart bombs. We could do that, we already have an Airbase there, and 28,000 troops. This may be a good alternative to nukes, because it would prevent the utter destruction of thousands, possibly millions, of innocent{though maybe brainwashed} civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Plus, it'd be the least amount of casualties: just target military facilities with precision smart bombs only. Don't be so sure. Military personnel aren't the only ones who go inside military bases. There are bound to be numerous civilian scientists and engineers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Still Military targets would cause the least amount of civillian casualties, and using precision strikes from Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from either ships or submarines would be an even better alternative to smart bombs as those require using bombers or attack aircraft. I would imagine the smart bombs would come after cruise missile strikes or strikes from Predator drones or some other type of UAV as has been done before in Iraq and Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 That's why he said "least" and not "none" or "no civilian". A precision strike on military targets would naturally have casualties, both military and possible civilian. But preferable to area bombing near civilian population centers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Anyone else think this might not be just a test? Perhaps a message to our buddy Kim in North Korea? "Hey guess what, we can do it too" Maybe? I really don't think that the US has anything to prove to anyone or anybody...I think the entire world knows what we're capable of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I really don't think that the US has anything to prove to anyone or anybody...I think the entire world knows what we're capable of... Honestly, I think a lot of people don't. They see our half-hearted efforts to "play nice" with civilians and wage a war at the same time as us being evil and abusing our power. I think if we really flexed our muscle, with the kinds of weaponry people are talking about here, it would put everything we've done over the last decade in a whole new light ala: "Wow, they were barely trying." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Honestly, I think a lot of people don't. They see our half-hearted efforts to "play nice" with civilians and wage a war at the same time as us being evil and abusing our power. I think if we really flexed our muscle, with the kinds of weaponry people are talking about here, it would put everything we've done over the last decade in a whole new light ala: "Wow, they were barely trying." I couldn't agree more Web...considering a single carrier battle group has enough fire power to reduce a small country to dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Well, it's July 4th almost, and we're all still alive, so, things are looking up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Everything seems okay to me. This happened though: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/nkorea.missiles/index.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530004,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 ^They were displaying the peak of their military might by launching all of their missiles at once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 ^^Yeah, it'd be funny if those missiles were all they had....heehee...doubtful, but I'm sure it would've shown their 'might.' Well, it doesn't look like any nukes are flying towards Hawaii. We still have a lot of the day to go, and I'm not entirely sure it's July 4th yet for NK, but it looks to me that Kim Jong Il was bluffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 I also believe we didn't search the boats suspected to contain nuclear components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerGod Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 well, last time I checked, Hawaii hasn't become a nuclear wasteland, so they were just beating their chest. For now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I also believe we didn't search the boats suspected to contain nuclear components. Under the UN Resolution we didn't have authority to use military force to search the ship. The most we could do would be ask for permission to search it and if permission was refused then the ship would have to be searched by the country where it pulled into port, and it would not be able to refuel etc... Not only did we not ask for permission, but the ship turned around and went back the way it came without ever pulling in to another port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 ^The ship made the right choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I also believe we didn't search the boats suspected to contain nuclear components. And risk a declaration of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Or maybe just to call their bluff. I seriously doubt KJI would break the 50+ yr old ceasefire unless he figures the rest of the NKs have no right to exist when he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Or maybe just to call their bluff. I seriously doubt KJI would break the 50+ yr old ceasefire unless he figures the rest of the NKs have no right to exist when he's dead. Yeah but the last thing the US needs is to get blamed for starting another war. It's one thing to let NK fire the first shot, but I really don't think it'd good for anyone if the US does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 And risk a declaration of war? That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. Under the UN Resolution we didn't have authority to use military force to search the ship. The most we could do would be ask for permission to search it and if permission was refused then the ship would have to be searched by the country where it pulled into port, and it would not be able to refuel etc... Not only did we not ask for permission, but the ship turned around and went back the way it came without ever pulling in to another port. An about-face before the mission even really got underway. ^The ship made the right choice... QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah but the last thing the US needs is to get blamed for starting another war. It's one thing to let NK fire the first shot, but I really don't think it'd good for anyone if the US does. There's always more than one way to do a great many things. Black ops is one obvious option. "Piracy" is another. As long as there is culpable deniability....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 We do have anti-ballistic missiles. Most have been shelves, the current being the updated Patriot Missile, the SM-3, and the Arrow. This is, in my opinion, unrealistic. Anti-ballistic missiles and so on are great when you know what is coming, but a surprise MIRV would be almost guaranteed a hit. Its just countries blowing more hot air at each other. Realistically, it wouldn't be that hard to nuke a country into dust. Just don't expect to be standing when the dust clears, however. Anti-ballistic missile systems serve a different purpose than what they were really designed for. The US has been outputting weapons of mass destruction even when there were more than enough to cause global winter. Why bother at that point? It was that they were built with the hope that they would never be used. If the US could claim that it has an effective anti-ballistic missile system, even if it doesn't, it could serve to ease the minds of US citizens that we are not at risk from Korea nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 There's always more than one way to do a great many things. Black ops is one obvious option. "Piracy" is another. As long as there is culpable deniability....... I feel a Tom Clancy book/video game coming on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 There's always more than one way to do a great many things. Black ops is one obvious option. "Piracy" is another. As long as there is culpable deniability....... Uh huh, because people never find out we toppled said country that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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