ShockV1.89 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Just a little one. I cannot stand it when I look at a nicely pinging server, see it has four players in it, hop in, and see four bots running away from me. Damnit, when I see 4/12, I expect to see four HUMAN players. Thats why it's MULTIplayer, people. Not so I can say "Oh, cool! Four bots! A whole four bots! Shucks, that looks like fun!" No, HUMAN players. Dont make me aste my time by waiting for my slowass computer to load up your server only to see your damn bots! ARG!!!! I am done now. ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[JHQ]Inty Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 It's more your fault for not being observant enough. If someone's ping is 0 or lower their either the server(bots) or the host; but the host's ping does not stay 0 the entire time, it'll fluctuate between 0 and a very low number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 I dont usually check server status before I enter the server. I just see 4/12, and I go in. It's annoying to have to check to see who's in there. Once I'm there, I know right away who's a bot and who isnt. ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 using outside prog's like qtracker i know give the names of the players, therefore its easy to descerne between bots (luke, tavion) and real people (padawan, imleetndasheet)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 What is it with those bots anyway? Can you actually *fight* them at some point? ...I tried out Promod Beta 2 a while ago; made a server and spawned 2 bots (Jedi Master level.) Then I went to ArtifeX's site to read the "manual". When I finally got back to the game fifteen minutes later, I was still in the lead with 0 kills. And no, I wasn't hiding in some dark corner...I was standing in the middle of the huge opening in Bespin streets.. So..what's wrong with those bots? They don't want to fight? Is that it? And if so - what the hell are they doing in this game?? (besides running backwards) Is there some trick that I don't know of? Do I have to taunt them (or something) so that they'll get pissed off and finally attack/&fight me? I feel your pain Shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taboo Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The bots play rather defensively, which is especially noticeable if you're in a saber only server. If you're saber is drawn, it can be quite some time before a bot will manage to kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 when ever a bot starts to back up, i just back away from them, if there is enough room, they usually come at me again... something that works for me anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psionic Jedi Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Bottom line: MP Bots are t3h shiet! I wish we could import SP NPCs into MP. My god to have a real Tavion running around and lightning you if you draw a gun and grip you off bespin would be so excellent! BTW On promod beta 2 note: I've always thought bots would own at it since they have auto-aim, and promod centers around keeping your aim (if you have ever seen a bot's aim in spec mode, it's VERY close and usually aims for the head). But it seems they keep their jitterbuggish personalities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 whenever i play agains a bot, it is just using lightning all the time:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted September 6, 2002 Author Share Posted September 6, 2002 Or mindtrick...over and over and over... :disaprove ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Spy Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 dont fight back if u grip them to death /Spy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Seriuosly if someone wants to make a Mod that makes the Bots act tough mean and fight like Demons I would be down with it. Have some programmed sayings like.. "You suck Noob, I'm a bot and I still owned your pathetic Human ass!!" Make them fight incredibly well and for the love of God make them aggressive!! I hate this backwards running lame bots we have now. I would like to see a team of Bots that could play CTF well and know how to play their positions, that would be great to practice with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 I can't remember the exact names because once I used them I didn't need them anymore, but there are two different BOT editing utilities at JKII.net and at JK2files. With them you can speed up their reflexes, agility, give them perfect aim and increase their hate factor which makes them very aggressive. I remade new bot files for all my favorite models and skins and have a nice collection of them that are much more aggressive and higher skilled. If you really want improved Bots to play against get the utilities and use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 The bots on JK2 are some of the crappiest I've ever seen. Quake2/3 had plenty of user made bots like the Eraser bot and Laker bot that really did fight pretty close to the way human opponents do. I'm surprised that after 90 million "My version of JK2" type mods no one has made some decent community made bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok The bots on JK2 are some of the crappiest I've ever seen. Quake2/3 had plenty of user made bots like the Eraser bot and Laker bot that really did fight pretty close to the way human opponents do. I'm surprised that after 90 million "My version of JK2" type mods no one has made some decent community made bots. Probably because the Bot maker is so easy to use and skins/models are to much a matter of preference. Here is the link to the botmaker utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Spy Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 I think its alot harder to write a bot for jk2 than it is for q2 or cs. I mean Point and shoot is alot easier to