C'jais Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Originally posted by ZDawg Its just as ignorant as believeing we poped into existence, or that we suddenly came from nothing to some cells and here we are... screw it, I dont want to aruge with you Cjais. But you will, when you post something like that. I'm starting to use bigger words now because you ignore whatever evidence we dig up, switch examples, and beat the same freakin' drum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 The real reason (coalesced particles by gravity) isn't as good as those in the thread. LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 the earth was created by a game developer known as God, it's the world that he put us on to play his game called 'Life', he tried to play the game he made, and got bad lag connections, when he died, it took him 3 days to respawn, so he said, 'well dying really sucks, so if you believe in me you won't die.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais I'm starting to use bigger words now because you ignore whatever evidence we dig up, switch examples, and beat the same freakin' drum. Your bigger words will not help your arugment. Switch examples? Dont act as if you dont jump around topic to make things lean your way. You give evidance, but the evidance consists of things that I donnot believe, so why should I think this "evidence" is truthful"? You dont believe In God, so evidence such as "I can now walk" (You know the story) doesnt mean jack to you. see my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiRtY $oUtH™ Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Let me explain this in the simplest way....the Earth was created by God, as was the universe. There could have been a big bang and if there was, it was caused by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic Jedi Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 the earth was created by a game developer known as God, it's the world that he put us on to play his game called 'Life', he tried to play the game he made, and got bad lag connections, when he died, it took him 3 days to respawn, so he said, 'well dying really sucks, so if you believe in me you won't die.' So you're saying that to God, we're like the Sims? Woah, cosmic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by ZDawg You give evidance, but the evidance consists of things that I donnot believe Okay, let's cut to the chase - which evidence specifically is it that you don't believe? The radioactive decay of isotopes? Fossil records? The laws of nature? Point it out. You dont believe In God, so evidence such as "I can now walk" (You know the story) doesnt mean jack to you. Again, you did the connection in that accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais Again, you did the connection in that accident. Once again. Its somthing you dont believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by ZDawg Once again. Its somthing you dont believe. Right. Ok. You win. I don't f*cking care about trudging around in the same murky topic for ages, throwing mud at each other for petty differences. Peyce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrin Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 It's unfortunate that you can't have a theoretical discussion of the origins of the universe without the religious people coming into the thread and bashing everything that doesn't fit their doctrine. If you want to star bashing okay, lets do it. All I see is that you ignore anything you don't understand and use the bible as your shield. We could use GOD to explain almost everything that occurs in nature instead of science to go the ignorant route. Is your religion the right religion? You know there are a dosen other religons out there with contradicting beliefs. These people will deny that your religion is not the TRUE religion and you are wrong. So why do you keep insisting on keeping your believes in religion? Maybe becuase you were brain washed since you first can remember to goto church and read the bible. There. I bashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Well, after all Christianity isn't even the largest followed religion in the world anyway. So on the basis of pure numbers I would say it's about 2, but most likely third.... So, in essence in the entire world it is not even the most accepted religion across the world, so it is a minority trying to tell us their way is true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 well, this is what i believe: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day. Rogue15 has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Everything in our dimension must have a beginning and end, but then how did the beginning begin? It's all very well and good to say that the universe is always collapsing and expanding out again, but there must have been that first expansion. I believe God is the root of all creation and all life, how that life came about doesn't really matter to me, whether God used the laws of gravity and physics, the laws of biology, and the theoretical laws of evolution--He created all of these things, and so His hand was in our creation. I don't take Genesis literally, but the scientific explanation, coming in the scientific vaccuum of the ancient world, would have been completely incomprehensible to our ancestors. And so God gave them a parable, like his Son used, and the moral of the story was that "I made everything". And I believe that's true, regardless of the method. What is a day to God? To him, a day could be a thousand years, and a thousand years but a day... or whatever, and personally, I don't think time proceeds at all for God in heaven. And however hundreds or thousands or billions of trillions of years it took for the Earth to come about from the first beginning and for man to appear on that Earth, it's all the same to Him, if not to us. God governs all things, God created all things... Rogue15's analogy of a game developer is apt. God made the rules for our benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Originally posted by Cedrin It's unfortunate that you can't have a theoretical discussion of the origins of the universe without the religious people coming into the thread and bashing everything that doesn't fit their doctrine. Really? 