Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 right gone while it is true that u only need 1 thing to prove a theory wrong if u have a massive weight of evidence (which we have for evolution) and u find sumthing that doesnt fit ... they theory is not likely to be completely wrong .... it probably just needs tweaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 If you "tweak" a theory, then you really create a new one, just to fit the image that you want to have. It's really not evidence then, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CagedCrado Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Theories are to be manipulated and edited at will, thats why they are theories and not laws, you are thinking laws qui. If one thing is proven wrong in a theory it is changed or adapted, unless it is a mega thing that is proven wrong (such as finding out what triggered the big bang theory would make the god ideology obsolete [sorry im not helping the cause but its true]), little things being proven wrong, it dosent matter it is just changed, big things will bring theories down though. (such as if a space craft actually found heaven) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Ok it’s this simple... I wont go into all the ways I can prove Evolution wrong, because no matter what I or any other Creationist say you will look at it with a Negative view therefore getting a Negative out-come - This is the ZDawg Signing out Good luck to anyone who wishes to prove you wrong/right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 this is bound to become a flame war, so i might as well put my $.02 in. The only thing that evolves is our way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg I'm not narrow minded, I believe in many possibilities... but this isn’t one. I find it funny that you guys keep calling us Christians narrow minded and yet your stuck on the fact that evolution is FACT and our Religion is not. Without wrong there would be no right. When we die or the earth ends we will just see who is wrong/right… But until than we all choose our paths of life and mine certainly won’t be spent wondering how I got here or trying to prove it. I'm not calling you narrow minded, I'm just saying you should be careful of using the word "impossible". God isn't impossible at all - but all evidence points toward that some higher power did not create the earth. There's a difference between saying something is a FACT, and saying something is a TRUTH. Fact is scientifically documented, but science does not speak about truth, science speak about what can be detected. Religion speak about some higher truth - science asks how, religion asks why. By all means, don't stop believing in Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 take the theory that the earth is flat It is flat ... i can see its flat ... isnt that great .... next theory then .... sum1 sails to the edge and fails miserably at falling off and they suggest its round and this is evidence new theory argued lots but gradually accepted we goto space ... see world .... have proof --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is true of evolution ... we have tons of evidence for it ... and little or none against ... theres no reason NOT to believe it ... if sum1 gives me convincing evidence otherwise i may change my mind i may have used proof in some of my posts wrongly ... we dont have proof of evolution ... we just have £%$"^ lots of evidence ___________________________________________________ Zdawg id like to hear ur proof otherwise ... i may not agree .... but id like to hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 No, really I mean theory, and the way some people perceive theories as proof.. damn, I'm tired now! It's 3 in the night here in Norway, and I've had a bloody long day. miss my gf already.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 its 2 am here and i miss HAVING a GF its been too long oh well Gone - proof is not defined ... its only the minimum level that you will believe some people took sailing round the world as proof ... whilst others required more maybe some require more than space photos ... maybe they need to see it with theyre own eyes proof is not a definitive word .... it is only "prooved" when its widely accepted but as 1 of the quotes said "if a million people say a foolish thing ... it is still a foolish thing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by Clem but as 1 of the quotes said "if a million people say a foolish thing ... it is still a foolish thing" Or: "How many legs does a dog have, if you say the tail is a leg? Four, the tail still isn't a leg". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Hehe, well you know I could technically prove that you were a rooster or something, just by delivering similarities between you and a rooster, for example.. anyone read Holberg's "Erasmus Montanus"? It's kinda related to that topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by Qui-GONE Jinn Hehe, well you know I could technically prove that you were a rooster or something, just by delivering similarities between you and a rooster, for example.. anyone read Holberg's "Erasmus Montanus"? It's kinda related to that topic... Holberg We could argue if he's Danish or Norwegian too, hehehe.... Well, thanks for proving my point any way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 right ... we cant prove nething ... just provide convincing evidence Science does it for me 1 last point i will make if u choose to believe in religion or science ... it must be because this suits YOU ... not yer parents or yer school thats when it really pisses me off ... when sum1 says science is all rubbish and god created all ... then cant back it up with ne knowledge whatsoever which leads to my next thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 You're very welcome... Jeez, I'm too tired now. Got a whole hell of work to do tomorrow as well. And on top of that, I won't see my gf again until Monday! what a miserable existence... I want to sleep Wasn't Holberg Danish? I haven't really gotten into that part of it, so I won't be able to argue any side of the case! Anyhow, I'm off to bed. See you all later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by cjais Holberg We could argue if he's Danish or Norwegian too, hehehe.... Well, thanks for proving my point any way.... Ludvig Holberg was born and grew up in Bergen, and was therefore Norwegian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Gee, thanks! I didn't know! good on ya! But as I said, I'm gone. Goodnight, all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Ludvig Holberg was born and grew up in Bergen, and was therefore Norwegian! During the time of Holberg, Norway was being ruled by Denmark. He moved to Denmark when he was around 20 years old. His views on nature are pretty fooked up though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by cjais During the time of Holberg, Norway was being ruled by Denmark. He moved to Denmark when he was around 20 years old. His views on nature are pretty fooked up though Wrong, he moved to Denmark when he was 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Wrong, he moved to Denmark when he was 34. Darn it! Oh well, thanks for info.