Anakin_Solo Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 this is the time i think the Allies are going to set of the end for Saddam Hussien. Mid January UN weapons inspectors will try and take out ALL or some of the scientists, these people if they do leave will tell of hidden bunkers, shops converted to makeshift plants. and by Febuary USA will then ask the UN to go to war. So sit back and watch it all happen on CNN. I do belive Iraq is trying to get nuclear weapons. and they have got the pyschology to give weapons to terrorists. But i would like to see the USA finger both Saudi arabia and Syria too. these countries help financialy these pathetic people... your views below.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Anakin_Solo and by Febuary USA will then ask the UN to go to war. And if the UN says no, based on the assumption that Iraq isn't a threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin_Solo Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 USA goes to war anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Anakin_Solo But i would like to see the USA finger both Saudi arabia and Syria too. these countries help financialy these pathetic people... That's very harsh I do belive Iraq is trying to get nuclear weapons. and they have got the pyschology to give weapons to terrorists. But why would you want to go to war because you belive they are getting nuclear? What if they haven't? Mid January UN weapons inspectors will try and take out ALL or some of the scientists, these people if they do leave will tell of hidden bunkers, shops converted to makeshift plants. How do you know they will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Personally, I think America should back the hell off. Bush is just looking for a war. Wants to be a goddamn hero like his daddy. Bush probably loved the Sept 11 attacks after they happened. gave him the oppurtinity to blow the hell out of some stuff. I hope for everyone's sake they just f-ing leave iraq and go home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Anakin_Solo USA goes to war anyway.... Big, fat stupid decision. It would fracture the UN - at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treacherous Mercenary Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er Personally, I think America should back the hell off. Bush is just looking for a war. Wants to be a goddamn hero like his daddy. Imo, Saddam should have been out of power a long time ago instead of having a General surrender for him in the first place.. We wouldn't have this problem at all. I do belive Iraq is trying to get nuclear weapons. and they have got the pyschology to give weapons to terrorists. I want to see proof for weapons of mass destruction before even taking any action at all.... If I don't see any proof and it's all just word, I won't be supporting the war at all. Imo, if America does start going to war once again, we should leave after getting Saddam and that's it for the so called threat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I personally would like to see Saddam removed from power... and replace his dictatorship with a better goverment... Thats because no matter what hes a threat to the usa... He may not be a nuclear threat but he sure is a threat to our most needed resource... fual... USA uses the most gas... middle east supplys it... with a mad man like Saddam in the middle east with gas we need and use does scare me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 i heard that sudamm hussan said they were difinetly going to war with the us and the same with president bush. i think we will go to war with north karea 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 you know what scares me the most they already have a DATE when the USA will attack, end january, now that troubles me, they already know when the war will start, that's just madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Camus I personally would like to see Saddam removed from power... and replace his dictatorship with a better goverment... Thats because no matter what hes a threat to the usa... He may not be a nuclear threat but he sure is a threat to our most needed resource... fual... USA uses the most gas... middle east supplys it... with a mad man like Saddam in the middle east with gas we need and use does scare me... The sad thing is that if the gas companies wouldn't buy the patents to new engine designs and car designs that would cut our gasoline consumption in less than half, and if other big businesses didn't buy the patents to other energy saving devices, then the middle-east's oil wouldn't be that big of a deal. And I am 100% against war with Iraq without out complete and total proof that they have weapons of mass destruction. And even then i won't support the war... