Kazaa...the real great Satan

[Kylilin]

I was just reading one of the locked threads, which was locked because someone posted a link to d/l kazaa. My question, is it so bad that the very mention of the word "warez" causes everyone to shudder? I thought this was America, and we can talk about whatever we want, as long as it doesn't put anyone in direct physical harm.

 

So what if I can get a game for free, or someone else can simply download a game I just paid fifty bucks for. It doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe because I'm from the Bronx and we all think like criminals there that this is ok with me.

 

It is illegal to distribute games through P2P software and thus avoid the unfortunate amount of money you have to pay the developers - when they get no money, they can't make new games and soon you'll find yourself without entertainment.

 

I have never needed to get Kazaa or anything like that. If I want a game, then I go buy it. But if I was broke, I would go d/l games, game companies wouldn't be gettng my money anyways. Besides, they jack up the prices of games so high that most of the time they make their money back in a month.

 

And, you do know that burning copies of whole games is illegal,right? I could get your friend and you into trouble if you dont learn not to use warez...

 

What are you for real or what? You gotta be kidding me.

 

 

Anyways...I think this whole Kazaa thing is blown way out of proportion.

[Kstar__2]

it got two sides:

 

we are all saying it's bad

 

but

 

we are all using it.

 

i just don't know....

[ckcsaber]

It IS bad. But many things are. I for one do not use P2P software, because I feel I cheated the ppl who put hard work into a product and don't get anything from it.

[Pad]

its actually real crap u get with kazaa like virusses, spyware,...

and think about this: the more u download => less money to game developers => company goes broke => no games developed anymore. more games developed for non copyble consoles and we r left in the cold as pc users.

or this: we r all talkin about downloading jk2 from kazaa and some1 from raven comes in here. i think it wouldnt take long before this place became closed.

if u wanne use it be my guest, but think about the consequences.

[C'jais]

This isn't america, europe or mongolia - this is a message board owned by a company. They can enforce whatever rules they want here, and we can't do anything about it.

 

Now, the reason game prices are so ridiculously high (they are, I agree) is because of piracy - they have to get their money back one way or the other, if that means it hurts the decent people. Believe what you want, the poor programmers aren't stinking rich for doing their business, and most of the money end up in the publisher's pocket.

 

 

Oh well, Padanime said it already dammit...

[Kylilin]

Originally posted by Padanime

we r all talkin about downloading jk2 from kazaa and some1 from raven comes in here. i think it wouldnt take long before this place became closed.

if u wanne use it be my guest, but think about the consequences.

 

 

Now that is the info I needed to know, my whole reason for this tread was to find out why it was bad to meantion peer to peer file sharing programs in these forums. I forgot that this place is frequented by employers of Ravan software. Thanks, Paddy.

 

Even though I won't mention it here anymore, nor do I own software anything like kazaa or morpheous, or any P2P software, although I did have napster back in the day. I still don't see a problem with it. But, thats my opinion.

[Boba Rhett]

It's all about covering our asses. We don't want to get anyone upset over anything such as that. Not just the kindly Raven folks.

[Kylilin]

I gotcha Rhett, I just didn't want to cause a flame war or anything.

[Datheus]

Originally posted by Cjais

This isn't america, europe or mongolia - this is a message board owned by a company. They can enforce whatever rules they want here, and we can't do anything about it.

 

Now, the reason game prices are so ridiculously high (they are, I agree) is because of piracy - they have to get their money back one way or the other, if that means it hurts the decent people. Believe what you want, the poor programmers aren't stinking rich for doing their business, and most of the money end up in the publisher's pocket.

 

 

Oh well, Padanime said it already dammit...

 

First, I've heard that they really don't loose all that much income to piracy... Selling games isn't there only source of income... besides... if they loose so bad to piracy, why is it such a pain to find the good games in stock?

 

Second, it's simple economics. They'd make more money if they'd lower the price. If games were half the price of what they are, I certainly wouldn't want to waste 2 days trying to download a game. I mean, it's luck to a game to download over 20 KBps, and even MORE luck for that game to continue downloading. And then it's frustrating when you get the game it's not even that game you thought you wre downloading. I would never want to go through all that trouble and crap when I could just go the buy the game. I'm damned lazy.

 

I mean... if you can only sell one game at $50 dollars... wouldn't it make more sense to sell THREE games at $20 dollars? Piracy is truely our only weapon against greedy companies. The government won't do anything about it.

 

 

-edit- But more on the subject... It's somewhat annoying... but I can understand why you'd guys would want to cover your asses It's foolish that you have to though. I don't get in trouble for saying I'm going to kill someone, why can't I say I'm going to go download the Doom3 alpha, you know?

[obi]

I've said it many times, Kazaa isn't illegal. It's just that you can get illegal things from it.

 

Downlading, say, a game demo, is not bad. Downloading the game itself is.

[ZBomber]

Originally posted by Cjais

This isn't america, europe or mongolia - this is a message board owned by a company. They can enforce whatever rules they want here, and we can't do anything about it.

 

We could threaten to kill them.

 

 

J/K!!!!

