Luc Solar Posted October 21, 2002 Author Share Posted October 21, 2002 Ummm...umm.... varium et mutabile semper femina ...? ... this thread is getting really weird... Loved the "STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE!"-stuff though Can't argue with that...and it works so well with other things as well: "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN [insert whatever you want here]! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 well back when you first goto primary school you learn the alphabet, the ah bi ci di eh fffff g, which makes more sense then you goto say ABCDEFG..... then it depends what letter is beside it, then if there's 2 of the same letter beside it and depending on the word then it's different again. So really just the letters it's beside and how many of the vowels so all of a sudden **** makes sense My post is so irrelevant it's great Ich weib deutsche Sprach nicht schlecht! edit- you can't say fcuk right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 English is a bit weird... They say it's one of the hardest languages to learn, I guess... I mean... it's so weird.. we have to take ENGLISH classes all through high school Note: *knows English class isn't so much a study of the language as it is a study of the actual application* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Luc Solar Ummm...umm.... varium et mutabile semper femina ...? ... this thread is getting really weird... Loved the "STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE!"-stuff though Can't argue with that...and it works so well with other things as well: "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN [insert whatever you want here]! I pride myself on being capricious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 wasn't there a thread about this last week? anyway just to join in, STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE, GEEZER! great stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by FatalStrike Fuera con tu idioma de idiotas. Nadie quiere aprender huevadas europeas que solamente se hablan en paises sin impotancia. ahh spanich class, how you havent failed me yet anywho, ill stick to yokel talk. (could be considered a new language) for instance, Yall fixin to get some kitsup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Yep, English is one of the most difficult languages to learn. I can't comment on other countries, but as far as the UK goes, it's children lag behind many other European countries in terms of getting to grips with your main/native language. And I mean they lag behind by a number of years, which is an obvious disadvantage in terms of academic achievement. Hardly surprising though, considering that it borrows words from so many other languages and cultures. There are so many words that simply sound the same...and so many of the words we have often have several different meanings dependent on context. As far as phonics goes...it just makes the whole thing even more confusing. I know. My eldest son was taught the alphabet phonically in school...and when he writes, he often writes words how they should sound, rather than how they are actually spelt. I'm spending considerable time sitting down with him trying to explain the differences, and why certain words are spelt differently to how they sound, and sometimes he finds it quite confusing. I was never taught phonically...and I find it easier to cope with weird spellings because I'm not bound by sounds. The funny thing is...we should probably go with phonic spelling, and adjust the language so that words are written phonically, rather than throwing in all these silent letters, variations of how letter combinations are pronounced, and all the other supersilious baggage tied to pronunciation. Of course, increasing the number of words, and decreasing the number of meanings tied to individual words would also be a marked improvement. I know, for instance, that in at least one of the European countries, they have many different words for different types of snow or ice. They are more specific, rather than generalised, like most of our English words. The only problem with that idea is that we have so many damned words already. Life was so much easier when we all just used to grunt and point, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 what i want to know is who can translate my hick talk of Yall fixin to get some kitsup? into english (no americans from the south) /edit how does the phonetical method apply to phoneics?(sp?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dath Maximus what i want to know is who can translate my hick talk of Yall fixin to get some kitsup? into english (no americans from the south) it sounds like an updated 'you're cruising for a bruising', that sort of thing, or like the english say, 'you wantsum?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 no thats not what it means, its non-violent it involves food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dath Maximus no thats not what it means, its non-violent it involves food would you like some ketchup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 sorta it actually means Are you all going to get some ketchup? ahh the south, where entire converstations can be held without any real words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted October 22, 2002 Author Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by StormHammer The funny thing is...we should probably go with phonic spelling, and adjust the language so that words are written phonically, rather than throwing in all these silent letters, variations of how letter combinations are pronounced, and all the other supersilious baggage tied to pronunciation. ...in at least one of the European countries, they have many different words for different types of snow or ice. The only problem with that idea is that we have so many damned words already. Oh wow. Someone totally agreeing with me even though my post could have been seen as slightly provokative Phonic spelling... the question is: why the hell not?! Answer: 'cause we're used to doing it this way. It's always been done like this. It's the same thing as with keyboards. The QWERTY-system was created during the times when people wrote with those monstruous old typewriters that got stuck constantly. The QWERTY-system was created, so that the most used letters would be as far away from each other as possible (and thus harder to