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHobGoblin Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er Personally, I think America should back the hell off. Bush is just looking for a war. Wants to be a goddamn hero like his daddy. Bush probably loved the Sept 11 attacks after they happened. gave him the oppurtinity to blow the hell out of some stuff. I hope for everyone's sake they just f-ing leave iraq and go home.... If you don't want USA go to war then join Saddam and get yourself killed. You should watch a little thing called the news. Bush nearly cried on Sept 11 cuase of what happened. I was watching one of his speeches an then I could hear his voice getting tighter. Bush is trying to do whats best for this country but it seems some people are to good to be helped. I support Bush all the way. Some people act like children. This is the crap I have to stand up with Just becuase he is republican he don't know what's he doing. He is doing a bad job. Like I said before on a other thread If we had a democratic president and doing what Bush doing right now, no one would complain. Its really pisses me off I want to see these supporters of terroism go down. So quit bashing the president. I'm just glad we didn't have Al Gore as president:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by TheHobGoblin If you don't want USA go to war then join Saddam and get yourself killed. You should watch a little thing called the news. Bush nearly cried on Sept 11 cuase of what happened. I was watching one of his speeches an then I could hear his voice getting tighter. Bush is trying to do whats best for this country but it seems some people are to good to be helped. I support Bush all the way. Some people act like children. This is the crap I have to stand up with Just becuase he is republican he don't know what's he doing. He is doing a bad job. Like I said before on a other thread If we had a democratic president and doing what Bush doing right now, no one would complain. Its really pisses me off I want to see these supporters of terroism go down. So quit bashing the president. I'm just glad we didn't have Al Gore as president:mad: Well put... :S We would be in the same spot if Al Gore was president... :S so lets just close this thread before someone gets really really upset over all of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Sadly, this whole issue was obviously originally a scare tactic to make Iraq give up weapons of mass destruction (WOMD) R&D without a fight. Unfortunately, Iraq has called all our bluffs and we've gotta go in or we'll never have any pull with any other "bad" country again (including North Korea). We almost certainly have very good proof that he's still in that business. Do you really think that the Pres. would risk American lifes and his political career over something trivia as revenge?! I wouldn't be surprised if we act like we'll fight in feb/march and then strike much sooner to grab his possible WOMDs before they can hit Israel with them (the real issue here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroXcape Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 it's ridiculous how people act as though they feel sorry for the government of Iraq and try to continually make excuses for their behavior. as for the al gore comment, if he was elected president... the US would still be debating whether to attack Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I agree. There's no excuse for defending scum if you're simply an anti-war person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by TheHobGoblin Some people act like children. This is the crap I have to stand up with Just becuase he is republican he don't know what's he doing. He is doing a bad job. Like I said before on a other thread If we had a democratic president and doing what Bush doing right now, no one would complain. Its really pisses me off I want to see these supporters of terroism go down. So quit bashing the president. I'm just glad we didn't have Al Gore as president:mad: For your information, most of the people who disagree with the US war politics are from other countries, and none of those care about wether it is a decromat or republican who mongers for war, I bet some even don't know what the difference between democrats and republicans are. People here are mature and are bashing the politics of Bush and his goverment because they think it is wrong, don't come with that "they only says he does a bad job because he's a republican" stuff. We almost certainly have very good proof that he's still in that business. Really? They why won't you show it? Do you really think that the Pres. would risk American lifes and his political career over something trivia as revenge?! Yes, obviously. There's no excuse for defending scum if you're simply an anti-war person. No one here is defending scum. But a war can be avoided, and anti-war persons like me want to prevent such a horrible action. Surely, no one here likes wars? as for the al gore comment, if he was elected president... the US would still be debating whether to attack Afghanistan. The actions in Afghanistan was a failure, thousands of innocent lives have gone lost because of it, and the guilty are still free. So why would that be a bad thing? it's ridiculous how people act as though they feel sorry for the government of Iraq and try to continually make excuses for their behavior. Please come with real arguments instead of baseless and false accusations. Bush nearly cried on Sept 11 cuase of what happened. I was watching one of his speeches an then I could hear his voice getting tighter. But how come he didn't cry for all the people who died because he and his republican friends still allows guns? How come he didn't cry for the people he made sure of was executed, and later was found that they were innocent? And BTW, evil does not exist, the whole idea behind evilness is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 "Every war ends in negotiation anyway, so why don't we just skip the war?" - Nelson Mandela Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn The actions in Afghanistan was a failure, thousands of innocent lives have gone lost because of it, and the guilty are still free. So why would that be a bad thing? The Taleban would still be in power... For one thing. Besides, when the defenders in a war choose to hide behind the civilians, then civilians get hurt. But aknowledging that because someone is holding an entire population hostage he should not be combatted would seem to encourage such uncivilised behavior. Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn And BTW, evil does not exist, the whole idea behind evilness is wrong. I agree with that. Good and evil, as absolutes, are invented to justify the actions of those who claim to be championing one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 JM Qui-Gon Jinn why do sit here and pick and prod at the USA??? Why dont you go find problems with other countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Camus JM Qui-Gon Jinn why do sit here and pick and prod at the USA??? Why dont you go find problems with other countries... The US is kinda the only superpower left... And besides they are the most vocal advocates of WAR with Iraq, which is kinda the thread title... Well if you really want to hear my opinion on this war/not war: If all the priests in the world had the common decency to drop dead and erase all memory of their presence and their work in the process, 90% of the world's current problems would be solved or at least repairable... In short: Educate the populace. If someone starts bashing you over the head with a holy book, shoot him dead. If someone starts bashing you over the head with his desire to keep his own personal, despotic power, shoot him dead. But this is utopian, I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Camus JM Qui-Gon Jinn why do sit here and pick and prod at the USA??? Why dont you go find problems with other countries... Well, for one thing, have you seen any other countries warmongering lately? I do not bash the US, I don't really mind the people, at least not most of them, I actually have relatives in US. What I do is stating my opinions of the US goverment's foreign politics, and I think those are rather wrong. Of course, there are other countries who have bad foreign politics, but none with the power of the US and the responsability that comes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well I dont think the USA is really warmongoling... USA is one of three super powers... :S The only way we can be a super power is threw resources... true??? what happens with our most valued resorce runs out??? we have to buy it from others... No big deal you say... well not only are we the strongest we also use the most fossil fuel... so what do we do when we are out of it... buy it from those that have the most... hence enters the middle east... Where they got plenty of it... we buy from them... only problem is... there are people out there that have firepower and know the only true way to stop a super power... take out there most valued resoure supply... gassoline... with out it our jets dont fly... or boats dont move neither do our cars... :S true we are trying our hardest to make other means of energy... but that takes time... as you can tell... Saddam is going to take over the middle east oil fields sooner or later... I would much rather stop him before he starts... true war isnt right... but how do you stop a greedy dictator??? and keep the USA buying cheap gas??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Camus USA is one of three super powers... The other two being? Not China or Russia, that's for sure... Originally posted by Camus true we are trying our hardest to make other means of energy... but that takes time... as you can tell... False... and true. Too much money is on the line for too many influential lobbyists for the american government to do anything serious about it. True, it takes time, which is why I, in general, do not support the "you could just develop your way out of it" rethoric. Originally posted by Camus Saddam is going to take over the middle east oil fields sooner or later... He certainly wants to, sure as sure, but heey, who doesn't, so what's new to this... Besides, if he tries he'll get his butt fried for free, and we won't even have to risk our soldiers for it. Originally posted by Camus true war isnt right... but how do you stop a greedy dictator??? and keep the USA buying cheap gas??? You know: If I knew that, I would have a Nobel Peace Prize headed my way one of these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 It should be noted that there are many reasonable reasons why we don't reveal what we know about Iraq's WOMDs. 1. We don't want to make Iraq strike first. If Iraq has WOMDs and Saddam feels truely, directly threatened he has nothing to loss by using WOMDs to strike his "enemies". In this case, Israel (the US is simply too far away.) 2. Revealing the intel could impair our ability to continue this route of intel. If we know thru a spy, this spy could discovered and killed. 3. If we tell them where we know they have WOMDs, they could hid those weapons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Camus true we are trying our hardest to make other means of energy... but that takes time... Yeah, we try to develope energy saving means, and then when we do gas companies buy the patents to them and lock them in a safe somewhere so they don't get used. Why? Because they'll lose all kinds of money if gas isn't needed as much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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