 

I don't have Kazza.\, and I could care less what any of you do with it.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by obi-wan13

I've said it many times, Kazaa isn't illegal.

 

Yes but these hypocrits like to pretend they don't download anything because its bad. Or maybe they are misguided and actually feel some sort of moral responsibilty towards large companies.

 

Let me ask all you happy people that want to tell us about how game pricing is related to P2P software....

 

How many Economics classes have you taken in college? Any of you have a degree in it? Perhaps some of you are Finance majors? Anything?

 

Well when you can answer yes to the above questions then please be sure to tell us all "how it works" until then just be quiet.

[Mex]

I dont use kazaa, ive only used it once, [when I first had my pc] to look at a music video for my sister!

 

:tsk: If game publishers know that Kazaa exists, why dont they track the people down actually putting the games up for download? :tsk:

[C'jais]

Originally posted by FatalStrike

How many Economics classes have you taken in college? Any of you have a degree in it? Perhaps some of you are Finance majors? Anything?

 

Well when you can answer yes to the above questions then please be sure to tell us all "how it works" until then just be quiet.

 

Fatalstrike, please don't be so dominating.

[obi]

Originally posted by Abarath

why dont they track the people down actually putting the games up for download? :tsk:

 

Good idea. Problem is, too many do it. It would take over a decade to find these people.

 

Even when they start the hunt, people will get wind of it, and instantly delete their stuff, making impossible.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by Cjais

 

Fatalstrike, please don't be so dominating.

 

 

Sorry but I hate the fact that people state things as being fact when they haven't a clue. I was a finance major for almost 3 years before I changed to a more technical field.

 

I can tell you folks the industry has been robbing you for years.

 

One example:

 

When CD's were released for the first time they cost $18 to a cassette tapes $8. When asked why the industry replied CD's are new a fairly difficult to make.

 

Years went by...

 

The CD cases have gotten smaller and CD's are now dirt cheap. Price? The Same.

 

What this means? That the industry got away with a 100% price increase that did not follow the market patern.

Transaltion: They robbed you.

 

So please don't try to make the large companies that produce games, music, etc. victims.

[C'jais]

Good point Fatal.

 

Oh, I didn't make large companies the victims - the developers are. As far as I've heard, most of the money is grabbed by the middle man, both in this business and the music one too. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The problem, as I'm concerned, is that while the music business can cut out the middleman, the game business cannot - as games need a different kind of marketing, production etc. I'm not sure though.

 

What do you people suggest?

[<Im Yo Pusha>]

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[obi]

Strom, word of warning, don't post that message, or things realted to it, again.

 

[Bilbo Skywalker]

I use it for a few reasons, to broaden my base of bands i listen to, i will dload one or two songs of their's, if i like it then i will BUY the album in a shop. If i don't like it, then I wont, no-one loses out.

 

Movies: I only dload movies that I have been to see, so i can rewatch them to pick up on little things i may have missed, and generally if its good enough to download, then I'll buy it anyway, so the comoanies arent losing money from me.

 

Never downloaded anygames, i only buy pc games once every 2-3 months or so, and I'd rather go buy it, get the insructions and not have to worry about no-cd cracks or duff files etc.

 

I have also very specific words in my filter, because before when trying to dload some video footage of a band, it was actually pornography. They rename files, but the description is usually accurate to what the file really is, so beware of this and put any words into your filter that you dont wanna end up with.

[-s/<itzo-]

kazaa's my buddy.

 

thats were i get most my songs & anime from. i'm saving big bucks dude.

[Surfnshannon]

Kazaa is evil. It gives you viruses! I do like to use it though to get add ons to my games. I don't think that's illegal. It is true I am getting really annoyed by some cds. I own over 250 cds okay (some investment) the one thing I'm getting REALLY burned on is buying a CD and finding out it has one song outta 10 that actually is good. The rest of the songs are CRAP! And you spend what $13 or more dollars on the thing?? I like going to virgin records to preview my music on their head phones. Although they are too high on their cds - make a run to Target. And as far as "previewing games" well...I think that more developers should put out demos! And the movies....WAY OVER PRICED. To go to the movies its what 8 dollars for a matinee?? No wonder people are resorting to piracy. I understand the price hikes are because of piracy. But...I mean...have you ever watched the illegally dl movies...they look like crap. Go see the real thing or wait for the dvd! Even Star Wars was only like what 10 dollars some places! As far as video games for consoles go...that's why we have Blockbuster. Yeah it suxs to spend 50 bucks on a game to have it suck. But that's why I read reviews first. That's the game we play - kazaa should be no excuse as to "preview" something. That is such a lie....

[ShadowTemplar]

In my book it goes like this:

 

Laws must be obeyed.

 

Piracy is illigal.

 

Therefore piracy should not be conducted. End of story.

 

That said, though, I certainly don't pity the music companies. Even if they operated with small profit margins, I feel that they have made a blunder by using CDs. If they had used a medium that had been designed solely for music, instead of ripping off the computer hardware research, the control would have been much easier (ie: Ban the copying devices, which you can't do now, because ppl use them to make disk backups). With computer games, though, I can't see how it should be done.