Girls, Girls, Girls...

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

Well, heres my ideal girl...which I am currently with . She is 5'7" with those sexy honey brown eyes. Shes hispanic with a nice shape. The cutest face I've ever seen. Her personality is the best. She listens, understands, shes sweet, and she likes romantic guys with a little bit of spice. She is also one of those kind who wants to get married after she gets her education...like me. And she does not, under any circumstances, believe in sex before marriage. Which I think is the way it should be. Cuz I'm Catholic.

[Marth]

that is now just wait till she gets "Better Friends" and starts blowing you off

[Taos]

Originally posted by HekxNoxu

Best.Thread.Ever.

 

(Yes, yet another pointless post by me.)

 

I won't contribute to this discussion.

 

 

 

Thanks for not contributing.....

 

 

 

 

 

What does it for me (like ET W) is a girls smile! I can tell a lot about a girl by their smile (at least I think I can!). My gf just has a beautiful smile and it always makes me happy when she does it!

[ZePhyR]

Looks Wise...

I usually like tall (not too tall) blondes in general. I like eyes and smiles first of all. The face is probably the most important thing. A girl could have a killer body, but if her face isn't attractive, I'm not interested. Chest isn't all that imporant to me really. There should be a little bit there, but if they're way too big, that's gross too. I like long, tan legs. I like how most girls have small soft hands, and cute feet too.

 

Personality Wise...

They can't be a complete mother of a dog. I dunno why, but I'm naturally attracted to the cute, preppy, *itchy (lack for a better term) girls. I like girls that I can talk to and trust, and girls that trust and like to talk to you as well. They should be kind, caring, outgoing.

 

Other things...

Should be a Christian girl. That's important to me. Should be conservative. I like girly clothes, but not sleezy clothes.

 

Theres lots of other things too, but I think this is enough for now anyway.

[Luc Solar]

No sex before getting married?

 

 

Ugh! Can't understand why that old rule is still alive despite the fact that we came up with condoms, pills and such.

 

Every "rule" has it's point, it's ratio . The "No sex before marriage"-rule has lost it's ratio a loooong time ago.

 

One has to ask "why?". And don't give me the good old "'cause it's in the Bible"- argument. A rule is a rule no matter who said it and/or where.

 

I just got back from my honeymoon. "Saving yourself" for marriage is a sweet idea, but.... really, guys...sex is for fun. Sex does not = love...it's merely a way to express feelings/love.

 

I hate to say this, but: "The First Time" is rarely good. It's usually pretty bad, almost horrible...for the woman at least. I'd save that experience for some other time than your wedding night. I'm not even going to mention all the blood and stuff..

 

Not having sex before marriage... it's just like saying: I won't eat ice cream untill I turn 50. Boy will it taste great when I finally get to taste it!" Makes no sense to me.

 

Why not enjoy yourself? It's fun. And practise makes perfect. But if you'd rather spend your honeymoon figuring 'where the hell to stick this thing', then....more power to you.

 

The no sex before marriage rule is passé.

 

Ok, flamers ready: 3.......2.............1...........GO!

[Darth Dooku]

As long as everything is fairly good and they have a good personality, I don't really care!!

[Darklighter]

Originally posted by Chewbacco

But girls do go for tallness, thats a fact. They don't really go for it, it just that tallness helps. And social skills or Charisma is a must.

 

I agree totally with all of those things...charisma is needed to ask girls out (getting someone else to do it for you is just pathetic lol), and I guess girls like guys taller than them, as someone to protect them.

[obi]

Well, Luc, I am going to use the old "in the bible" excuse. To me, it's the best excuse to have, if you need an excuse.I am a christian, and I am proud of it. The Bible says to not practice the ways of pagan; Lust, lie, etc.

 

 

 

That's my story, I'm stickin to it.

 

BTW, Sex has nothing to do with ice-cream. I have no idea why you even had that as an example.

 

 

"I won't eat ice cream untill I turn 50. Boy will it taste great when I finally get to taste it!"

 

 

 

You know, sex is not everything. If it is your main goal, to have sex, that is sad. A person may marry another person for love, you know, and not just to have sex with her/him.

[Qui-GONE Jinn]

Obiwan13...the ways of pagan, lust, lie etc..? Can you tell me that you do not lie sometimes?

 

The point in your last post is that you strive to be a good person, even though you lie and experience "lust" sometimes, (don't tell me you don't) right? And the bible does give us ideals of how we can be good persons. However, the thing you must take into consideration is, that these texts are 2000 years old, and it's 2000 years old ideals that we read about in them. I think it's in place to use some personal judgement in these cases.

As I see it, you view sex as something pagan, sinful, animal-like and in a way "subhuman", except when we are talking about "married-sex". I cannot agree with this..

