Gatherum Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Is TOR flopping because it isn't well-conceived, or are there other reasons?
Q Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 There are several opinions, but, from what I've gathered, the KotOR fans are angry because of the blatant attempt to pigeon-hole them into paying a monthly fee to play an MMO, while the MMO crowd is angry because TOR is basically a single-player RPG with some MMO elements added that closely copy WoW, and, therefore, bring nothing new and original to the table. Basically, it appears that BioWare got caught in the classic trap of trying to please everybody and ended up pleasing nobody. So, I guess that LA, EA and BW would've been better off just listening to the fans and making KotOR 3. Gotta say I told ya' so.
Obi-Wan Bologna Posted August 31, 2012 Author Posted August 31, 2012 Right, no one had a problem with KOTOR as a ligitiment RPG and no one had a problem with Galaxies as being an MMO, but there is huge controversy over the gameplay of TOR.
Gatherum Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 So basically, it plays sort of like Final Fantasy XII, except that it actually aims to be an MMO and has a monthly fee? I loved FFXII, but I have to say that this is kind of a bad idea. :/ Honestly though, they could still make KotOR III by setting it either shortly after KotOR II or at the lead-up to and/or during the Great Galactic War, prior to the Treaty of Coruscant. I don't see it being hard... *Sigh.* But then, the Great Galactic War era is already too well-documented at this point to offer any real mystery, isn't it?
milestails Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 I would love a story that begins with the TOR "Return" video! You would play as Satele Shan and your companions starting out would be: Jace Malcom Nico Okarr T7-O1
Slayer93 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Excuse the ignorance but where would I find a direct link for the PAL version and from a distributor that ships to New Zealand. I can pay Paypal or VISA Cheers! p.s. I wonder if an XBox version will arrive one day - I own the xbox versions and PC ones... a bit like most of us here ;-)
Alexrd Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Excuse the ignorance but where would I find a direct link for the PAL version and from a distributor that ships to New Zealand. It has only been released in the US, for now. p.s. I wonder if an XBox version will arrive one day Doubt it.
Christos K Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 You'd think that the Xbox versions would go on Games on Demands considering they are popular games (on PC at least)
Alexrd Posted September 6, 2012 Posted September 6, 2012 It was released today in the UK, for us european folks.
thejman217 Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 That's a great picture. I'm sure that little girl caused the entire thing. XD I'm pretty sure she (the ship itself) hit an iceberg. Unless.....*gasp*......she hijacked the cockpit/main room/control room (idk what the main room is called on a ship as big as that) without anyone realizing and steered her into an iceberg!!!!!!
Alexrd Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 Has anyone confirmed if this version is mod friendly? I would really like to buy it if it were the case.
Obi-Wan Bologna Posted September 8, 2012 Author Posted September 8, 2012 Has anyone confirmed if this version is mod friendly? I would really like to buy it if it were the case. This, I will buy it anyway since it's Windows 7 friendly, but would be cool if mods worked.
Sithspecter Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 I bought it, and I haven't installed any mods yet, but I will check tonight. To me, it seems like there are quite a few more bugs in the TSL version, but I am not very familiar with TSL, so they may have always been there.
Gatherum Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 It is very mod-friendly. However, UniWS does not work on the new EXE's provided. If you want to play it in widescreen, you will need a cracked EXE. The bright side about that is that the Windows 7 stability fixes do not seem to be related to the EXE's, as both games are just as stable with cracked EXE's bearing previous version numbers. The only other real difference between the new bundle versions and previous versions is that they may offer a different installation path than the others (for example, the installation directory that KotOR offers is C:\Program Files (x86)\LucasArts\Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, as opposed to the usual SWKotOR folder; however, this is negligible and no issues will arise out of what you choose to name the directory). Just note that if there are any glitches, they are probably vanilla or stem from mod conflicts. They did not tweak any other aspects of these games other than OS stability and newer EXE's--otherwise, they have all the same advantages and drawbacks as the previous versions (i.e. TSL being buggy as all hell without TSLRCM or other mass bugfix mods). The long and short of it is: yes, it is. Buy and mod away.
Alexrd Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 So, as for advantages: Single DVD for each game ✔ Recent OS compatibility ✔ Updated versions with the latest patch ✔ EDIT: All good. I'll buy it asap.
Sir Vougalot Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 I've heard that all or most of the mods created for the original versions are incompatible, though. Is this true?
Gatherum Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 So, as for advantages: Single DVD for each game ✔ Recent OS compatibility ✔ Updated versions with the latest patch ? Yes. I've heard that all or most of the mods created for the original versions are incompatible, though. Is this true? No. That is a bad claim and whoever made it should feel bad.
Christos K Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 IS it possible that the fixes present for the Bundle could be extracted and downloaded for those of us who have not bought it?
Gatherum Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 I'm not saying definitively that there isn't, but I should point that it's like $20 man, come on.
Christos K Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 Its not so much a thing of money as it is a thing of a hassle. You see, I currently have both my KotOR games installed with a large amount of mods and for each one I have done some modifications of my own either to make mods compatible or just add a small personal touch. I don't remember all of these things off the bat, so I would have to re-install both games, reinstall all the mods that I want, make the changes that I know right off the bat, then start playing through the game and seeing things that I had changed in the past, exit the game, make the changes and then keep playing until I have made all the changes to my liking.
Gatherum Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 Well, here's your opportunity to properly document all those changes you made.
Sir Vougalot Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 No. That is a bad claim and whoever made it should feel bad. Good, good. IS it possible that the fixes present for the Bundle could be extracted and downloaded for those of us who have not bought it? Fixes? What fixes? Now I'm interested!
Gatherum Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 He refers to the Windows 7 compatibility and stability.
Sir Vougalot Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Oh, right. I wish LucasArts would do the same with some of their older PC games, particularly Jedi Knight and X-Wing/TIE Fighter.
Motorheadbanger Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Quick question for those with the bundle, do you have to use XP compatibility mode, or does it work fine without it?
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