Jah Warrior Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Yo swampsters, This may make no sense to some or indeed any of you, but hey who cares lets just say this is elaborate spam. I think about a lot of crazy sh!t, and as such I ponder a lot about travelling to other planets, is the universe infinite etc... I recently was thinking deeply about Time Travel, not least because I wouldnt mind undoing some of the stupid things I've done in my life. Naturally I was wondering if time travel will become possible in my lifetime, or indeed ever! So to find out if time travel was possible in my life time I devised an experiment. It only relates to whether or not I will ever experience time travel so if you want to try this for yourself you best reproduce the experiment for yourself. The steps of the experiment are as follows:- 1:- decide on a day, date and time that you would like to come back in time and meet yourself. 2:- Write down this date on a piece of paper and put it somewhere safe or beter still memorise it. 3:- now all you have to do is wait until this date and see if you meet your self. If you do not meet yourself then you know for a fact that you will not travel through time in your lifetime. I suggest a date close to now else you wil be waiting a long time to find out if it works. results:- Sadly it seems that I will never experience time travel, but that does not mean to say that you guys won't!!!. Any of you guys who try this let us know the results of your trip through time and any amusing stories or tales from you trip!!! Feel free to slate me for this insane idea, but do remember its only fun!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 i'm sorry, i don't really get your point: u have to set a date in the near future, and see if you meet yourself there? ow wait, now i see it, years later, if they have time travelling, you'll be going back and you'll see yourself, both ways, ow that's cool!great idea! but what if your not alowed to see yourself in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by kstar__2 but what if your not alowed to see yourself in the past? Then you're screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted October 1, 2002 Author Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by AB_Legion Then you're screwed Good point, but I dont see why invisibilty would be a requirement of Time Travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 *sighs*... I don't think he was talking about invisibility, most likely he was reffering to the fact that meeting yourself in the past might... get ugly so to say, so you would be forbidden to meet yourself o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted October 1, 2002 Author Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by AB_Legion *sighs*... I don't think he was talking about invisibility, most likely he was reffering to the fact that meeting yourself in the past might... get ugly so to say, so you would be forbidden to meet yourself o.O forbidden by who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 I don't know!! You're the one who came up with the frikin idea first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 its forbidden to change the intercourse of the past!!! keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Hmmmm....... damn. That's the kind of question (time travel issues) that always opens a new paradox. At first I thought of the problem of being "forbidden" as not being by a "who" but rather a "what." "who" assumes that there's some sort of commission/governing body that regulates and enforces time travel and will get into a whole different realm of questions. A "what" would indicate that one would be forbidden from interacting with oneself by some physical law. Perhaps something along the lines of the quantum mechanics paradox where you can observe light as exhibiting the behaviors of both a wave and a particle, but never both at the same time. I thought of something along the lines of "the same matter cannont occupy the same space.... etc." But this creates other paradoxes: what is defined as space? If it's a point on a map that coorelates to a point on the earth's surface, then we're talking about simple grid coordinates. But this doesn't work in space... these coordinates are only relative to our planet using some stationary reference point (magnetic north or established latitude/longitude, for example). This system really has NO bearing on space time. I can't imagine a stationary reference point with which to navigate from since the universe is in perpetual expansion. One would have to locate the exact center of the universe in order to be able to move about in space/time. Without this, one can only navigate in space. So... let's assume that this center was located: we're back to the same matter occupying the same space. Would one living body be the same set of atoms in, say, 20 years? Many cells would die, some would be replaced.... etc. I suppose that some of our molecules would have some atoms that would endure our lifetimes (if not most... I never was good at chemistry). So how close could one get to one's self before.... what? What could possibly happen? New Paradox :-) Perhaps it's a consciousness limitation. Science has not yet really put physical descriptors on our consciousness. Yet SOMEthing resides within us all.... a soul, random collection of thoughts that can make decisions/exhibit sentient behavior... whatever. Maybe THATS where the line is drawn. It seems clear that Jah is right. Time travel is not possible. I made a commitment to come back to this very moment and type a few words into the computer after leaving the room just to check same space deal..... (hmm. Did I originally put three or five periods?) Oops... sorry to ramble. Most of this was the thoughts as I was thinking about Jah's question. I think going forward in time will be much simpler than going back. In fact, I don't think going *back* in time is at all possible. In time, once you pass a mile marker, you can only proceed to the next. But perhaps one can *stop* or *slow* time... at least as it relates to oneself. Ha! I'm getting a headache... time for caffeine! Ciao Skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 *grabs cup of joe, boy this is gonna be a good read* :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted October 1, 2002 Author Share Posted