'Cause, as far as I can see, there's as many science types bashing religion as there are religious types bashing science Originally posted by Cedrin If you want to star bashing okay, lets do it. All I see is that you ignore anything you don't understand and use the bible as your shield. We could use GOD to explain almost everything that occurs in nature instead of science to go the ignorant route. You can use God to explain the basics of nature. I'm totally Christian and not a damn thing you say will change that. i think God may have started off the big bang and let it go from there. That thing with God telling each and every creature what it's supposed to do? No, I don't believe in that. There's a comprimise between religion and science. Originally posted by Cedrin Is your religion the right religion? You know there are a dosen other religons out there with contradicting beliefs. These people will deny that your religion is not the TRUE religion and you are wrong. There. I bashed. Yes, there are dozens of other religions out there and yes, they most likely say that mine is not correct. But you say that as if I care. All (or at least 99%) religions have the same basic, ideas, of a heaven, hell, god, and devil. Some religions, the devil is a bunch of demons that hang around and try to mess you up. The heaven is not an actual place but an enlightened state, or maybe you come back in a nother form to live life again if you've been good enough. If another religion says mine is wrong? Tough. I don't care. Yes I've been raised Catholic but I've also looked at the bible and studied other religions and I've made the choice to be Catholic. Anyway, this is getting off-topic. I believe God started off the big bang and let things work themselves out. As Jedi_Monk just stated (while I was writing this) there had to be the first expansion or collapse. And while science will explain every one that came after I've heard no explaination for the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carth Onassi Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 quote Origianally posted by Rogue15 -------------------------------------------------------------- 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. --------------------------------------------------------- so vegetation was made before sunlight. quote Originally posted by Jedi_Monk -------------------------------------------- What is a day to God? To him, a day could be a thousand years, and a thousand years but a day... or whatever, and personally, I don't think time proceeds at all for God in heaven. And however hundreds or thousands or billions of trillions of years it took for the Earth to come about from the first beginning and for man to appear on that Earth, it's all the same to Him, if not to us. --------------------------------------------------- If vegetation was made before sunlight and the next day took thousands of years to be made, wouldnt there be no life in the galaxy. plants need water and sunlight to live. you can try to disprove me. put a board/piece of wood over a patch of grass in your back yard or somewhere, and come back in 1-2 weeks. you'll see what no sunlight on grass can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 If vegetation was made before sunlight and the next day took thousands of years to be made, wouldnt there be no life in the galaxy. plants need water and sunlight to live. you can try to disprove me. put a board/piece of wood over a patch of grass in your back yard or somewhere, and come back in 1-2 weeks. you'll see what no sunlight on grass can do. See, if you'd have actually read my post thoroughly and not just jumped right on to bashing the Christian kid, you would have seen that I said that I do not interpret Genesis literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartDragon Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 as for science bashing religoin I won't explain coelesing gases from a supernova and molecules forming self replicating strands in hot pool in detail if you don't want me to. I never force others to listen to my views and I hate it when others expect me to believe in God /whatever just because I'm white and Engish (really hated assemblies) tell me what you believe and why but just don't expect me to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 If this is turning into a religious flame war then i'll get an admin to close it. Now lets just get back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 cha cha cha chia!!!! in other words, if you don't want my opinion, don't ****in ask for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 cha cha cha chia!!!! How unmature-like for a moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 sterotypical debater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 As long as you catholics "believe" in evolution, I'm not going to hound you. But, since there's no sensible reason to believe in God, why should we? If you remove God from the equation, nature will appear to work just fine without him. There have been no problems yet that could not be explained without God. If you remove God from everything, you'll end up with a universe that's self-consistent and that has all the rules and laws required to function on its own. Then tell me, why should I believe in him? Because it feels good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 if you made something, wouldn't you want it to acknowledge you in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 if you made something, wouldn't you want it to acknowledge you in some way? If I made something, I'd find it silly for my creation to acknowledge me if I had hidden in the farthest corner of the universe, doing nothing to make my presence known. I'd think they were foolish to acknowledge me that way, as they could just as easily acknowledge the local killer whale for creating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pnut_Man Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I read through the majority of this thread and I can say: It's another fing flame war between Religion and Science.. Seems like we can't have a normal conversation... Therefore: CLOSE THIS THREAD, END THIS BS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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