 

You know, sex is not everything. If it is your main goal, to have sex, that is sad. A person may marry another person for love, you know, and not just to have sex with her/him.

 

What is sex, if not a way to express your love for another person? Of course, it is used in a negative way, as in prostitution etc., but sex is something wonderful to be shared between two people who love each other. Does true loving, loving that legalizes sex, only start when the wedding-sermon is over? I think not. No one marries another person to have sex with her/him, sex is just a beautiful means of expressing your love

for the other.

 

You know, through the ages sex has been viewed in several different ways. Back in the antique Greek, sex between men was viewed as something "cleaner" and better than sex between a man and a woman, because the female was consider inferior to the man. In the 1700ds, sex between men was punished with death. So you see the views upon sex has changed much, like cultures and social environments change.

[obi]

You have some good points, Qui.

 

 

I never said I viewed sex as subhuman, or even wrong, but lust is. Two things that can ruin the mind, and the way it works, are lust and greed. They corrupt.As for me ever lusting, well, no one is perfect, be we can try to be. And I admit, I have lied in the past, but I try not to. I haven't lied in a very long time(no, no lie there either). The Bible also says that God forgives us for our sins, however, and you can have a clean slate to try over again.

 

Anyway, everyone has their own views on the matter.

 

edit- btw, it's nice to see you can actually still have a friendly debate on these forums nowadays.

[Luc Solar]

Btw - that thing about ice cream..

 

What I meant was: sex is fun and it doesn't cost a dime. Why not have it? Why wait 50 years to have your first ice cream when you could be enjoying them every day? You'll just miss out on all the yummy ice creams and probably mess up your new shirt on your 50th birthday because you were not used to eating ice cream.

Umm.. I'm sure you know what I mean..

 

 

Hmm, wait: by "sex", do you mean intercourse alone or fooling around in general? I don't see any difference.. I mean, I consider intercourse as one of the non-filthy, not-so-sinful acts...compared to some other stuff that sometimes goes on

 

Did the Bible put a ban on fooling around or just "entering"? Makes no sense to me. The only difference really is that as a result of intercourse, the woman might get pregnant --> But with all the condoms and pills etc. that we have, this point is kinda irrelevant.

 

Reasons why to have sex:

 

1) Its fun.

2) You get better at it through practise, which makes it even more fun.

3) It's really, really fun.

 

 

The reason, the ratio behind the "thou shalt not have sex until you're married"-rule is pretty clear --> attempt to avoid unwanted pregnancies & 'doing it' before you're old enough to deal with these things.

I do not believe that the reason is "just because I say so".

 

When rules don't make sense either a) you're too dumb to get it or b) the rule suXXors.

 

In this case I'd go with B.

 

BUT: if having sex before marriage would mentally destroy you and everything you believe in...why on earth would you have it? You do exactly what makes you feel good about yourself.

 

Personally, I think not having sex is a waste and risky.. and possibly results in a lot of complications... But that's just me. To each their own.

 

(by complications I mean f.ex:

 

* You notice that you love/hate different things.

 

* You realize that the other can't/won't fulfill your needs.

 

* the other one is simply too small/big making things non-enjoyable even though you both feel sex is a major part of the relationship and you can't live happily without it.

 

* your wedding night is a nightmare.

 

* etc.)

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

Hey look..we should respect everyones ideas here...i think that following Gods ways is good...but I still have temptations dont get me wrong...I am 17 you know.....sex before marriage is shown as OK in our society...but its really not. Thats what I think. I mean come on...sex is not a sport...it's a sign of unity and love for each other..if you're running around screwing girl after girl...it has no meaning. I'm sorry, I'm no goody good or anything, but when it comes to obeying what God thinks...I try. For us Christians, its not easy defending our values. One reason is that we are taught that abortion and premarital sex is wrong. But then in our society, abortion is legal and sex before marriage is commonplace. So what are we to do about it?

[Taos]

Who knew that this thread would evolve and start a discussion about sex before marriage and other related topics????? I sure didn't.....I though that it would be locked within minutes. This is surprising.

 

 

There has been talk about not enough intellegent discussion around here, but I think this qualifies.

 

 

 

If only ppl don't start flaming each other over their own personal beliefs.......

 

85 is exactly right, it's all about respect.

 

[Pedantic]

Originally posted by Luc Solar

* your wedding night is a nightmare.

 

If two people are really in love and they get married, then the other's sexual "expertise" should not matter.

[acdcfanbill]

Very true Pedantic, now all of you try to keep it a little more on topic if possible please...