October 1, 2002 Well i would normally quote but dear god thats a long post skin... I thought of another problem with time travel, If you went back in time it would alter the relative mass of the universe if only by a couple of hundred pounds or so, what would the implications of this be? everything in the universe exerpts gravity upon everything else in the universe, even if this gravitational pull is infinitessimal. My question is this:- would this gravitational side effect cause the universe to unravel thus destroying the space time continuum (damn I feel like Doc Brown from Back to the future). Or would it cause an alternative future to exist? Uh Oh Paradox Time again!!!! better stop there, I'm getting scared! oh yeah forgot what i was gionna quote!, yeah great points Skin you really know your sh!t manI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 You would never actually ever be able to meet yourself, because I believe there are infinite parallels of the same universe, and only one of you exists in each...that's the type of thing that hurts my head when I start thinking bout it:Dlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted October 1, 2002 Author Share Posted October 1, 2002 OK this is a post from my pal Steve, he couldnt resist jumping in on this discusiion!!! fire away steve:- to talk about true time travel you can achieve this with astral projection, this is when you force your astral spirit out of you body through self hypnosis. often you get pulled back quickly by what is known as the astral cord, you might recal lying in bed and suddenly feeling your body jolt, this is your cord pulling you back. when you die the cord is brocken and your spirit is released. when you are well practiced you can break the cord at will and travel about the astral plane (QUITE AN EXPERIENCE I CAN TELL YOU) BE SURE YOU ARE NOT DISTURBED AS THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR ASTRAL FORM TO BE PULLED AGAINST ITS WILL BACK INTO YOUR BODY AND CAN CAUSE MENTAL ILLNESS OR WORSE. if you want to know how to do it just ask i dare not tell all its dangerous and im a mental wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by SkinWalker I thought of something along the lines of "the same matter cannont occupy the same space.... etc." But this creates other paradoxes: what is defined as space? If it's a point on a map that coorelates to a point on the earth's surface, then we're talking about simple grid coordinates. But this doesn't work in space... these coordinates are only relative to our planet using some stationary reference point (magnetic north or established latitude/longitude, for example). This system really has NO bearing on space time. I can't imagine a stationary reference point with which to navigate from since the universe is in perpetual expansion. One would have to locate the exact center of the universe in order to be able to move about in space/time. Without this, one can only navigate in space. ok, what this law of physics (matter cannot occupy the same space) means is that you cannot put piece of matter into the same exact spot as another piece of matter...I shall illustrate this... if you place a solid box in the middle of a table, it is impossible to place anything else where that box is without moving the box first...you can place items on top or surrounding the box, but not in the same exact position. if you still don't understand Try this also, for amusement check out The Laws of Anime and The Cartoon Laws of Physics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 I think time travel already exists in a way. I believe we live out our lives over and over and over again, therefore what is being done now, will be done again. This answers alot of questions, deja vu, re-incarnation, Nostradamus, psychic's, to name but a few. Life is an endless circle of time, therefore there is no future and no past, just the here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 well, i don't know how it fits universal, but the reason why you can't see yourself: you would go look for that person the rest of your life, and you would go nuts, or you would not search him, and still go nuts, becouse of the creepy idea that there is someone just like you (not noing that it was in fact, YOU!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 I don't like the idea that everything is preordanied, that you could travel into the future and see yourself...because everything is all plannned out...I don't believe in fate, cos I hate the idea that I'm not in control of my life... ...and I know you all know exactly what I mean;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter I don't like the idea that everything is preordanied, that you could travel into the future and see yourself...because everything is all plannned out...I don't believe in fate, cos I hate the idea that I'm not in control of my life... ...and I know you all know exactly what I mean;) i don't really believe anything:D but if you go to the futere, there must be a future me of myself, that brings us on another great idea: if you go to the future, back to now, and again to the future, will the future be changed? that must be logical, you changed something in the past, so it changes in the future to, OR, fate doesn't exist, so everytime you visit future, it will be differend some new stuff to think about;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by kstar__2 i don't really believe anything:D but if you go to the futere, there must be a future me of myself, that brings us on another great idea: if you go to the future, back to now, and again to the future, will the future be changed? that must be logical, you changed something in the past, so it changes in the future to, OR, fate doesn't exist, so everytime you visit future, it will be differend some new stuff to think about;) I agree these things are very relevant...Newton proved the theory that every single object, particle, molecule that exists has an attraction on everything else...therefore if you went to the future, came back, something would have been effected by you're travel, and therefore it would be different in the future now... Personally I think that there can't be more than one of yourself, simply because by travelling into the future, you would have to go faster than the speed of light, and therefore you're body will always