write than various combos with a lightsaber at different times....there would be a womp load of stuff to do to make a REALLY good jk2 bot and i dont think anyone is sad enough to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted September 10, 2002 Share Posted September 10, 2002 Well.. bots have waypoints... so they're gonna take that waypoint to get to you, in bespin, they won't jump that little lip.. they'll take the stairs :| The best way I see is to get in the middle of their path, and run into them, to get your sabers to touch, then generally the bot will make a brief assault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted September 10, 2002 Share Posted September 10, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Kaan Probably because the Bot maker is so easy to use and skins/models are to much a matter of preference. Here is the link to the botmaker utility. I got to check that out, I've always wanted a bot that does stuff humans do like saber throw+pull and the likes. Not sure if that app could accomplish that but it's a start. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 10, 2002 Share Posted September 10, 2002 Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok I got to check that out, I've always wanted a bot that does stuff humans do like saber throw+pull and the likes. Not sure if that app could accomplish that but it's a start. Thanks. The force powers and saber color are also things that can be set when making the bot. It is an easy interface....pretty much point and click. You can set up their powers just like you do for yourself for playing online. A few tips, Reflex is set to 500 as default, lower it to at least 300. Also give them perfect aim and a hate factor of 10, and of course ally them with no one. There are a few other things as well, but a little playing with the utility is all it takes. I have a few really tough bots, Vader, Maul, Wicked and Lord Rive. Be glad to email them to you to compare settings while learning the utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale7007 Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 bWahahhaa, asdadf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASk Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Umm...the basic behaviour of the bots can't be changed with the .bot and .jkb files. They are just a config which makes the bot prefer certain things over others, not change the way he fights. Unless you are willing to dig through about 600kb of AI code and rewrite it, with possible methods including neural networks (but that would require literally years of training), the basic behaviour of the bots will not change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 I understand bots are bound to using the bot routes, but that is a navigational thing for the maps. What I was talking about was making them more of a challenge when fighting. Ask....as to your statement the bots basic behavior cannot be changed....well, no you cant change the routes they take, but as far as their behavior goes, you could not be more wrong. Using the bot utility to make them better, I know for a fact bots can be vastly improved. You can design the bot to have any characteristics you want it to have, be 3x more aggressive, what strength in specific force powers and what weapons it uses the best. It's reflexes can be improved and it can be given perfect aim, which means it does not miss. I even made one bot an Absorb/Saber throw whore, to practice against for a certain reason. No, they are not perfect or like fighting a l337 human opponents, but they sure are a whole lot better than the out of the box bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASk Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Darth Kaan: The code determines the usage of the forces in various situations. The code determines when the bot uses a particular weapon (something like "if he is weak and up close, switch to bryar pistol" only far more expanded). The code determines how the bot swings the saber, how he blocks and when he blocks. The .jkb file only sets minor behaviors, the reaction time and the accuracy for example. But this won't make a bot to throw a saber and manipulate it for it to hit from behind. This won't make a bot fight any smarter..more lethal perhaps. The strategy of the fight can't be changed without modifying the source code...plenty of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Originally posted by ASk Darth Kaan: The code determines the usage of the forces in various situations. The code determines when the bot uses a particular weapon (something like "if he is weak and up close, switch to bryar pistol" only far more expanded). The code determines how the bot swings the saber, how he blocks and when he blocks. The .jkb file only sets minor behaviors, the reaction time and the accuracy for example. But this won't make a bot to throw a saber and manipulate it for it to hit from behind. This won't make a bot fight any smarter..more lethal perhaps. The strategy of the fight can't be changed without modifying the source code...plenty of it. Whatever. I think your being anal and reading way to much into this. Anyway, I KNOW the bot utility works and allows you to make bots that are way more of a challenge than the ones out of the box. It does allow you to choose what specific powers a bot uses, dark, light or neutral, what strength, their saber color, hate factor, reflex ratio, if they are al;igned with any other bot/character, perfect aim or not, regularity of their chat ability and a few other things. This all changes their basic behavior and I will keep using them (the enhanced ones) as will at least 30 others I know of. Have a nice day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 It says bot not defined when I tried to load my bot in game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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