use, slower to type) in order to prevent the machines from getting screwed up. So basically our system is the worst they could think of in terms of "easy and fast typing". We're still using QWERTY (although I hear some countries have been experimenting on different settings too...France?). That's just sick, just like most the stuff you see when visiting England...starting with people driving in the wrong direction. (got to keep the flames going ) As for words for snow & ice ---> I think the Inuits have about 300 of them! But there's no problem with lots of words is there? Learning the meaning of some new spesific term is just cool, it adds more depth to language. Not quite comparable to the "articulation-lottery" that's going on at present. And you know....some people even study foreign languages...and in those cases *every* word is a new one, that needs to be learned Need to end this now. Planning on making a new, much more provokative thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Prime examples of why English is so hard for people to learn it: Two, too, to (all sound the same) Thorough, thought, though (all sound completely different, even though they all use the sort of letters) Well that's my input done...I'm too tired to think of anymore:(lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtroop Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 umm i dont really think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 LOL - Luc, if you think english doesn't make any sense, you should try doing some Danish: Dette er en fuldstændig håbløst forkludret tekst, kun lavet for at irritere dem som ikke selv kan dansk. Men, dertil skal den også vise nogle af de sproglige problemer i dansk, som for eksempel: at gå, jeg går, jeg gik - at drage, jeg drog og så videre. Hvis ikke disse uregelmæssige verber er nok til at skræmme dig væk fra sproget, kan jeg jo altid hive lidt utalelsesmæssige genvordigheder frem: gade, hvidst, grundsøvold eks. Virkelig dog, udtalen er som regel det mindre problem i forhold til uregelmæssighed i sprogets opbygning. Hope any of you nordmænd understood some of that gibberiz. The pronounciation is the lesser evil compared to "irregular verbs" (sp?), which there is a ton of, in Danish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 I am really amazing jais that you can speak two different languages so fluently...it's really amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter I am really amazing jais that you can speak two different languages so fluently...it's really amazing... fluently you say!?! LOL - I just discovered I made a boatload of typos and errors in the Danish text, none of which you noticed, of course hehehehehe.... But really, Danish is my "modersmål" (native language), so it's no big feat to speak that well.... However, understanding that norwegian nonsense above is another matter altogether LOL! And also, I'm far from speaking english as well as I write it, something that's not always evident when seeing geeks do some fine 'n mighty english on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Well, if you write this well in English, you must speak it pretty good too...hell, you even type it better than me:lol:lol I always thought that English would be the hardest language for any foriegner, because it is not a language in it's self. It is just a complilation of snippets of other languages, with some new found snazzy words like codswapple and fiddlestick (haha:D)...so I admire anyone who does not live in an English speaking country/society and can speak it well:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb. Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk. Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o. Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter Well, if you write this well in English, you must speak it pretty good too...hell, you even type it better than me:lol:lol I always thought that English would be the hardest language for any foriegner, because it is not a language in it's self. It is just a complilation of snippets of other languages, with some new found snazzy words like codswapple and fiddlestick (haha:D)...so I admire anyone who does not live in an English speaking country/society and can speak it well:) That's what I thought, you have never tried to learn German... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb. Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk. Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o. Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der . Jeg er enig med dig, og jeg er endnu ikke stødt på et sprog som ikke havde uregelmæssige verber, selv latin har nogle ret slemme nogle. De du nævner med nynorsk, skyldes det at "bognorsk" minder om dansk, og nynorsk er en "forsvenskning" (minder om svensk ) af originalt norsk, eller er jeg fuldstændig galt på den her? Det med o, a og å kan sammenlignes med det som Luc skrev i sit topic: at på engelsk bliver vokalerne radikalt anderledes hvis de sættes foran besteme konsonanter: f.eks. bliver a'et i "awe" udtalt som "orrr" (som i orc, hehe) i stedet for "ahve" (eller sådan noget LOL). Jeg tror alle sprog også til dels har visse ord hvor vokalerne ændrer form. At tale et sporg som næsten ingen i verden forstår kan være meget fedt, men problemet er selvfølgelig at man bliver nødt til at lære fremmedsprog meget hurtigt hvis du vil tale med folk fra andre lande.... Og dansk har også sine dialekt-problemer, prøv fx at tage til sydjylland og forstå noget some helst dér!!! De taler næsten fuldstændig tysk!! aaaargh! PS: "Tulling", WTF IS THAT!!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtroop Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 ahhhhhhh i dont understand this strange laungaugeLOL!! I think its quite cool to learn two laungauges deffintley if its a cool one which many poeple use for example:English And lucasforums i just noticed somehting there is smiles normal ones which most forums have but you dont have many moving ones like it.Umm stsrnge i think im correct anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarlacc Food Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb. Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk. Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o. Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der . DU ER NORSK FOR FAEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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