[ZePhyR]

Damn, this thread is cool. I am a Christian, and I like the point that was made about it is hard defending our values in todays society. For example, the new movie Jackass is out, I've read reviews becuz a couple of friends wanted me to go see it with them today, but I didnt go becuz I felt that by going to movie, I'm giving my money to the people that made it, and therefore supporting this nonsense. The popularity of this movie is a sign that the end of the world is coming soon, which is a sad thing. However, being a teenager and a Christian, it is tough not to think about the opposite sex, oh, say every 3 seconds or so. I agree that it is a good thing to save yourself until marriage, but does anybody really do it anymore? I get so much crap from all of my buddies for being 17 years old and a virgin, and so it is almost a burden not to have done it. Man, if a hot girl I liked just came up to me and told me to take her, I'm not so sure I wouldn't be able to resist.

[Taos]

Hey man, I look back and I wish I would have waited for it to be with someone I thought was special. I, like you, was getting crap from my friends and I just did it with this dumb girl. Anyways, if you don't want to do it.......well, then don't. My advice is save your first experience for someone you care about.....but make sure she feels the same way about you first!

[Luc Solar]

Let me clarify some of what I said earlier.

IMHO:

 

 

* If two people are ready for sex and want to do it, I do not see any reason why not to. The point that the Bible tries to make is not relevant anymore.

 

(Btw - all you christians [Yes, I'm christian too) : go grab the Old Testament and start reading from the beginning. Skip Deuteronomium because it is boring as hell, but otherwise...read it. I promise you that you will be shocked. Makes you wonder who came up with this whole "kind, loving and forgiving God"-stuff in the first place. The Old Testament God seems pretty vengeful and likes it when people slit the throats of lambs and spill the blood around on nice golden trinkets. My point? --> don't take everything so literally.)

 

* No-one should ever have sex without wanting it. Friends pressuring you is not the right reason for doing it with some "dumb" girl. This, however is not the issue.

 

* When I say "go, have sex", I presuppose that all's well. --> If everything else is cool and okay, I think people should have sex, simply because it is fun period

 

* There is a difference between making a personal decision ("I feel better if I save myself for marriage, I don't want to have sex before that") and trying to bang people who have premarital sex on the head with a bible.

 

I just got married. ( ) Lot's of folks attended the wedding. A lot of old people with different believes. One thought it was discraceful to dance on your wedding day, because the Bible says so. Another thought it was discraful that a bride wears a wedding dress that exposes her shoulders or her back. Half of the people there never ever drink alcohol; it is against their religion. Some people, including the bride and groom felt very strongly about the wedding waltz.. we felt it is a part of a marriage. And personally, I think alcohol is a somewhat significant factor, when considering the party that night. Anyways...(I won't ramble anymore) my point is this: There is no problem as long as people accept that others simply have different views. Everyone makes their own set of rules.

 

Leemu Taos said it well:

My advice is save your first experience for someone you care about.....but make sure she feels the same way about you first!

 

I do not think, however, that the Bible overrides the feelings of two people.

What the Bible imho says is: be careful, use protection, be sure you're both ready for it.

 

Two people don't have sex because they're married. They don't stay together because they wear a ring. They won't love each other because they have made the vows. The binding force is not in the priest's "Amen".

 

In short: It's all in your head. That is what counts, not symbolism.

[Redwing]

Luc, you're wrong about sex not costing a thing...it carries all kinds of emotions with it. ^_^;

 

I agree with the no-premarital-sex thingy. ^.^ However I don't mean marriage like the government-sanctioned Ceremony. By "marriage" here I mean a committed relationship. The things that hurt if you break them.

 

What you said, Luc:

Two people don't have sex because they're married. They don't stay together because they wear a ring. They won't love each other because they have made the vows. The binding force is not in the priest's "Amen".

 

The binding force is what defines marriage...and without that IMHO sex is generally wrong. Meaningless, just another person using another person's body for a fun time, or contract an STD. ^.^;

 

One thought it was discraceful to dance on your wedding day, because the Bible says so.

 

mmmm? It does? I don't remember ^.^

 

I have read the whole Bible, and there was a reason behind everything. Lambs were killed to atone for sins. No longer because Jesus took care of that. Other peoples were killed because if the Israelites hadn't killed them, they would have been exterminated or turned away from God (in God's eyes, the same thing). Sure they horrify us now, but now we have other ways of doing things that back then didn't exist. ^^

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

i have to say that if people dont have values, they dont have anything to believe in when they need it...then, when you grow up enough to find out that women are making decisions based on what men hold as valuable, all those sex loving premaritals out there will be out of luck..the only women that will have them are the ones taking money. In the end, even though some like Luc may say that the value of sex after marriage is ridiculous and out of style, it still has meaning for some of us.

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by Redwing

Luc, you're wrong about sex not costing a thing...it carries all kinds of emotions with it. ^_^;

 

By "marriage" here I mean a committed relationship. The things that hurt if you break them.