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Yoda85 I can't wait till all you atheists are facing judgement day...where will your precious science be then? We shall see.... BTW its : Haduken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Torque Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by JediNyt Look if God wanted everyone to believe in "him" why not let everyone know "he" exists? Give everyone the chance to believe. Let them know. If they know then maybe theyll belive. If theres no proof then dont be surprised people are sceptical. If God is all knowing and all powerful, let us know! What about some of those Bhuddist monks who are very peaceful and caring? "Respect all living things." they say. Well too bad they dont believe in God so theyre going to hell. As I said Im not all for Darwin either. His theory is full of holes too. You are wrong in some cases see i beleive that jesus ras real because i am a christian. God did let us now he existed throught the bible and he sent jesus down to spread the WORD OF GOD see so really he did tell us about him more than we needed to beleive but some people didnt beleive. Also Buddhist Monks. They think of stuff like "I use the power and energy to feul my karate skills then i restore it back into mother earth. Well who created energy who created the Buddha Who created the Monks ancestors. See there is a whole noter picture you havent seen. Who started the Big Bang, Who made the space for the Big Bang to occur,How do you know the big bang really existed,Did little monkeys make it?NO i didnt think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by Clem Evolution Darwinism IS correct we evolved from monkeys we share 99.9% of our genes with them (not 86 whoever said that) we share about 80 or 90% with a banana btw. this all came from proteins which were floating about and happened to make some single cell organisms (im not entirely sure how this works .... im only 17 FFS) to the person who says we stopped evolving .... WE HAVENT ... on average we are alot taller than people in the 17th 18th and 19th centuries (and all the others 2) we KNOW this ... this is us evolving its not a quick process. Proof of evolution Bacteria ... viruses the like .... they procreate so quickly they have many generations in a day ... this enables them to evolve in a matter of months ... they evolve to be resistant to drugs. Big Bang Right ... we know this happened ... we can see it we can prove that the universe is expanding from a single point. ask me if u want me to explain how its a bit long winded and my fingers are falling off Before the big bang there is room for argument .... this is the only point i could conceed that a god could exist if u believe in a god thats ok ... u may be right ... but i cant go with that ... religion requires me to believe blindly ... science provides me with proof and talks me thru it till it makes sense i know which 1 i go with edit: science (or logic) also explains the origin of religion humans do not like the idea that they have no real purpose ... that when they die ... they cease to exist. Also alot of people think "why am i here". religion provides answers to these problems but now science has come along (it takes time to develop stuff) and is providing us with evidence and proof which added to a little logic gives us the answers. its the natural succesor to religion (dont flame me for that) First where have you been? The big band theory has been thrown out 4-10 years ago. If you are going to defend evolution you better be up to date. And where is your proof? I don't see any. So far it is disproven by science. we have tons of evidence for it So where is it? You say you have proof, but I have yet to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider First where have you been? The big band theory has been thrown out 4-10 years ago. Then why was my science teacher talking about the big bang..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 mods, close this thread, it's going to make me bypass the censor and say some necessary words... evolutionists need to evolve themselves a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 You are wrong in some cases see i beleive that jesus ras real because i am a christian. God did let us now he existed throught the bible and he sent jesus down to spread the WORD OF GOD see so really he did tell us about him more than we needed to beleive but some people didnt beleive. Ok....let me give you something... Let's say about 2000 years ago I make a book. It's called,the rible. I am trying to get some power. So I make a book. It's called the rible. So I make it. And people started to believe in it. Now I have some power. So blah blah blah, I died. But people still kept believing in the rible. That could be of the Bible. Also, who's to say your god is the right god? Cant the greek,egyptian, norse, islamic, or sumerarian god(s) be the true god(s)? They have as much proof as each other. Christianity is only popular because the english and spanish went on crusades,inquisitions, and journeys to spread it. Also Buddhist Monks. They think of stuff like "I use the power and energy to feul my karate skills then i restore it back into mother earth. Well who created energy who created the Buddha Who created the Monks ancestors. See there is a whole noter picture you havent seen. Who started the Big Bang, Who made the space for the Big Bang to occur,How do you know the big bang really existed,Did little monkeys make it?NO i didnt think so Then who made that god? then who made that god? Then who made that god? then who made that god? Then who made that god? then who made that god? Then who made that god? then who made that god? Then who made that god? then who made that god?Then who made that god? then who made that god?Then who made that god? then who made that god?Then who made that god? then who made that god?Then who made that god? then who made that god? See where I am getting at? You could go on and on. I try not to think of that though. It's hurts my head:D Rogue15- And thesist need to stop thinking Mr. God is the be-all-and-end-all solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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