just be you, no other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter I agree these things are very relevant...Newton proved the theory that every single object, particle, molecule that exists has an attraction on everything else...therefore if you went to the future, came back, something would have been effected by you're travel, and therefore it would be different in the future now... Personally I think that there can't be more than one of yourself, simply because by travelling into the future, you would have to go faster than the speed of light, and therefore you're body will always just be you, no other... that's interesting 2, if you time travel, will you just grow old faster? instead of going back and forward as the same, will you be growing older and younger all the time? hmmmmm, interesting, yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Well I'm not sure...cos as you go past the speed of light (what scientists predict) time isn't speeding up for you, it is staying the same...like if you had a clock in the time travelling machine with you, the hands on the clock would not move, but just continue at the same speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter Well I'm not sure...cos as you go past the speed of light (what scientists predict) time isn't speeding up for you, it is staying the same...like if you had a clock in the time travelling machine with you, the hands on the clock would not move, but just continue at the same speed. wouldn't it be logic that they stopped just normaly, and what's with the speed of light, it isn't really a "centerpoint" is it? i mean, why can't an object fly faster then light, and why does it have to change time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Without any of the metaphysical mumbo jumbo, time travel (in reverse anyways) is currently impossible. Since matter cannot be created nor destroyed you can't appear into thin air 10 minutes in the past, much less materialize into space bieng occupied by other matter at that time. As you traver closer to the speed of light time will slow though, it is theoretically possible to travel into the future without having to create matter out of thin air. The catch to this is the time warping effect of near c velocities will negate if theres any kind of acceleration, this includes direction. So if you were to get into a magical spacecraft and head in a straight line at lets say .95c time would slow for you & when you decelerated to 0 you will have aged less than the world around you, but you will be quite far away from your starting point (traveling at .95c and all ). This also leaves you with no way to travel back to your beginning time since currently reverse time travel isnt possible. There will be a test on this next Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by NerfYoda Without any of the metaphysical mumbo jumbo, time travel (in reverse anyways) is currently impossible. Since matter cannot be created nor destroyed you can't appear into thin air 10 minutes in the past, much less materialize into space bieng occupied by other matter at that time. As you traver closer to the speed of light time will slow though, it is theoretically possible to travel into the future without having to create matter out of thin air. The catch to this is the time warping effect of near c velocities will negate if theres any kind of acceleration, this includes direction. So if you were to get into a magical spacecraft and head in a straight line at lets say .95c time would slow for you & when you decelerated to 0 you will have aged less than the world around you, but you will be quite far away from your starting point (traveling at .95c and all ). This also leaves you with no way to travel back to your beginning time since currently reverse time travel isnt possible. There will be a test on this next Thursday. wow, i'm suprised how much everybody knows about it, including me! that is so stupid: i can't remember my german, but i can remember all this! my brain is wacked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Okies, *cracks knuckles* Imagine time as being a cup a of tea that is being dropped. At the beginning of time, the tea was sitting on a table and when it started going, "time", the tea cup and it's contents began to fall off the table, the further it goes, the grander the state of disarray is and the more unsorted things are. The rate of that "decay" is time. If we could some how propel something/someone faster than that barrier, faster than light, they would "seperate" from this line of time and space. As an example, imagine two race cars, "Line's of time". They both start the race in the same lane and in the exact same place and position. "If that was possible. Just bare with me ;)". When they each start off they're even, but now imagine that one of them starts going much much faster than the other, and he jumps into a new "lane" on the track. Now that lead car, if he wanted to, could turn around and drive back to anywhere ahead of the other car that he wanted to, go back and be even with it or he could even drive back behind the other car. That's really dumbed down but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at. From that point of view, someone traveling such as that through space and time could have 100 chairs in a room and fill every single one of them by himself at the same "time" and could even carry on a conversation with himself. Space and time are connected. That's why something such as this could be done. We can never escape time. No one is ever going to "step out" of time, set back and watch everything unfold before him. Our universe is built on "time". Our very existance is built on "time". We can't exist in a state of non-disarray. Bending of time is currently already possible, as stated in other posts in this thread. We've done it plenty of times. We've placed atomic clock in crafts and had them flown at super speeds before, and sure enough, the times do change on the clocks. Even the speed at which we are currently traveling, "the rotation of the earth, it's orbit, etc..." effects what "time" is for us. I suggest reading the book, One Two Three ... Infinity by George Gamow. It may be hard to find now though seeing as how my copy is dated 1947. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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