 

The binding force is what defines marriage...and without that IMHO sex is generally wrong. Meaningless, just another person using another person's body for a fun time, or contract an STD.

 

Uh...I probably should quote all my previous posts so that I wouldn't have to repeat myself so much

 

I meant "cost" as in "money".

 

As I said before, when I go :"sex is okay", I presuppose that all's well >> They're both old enough, have feelings for each other etc. etc.

 

I do not see marriage as the act of commitment. I see it only as a symbol of the commitment you already have made to each other. To me that's really all there is to it considering the relationship inter partes alone (leaving God and blessings etc. out of this for now).

 

I made my decision about 7 years ago. No priest or marriage or vow can change that in any way. And if "it isn't there", it just isn't..despite of ceremonies and such.

 

The only thing that might change anything is a child. Marriage alone is nothing but a hinder if things don't work out.

 

And values...well... I got plenty. But I've chosen my own values. I don't read them from a book.

 

And the Bible is not one of the easiest books to read. It itself says that people have messed with it (meaning that what it says is not always "gods own words", but lies made up by people.) and it contains lots of factual errors too. The Bible can be interpreted in so many ways that it's not even funny.

I bet you could find a dozen verses there that could be seen as pro-pedophilia arguments, if you just looked hard enough.

 

even though some like Luc may say that the value of sex after marriage is ridiculous and out of style, it still has meaning for some of us.

 

Yes. As I said earlier:

BUT: if having sex before marriage would mentally destroy you and everything you believe in...why on earth would you have it? You do exactly what makes you feel good about yourself.

 

No problems arise unless people start banging others on the head with a Bible or refuse to respect other's believes.

[Surfnshannon]

OKAY I'm going to interject here. In hopes that maybe I will give some good advice and do that without getting to personal. Please do not flame me or my values. Remember everybody has their own opinion. But speaking...as a girl...and speaking as someone who isn't married and having a baby. Let me shed some light on this discussion.

 

I once to believed in saving myself. Then I met Prince Charming and well you know the rest. We have been together for 3 years now and known eachother several months before that. Sex is a desicion that you *both* must decide on. If someone in the relationship wants to wait. You respect that and you wait. If you two decide that isn't what either of you want to do. Then you must act responsibly. Sex is a decision that is going to effect the rest of your entire life. Whether you know it now or not. Sex includes so much responsibilty. As much for the guy as the girl. Even if you *THINK* you are prepared...trust me when the pregnancy test comes out positive...all *preparedness* goes out the window and then the hard decisions are made. Luckily I am in a serious relationship. We have decided to get married, we were giong to anyways. There is a lot of PRESSURE from Parents and family and People who frown upon the fact that we are having a baby out of wedlock. Yes even my boyfriends parents wanted us to give the baby up. Well neither of us two wanted to do that. We love eachother and know that we are the ones for eachother.

BUT ITS STILL HARD. Here I am 23 almost, I am so sick from being pregnant I had to quit College. My boyfriend can't get the brand new truck he always wanted for graduation. He is having to sell his classic car. You have to give up SOOO MUCH. You never even dreamed of. Even if people tell you this, you won't believe it till it actually happens. I want a PS2...but there are going to be diapers to buy and a baby to watch. Will I have time to play games...I don't know.

 

I don't know what I am trying to get across here. I'm just saying. Even if you two are the most responsible people in the world, you make the choice to have sex responsibly, you love eachother UNBELIEVABLY. You still are never prepared as single *young* people the responsibilty that comes along with having sex.

 

This was in a relationship that is 3 years into the running. I know someone who got their girlfriend pregnant after seeing eachother 2 months! You're entire world changes. Support systems change. How would your parents feel when you have to tell them your going to have a baby??? Trust me its a tearful experience and one I would have rather had be a Joyfilled one.

 

Just think about what you want in life. Can you handle all the things that I've said? Parent ridiculing you, maybe not supporting you, maybe your girlfriend will want an abortion and you dont?? You guys are men, most of you christian...some places the men have no say if the girl wants to get rid of the baby! What if you are forced to marry someone you don't want. Or you decide to give the baby up - and you have to live with knowing someone out there is your kid!

 

Gosh I have gone off topic. Just make responsible choices. Be careful what you say because it may just happen to you, there are no gaurentees in life. Nothing is a *sure* thing.

 

Okay I'm done ranting.

[Luc Solar]

Yea! What she said!

 

....I think.

[Luc Solar]

Heeeyy.... I just noticed what this thread was about!

 

I like tiny, cute, perky, athletic brunettes.

 

Wait a minute.... OMG! I got one! Yay!

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

Hey I didnt know that there was a girl on these forums..lol.